Evolution vs. Creation vs. Intelligent Design

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Interesting idea, drugfeind. I think their genetic predispositions, origins in different cultural structures and different experiences in life have lead them to two completely different belief systems; they are both devout, they are both fierce in defense of said systems and they both find the other's reasoning inexplicable and nonsensical.

I've bowed out of this argument for now, largely because actual research and factual evidence wearies me. My arguments are usually based more around style, opportunism and (apparently) self-evident logic or facts.

In other words, I'm full of shit, but in a very dangerous way. At any rate, I commend all of you for your tenacity.

[Xon]

Ha ha... Nice neb... great honesty there...

And yes drugfiend, i believe you may have a point there...

[drugfeind]

thanks guys, i thought it was a good one.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Evolution is the only theory that Scientists can come up with to support life on earth. (It is a theory, so shut up)

Evolution is a scientific theory. A scientific theory is "a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable". To obtain this prestigious status, a theory must be confimable, or be capable of being tested by experiment or observation. You can say "its just a theory" all you want but there is a massive difference bewteen a theory and a scientific theory that you have failed to recognise.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl...tific%20theory

Okay, so, then this means that life evolved over billions of years and at this point, this is the state we are at. This would be a good theory if only one flaw in its logic. You have to have something to start with. For you to believe that the earth is billions of years old, then you have to admit it started somewhere. So where did it start. You say big bang. What caused the cause of the Big Bang. Then what caused that and so forth. If you can't understand my point, then don't even fucking reply.

I understand perfectly what you are saying, its just that what you are saying is wrong. The big bang theory and the theory of evolution are completely independent of one another, so stop grouping them together.

If you can't understand my point, then don't even fucking reply. So there is only one solution. It was created from no where. It had to be.

No, it didnt. It is perfectly plausabile that the universes entire matter has always been here. Just because the very beginning of the universe is unexplainable you seem to think the only logical explanation is a supernatural diety creating the entire universe from nothing?

Didnt you say you cannot create something from nothing? Well how could God of done this?

But, why, if something was created, did it have to start at the very very beginning? Well, it doesn't. If something was created, then it could start at any point in its possible career.

That doesnt make sense. When something is created that is when it "starts" the fact that it could of been created anytime is irrelevant.

See, scientists are builders. They think, if something is around, it had to be 'built'. It had to come from this or that. But that isn't true. Nature itself is the proof to this. A seed has DNA that comes from a parent. It isn't built from scratch. No, it is passed down by the parent.

And your point is?

Yes it is... Nice try though

The earth is not a closed system, and the law of entropy is not an issue in evolution.

However, if you think it is then maybe you should actually post something of substance backed by evidence instead of trying to dimiss the entire argument with a shitty one sentance reply because you know you are wrong.

Ha ha ha... and your ability to not see my side shows how completely closed off you are to this. Otherwise, you would see how foolish your last statement is.

As for the reason we can't say "all the matter present in the universe may have always existed" is because that defeats logic, thus proving that your idea of evolution is just as illogical as my idea of a God creating this world.

You honestly are an idiot Xon. You do not deserve to keep throwing around the word "logic" because you have no clear understanding of its meaning.

At least you admit that the idea of creation is idiotic.

I am done with this conversation unless I see that you have opened your mind.

Go then, accept defeat and leave.

[Xon]

Go then, accept defeat and leave.

Ha ha ha ha ha....

Man, this never changes.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

It should. Honestly, the evidence for evolution is massive. I cannot understand how anyone who has given this subject an ioata of thought can still belive in creation as described in the bible. Biblical creation has been torn to shreds by the majority of the scientific community time and time again. It has no scienctific evidence for it. None. Same with intelligent design, which I admit, is the more plausible theory of the two but still equally invalid.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

[hdeuce]

Well TAUK, the old testament is more a series of parables, much like Mythology, which explain things that previously were unexplained, its the new testament that is supposed to be viewed as complete truth by christians. Anyway, I believe that intelligent design is just as plausible as any other theory about creation on earth, because it cant be proven, or disproven. As you have previously stated, we will probably never know how earth was created, and if by some miraculous event, we were able to find out how earth was created then we would still need to find out how the rest of the universe was created, and then the galaxy beyond that. I have theories of my own on how this world came about, but because the theories are my own, I invented them, I havent had time to become indoctrinated by them . Therefore whenever someone makes a logical argument against them, I can change them slightly to make them more relevant to the true situation. I believe that puts me a step above the atheist who believes god is an impossibilty, and a step above the christian that believes science is a lie.

[Xon]

It should. Honestly, the evidence for evolution is massive. I cannot understand how anyone who has given this subject an ioata of thought can still belive in creation as described in the bible. Biblical creation has been torn to shreds by the majority of the scientific community time and time again. It has no scienctific evidence for it. None. Same with intelligent design, which I admit, is the more plausible theory of the two but still equally invalid.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

And yet evolution has been torn apart too. Amazing how you can criticize someone for believing something that is "flawed" when you yourself believe in a flawed theory.

Stop acting like you fucking proved that evolution is true.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

And yet evolution has been torn apart too. Amazing how you can criticize someone for believing something that is "flawed" when you yourself believe in a flawed theory.

Evolution is not a flawed theory. It is as scientifically valid as gravity, which is accepted virtually world wide.

Stop acting like you fucking proved that evolution is true.

Evolution is true, I am merely showing you evidence it is and countering your statements that it isnt.

[Xon]

Evolution is a thawed theory because there are things that poke plenty of holes in it... and as anyone knows, something with holes can't hold water.