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    simple DXM extraction

    this is a simple one, once i can get onto the other site ill put the better one up but for now....

    Tussin Cough Syrup. basically a cough syrup where the only active ingredient is Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide (DXM HBr). Syrups containing Guaifenesin may also be used, but no other active ingredients should be present. Robitussin Dm worked fine for me, get the larger size for more product

    ammonia- Can be found in any grocery store as floor cleaner. Get only clear, non-sudsy ammonia. (will be labled as non-sudsy)

    Naphtha- This is a petroleum product professionaly used by woodworkers as a solvent and is an ingredient in lighter fluid. If there is a paint store near you, go there and buy VM&P Naphtha (Varnish Maker's & Painters). This is pure naphtha, and the best product to use. Zippo or Ronsonol lighter fluid also may be used, and worked fine for me.

    lemonon Juice- Realemon brand or generic equivalent . *Countrytime lemonade can be used in it's place if you are making agent lemon liquid, but lemon juice is required to make lemnot alloweds. See Lucidity's Simplified Method for details on how to use Countrytime.

    Glass Carafe or Pan- Yes, it has to be glass. Most grocery stores sell The Whistler for around $10.

    Ziplock Freezer Bags- or generic equivalent- get the big ones. Don't be cheap, get ziplock double zipper bags



    Large Glass Bottle- of grapefruit juice. Drinking grapefruit juice before taking DXM helps inhibit the enzyme that converts DXM to DXO, which means your trip should be enhanced. You will use the bottle to shake your mixture, so make sure you get the largest bottle you can find, and make sure it is glass.

    Glass Jar- about the size of a pasta sauce jar. make sure it is clean!

    Scissors

    A Stove or microwave. See Lucidity's Simplified Method for details on how to use a microwave instead of a stove, but for our method, we use a stove.

    -Additional Materials Needed to Make Lemnot alloweds-

    Gelatin Capsules- can be purchased online or at many health food stores, or you can buy a suppliment that comes in capsule form and dump out the powder inside to use the caps.

    Plastic Drinking Straw- regular-sized straw.

    -INSTRUCTIONS-

    Step 1. Extracting the DXM from the Cough Syrup

    Take your clean, empty glass grapefruit juice bottle and pour your tussin syrup inside. Add to it an equal amount of ammonia. No need to be exact, just eye it. Put the lid on the bottle and shake that mixture vigorously for about 3 minutes. The DXM molecules have now been bound to the ammonia molecules.

    Step 2. Extracting the DXM from the Ammonia

    Open your bottle back up and add some naphtha. Use about 1/10 the amount of Naphtha to the amount of liquid that is currently in the bottle, usually around a quarter to half inch of naphtha. Put the lid back on and shake that mixture for 6 minutes. The naphtha has seperated the DXM from the ammonia, and the DXM molecules are now bound to the naphtha's.

    Step 3. Seperation #1

    After you are done shaking your mixture, pour what you have in your bottle into a Ziplock freezer bag, and hang it up using thumbtacks. You should see your product begin to seperate almost immediately, and after 5 minutes it should look like this:

    The clear top layer is your naphtha layer which contains the DXM. The bottom layer is your ammonia/syrup layer which you will discard. If using a Guaifenesin-containing syrup, you might experience a bubbly, oily layer between your naphtha and ammonia layers. If this happens, just wait an extra 5 minutes for those bubbles to settle.

    Step 4. Draining your Product

    Make sure you are outside or in a well-ventilated room and have your bottle and jar handy. Carefully take down your bag and hold it by one corner. Hold the bottom corner of your bag over the mouth of your bottle, and with your scissors snip a tiny hole in the corner of your bag so the bottom layer slowly drains into your bottle. When your naptha layer gets close, get ready to pinch the opening of the bag. make sure every last bit of red stuff drains, and when a tiny bit of naphtha leaks out, pinch the bag shut and drain the rest of it into your glass jar. Inspect your naphtha in the jar for little red bubbles. You want to make sure there is no ammonia in your product because ammonia is toxic. If you see any bubbles in your product, dump the contents of your jar into a fresh Ziplock bag and hang it up for a few minutes. The bubbles will now have settled into the bottom corner of your bag, which you can snip and drain. Now empty your naphtha back into your jar.

    Step 5. Extracting the DXM from the Naphtha

    Grab your jar and your lemon juice, and add an equal amount of lemon juice as you have naphtha into the jar. Put the lid on your jar and shake that mixture vigorously for 6 minutes. The lemon juice has now unbound the DXM molecules from the naphtha's.

    Step 6. Seperation #2

    When you are done shaking your naphtha/lemon juice mixture, take a fresh Ziplock bag and pour the contents of your jar into it. Hang the bag by it's corner. If you are making agent lemon and have chosen to use Lucidity's Countrytime Method, the seperation should take about 15 minutes. If you are making lemnot alloweds or have used lemon juice, the seperation usually takes 45 minutes to an hour. Leave the product to seperate for at least 45 min in this case. Your seperation should look like this:

    Now the lemon juice has seperated from the naphtha, and your DXM/lemon juice product is the bottom layer while the naptha layer, which you will discard, is on top.



    **note: some experience cloudyness or foaming in their product especially when using lighter fluid instead of pure naphtha, which makes the seperation look more like this-

    If your seperation looks like this, don't worry - it's still usable. It is just harder to distinguish between the layers because the seperation is so faint . When you drain this in the next step, be sure to do it slowly and in a well-lit area so you can follow the seperation.

    Step 7. Draining your Product

    Ready your jar, which you should have washed and dried well, and your bottle. Place them side-by-side. Take your bag, and again snip a tiny hole in it's corner to allow the bottom lemon juice/DXM layer to drain slowly into your jar. As the naptha layer approaches, get ready to pinch the bag closed. When 99.9% of the bottom layer has drained into your jar, pinch the bag closed and empty the remaining naphtha layer into your bottle. The contents of the bottle should now be disposed of properly.

    Step 8. Boiling and Cooling your Mixture

    Take the contents of your jar and empty it into your glass pan or carafe. Put your pan on the stove and turn the heat on to just over medium-high. Let your lemon slowly come to a boil and watch it carefully. If you let it get too hot quickly, your lemon juice can come to a furious boil allowing some to splash out of your pan, and you don't want this to happen because you are losing DXM, so watch your product carefully as it boils. It is helpful to take the pan off the stove every minute or so, and swirl the mixture around by carefully shaking the pan in a circular motion- be careful not to spill! You should boil this mixture for at least 5 minutes to make agent lemon. Your liquid will evaporate down to a couple of ounces or so, but we recommend boiling your product down to about an ounce if you plan on drinking the agent lemon liquid. This stuff really tastes disgusting, so the less you have to drink, the better. If you are making Lemnot alloweds, go on to Step 9. If you are making Agent Lemon liquid to drink, proceed here - Drain what you have back into your cleaned jar, put the lid on, and hold the jar under a cold water faucet for a minute - this will help speed-up the cooling process, and you want to drink your agent lemon cold, there is less of a gag-reflex that way - place the jar in the ref*****rator for 15 minutes. Your product will look similar to this:

    Now you have made Agent Lemon! Just drink the mixture, and have a good trip! ) This is the best way to do it..... quicker than filling and dosing caps

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    Step 9. Boiling your Product

    When making Lemnot alloweds, the objective is to boil the liquid down to as little as possible - the less liquid you end up with, the less capsules you have to fill and swallow. So continue boiling and swirling your lemon until you have about a quarter-shotglass amount of liquid. The liquid will be dark-brown at this point - almost black, and it's consistancy will be thicker than that of agent lemon. Carefully drain what you can into your jar. Since the product is so thick at this point, some of it will remain stuck inside the pan. To get it out, squirt a small amount of lemon juice into the pan and swirl it around until it dissolves the goo from the sides of the pan and the lemon juice turns brown. Boil this down like you did the first time, although not as thick, and add it to what you have in the jar. Your pan should be pretty free of residual goo at this point, and you should have just enough liquid in your jar to about cover it's bottom (about half of the amount of liquid shown in the pics above). Put the lid on the jar, hold it under cold-running water for a minute, then let the product cool in the ref*****rator to for 15 minutes.


    Step 10. Preparing, Filling and Dropping your Capsules

    If you have empty capsules, wonderful. If you have purchased a suppliment in capsule form and intend to use the emptied capsules for your Lemnot alloweds, be sure the caps are well cleaned- out beforehand. This can be done with Q-Tips or some tissue twisted up into a point to get inside the cap. Set aside about 10 to 15 empty capsules, and get yourself 2 large glasses of cold water or orange juice. Grab your product from the f*****. It will be very thick at this point from being cold, so loosen it up and bring it to room temperature by running the jar under warm water for a minute. You want the product at room teperature because it is less thick that way, and it is not so warm that it dissolves the capsules immediately. Grab yor drinking straw, some tissues or paper towels, and set it all out with your empty capsules and water/oj. Get ready to dose!


    The liquid is very acidic, and will dissolve the capsules if left in them for longer than 45 seconds to a minute, so you will drop each cap as you fill them. Lay down your tissue/paper towels in front of you because you want them to be right there when you fill each cap. To fill the caps, take your straw and dip it into your liquid. Suck on the straw gently so you draw the liquid about one inch into the straw, and cover the sucking end of the straw with your finger so you create a vaccum, which makes the liquid stay in the straw. Keeping your finger on the end of the straw, slowly withdraw it from the jar and lightly tap it on the rim of the jar to shake off the excess at the tip. Grab a cap - the longer, male end of the cap - and insert the straw slightly. Release your finger, and the liquid will drain into the cap.

    Get the other end - the fatter, female end of the cap and join. Wipe the closed, filled cap well with your tissue so it is clean and dry, pop it into your mouth and wash it down. You are now dosing Lemnot alloweds! Keep on doing this until all your liquid is gone, which should be after dropping 10-15 caps. You are left with no bad taste whatsoever, little if any nausea, and a clean, happy trip!

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    are there any recomendations for dosing depending on how many people want to trip.. and precicly how big of a bottle of syrup should u use

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    one regular sized bottle will give you a strong trip, around here we really only have just one size

    not too sure about multiple people only made it for myself, but im guessing if you want it for more people, you could give half your yield to the other person, itll make your trip less strong if you trip at all, but if you want just have each person make there own.

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    we need more people like you where I live superflysuperwhite...

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    yeah no kidding dude

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    yeah im actually the person everyone goes to for drug info
    this is the other better but harder extraction

    This is an extraction tute for Australian users, from cough syrup, however it can be adjusted simply by working out how much DXM is in your syrup. If you have a different source, the same principle can be used, simply work it out yourself.

    Reactants:
    * 600ml Robitussin DX
    * 900ml Ammonium Hydroxide solution
    * 300ml Volatile non-polar solvent e.g xylene, toluene, ether
    * 50g Citric Acid
    * Distilled Water
    * Empty gelcaps
    * Icing Sugar
    * Dextrin or Lactose powder
    * Table Salt

    Equipment:

    * 2000ml solution bottles (sealable)
    * Seperatory funnel
    * Electric hotplate
    * General labware (graduated cylinder, beakers etc.)
    * Mortar and Pestle
    * OPTIONAL Vacuum evaporation rig
    Concept:
    Adding ammonia to DXM HBr converts it to freebase. Freebase is nonpolar and will dissolve in nonpolar solvent, in this case preferably xylene (for availability). Solvent is immiscible with water, so physically separate the layers. Acidify the nonpolar solvent which contains the freebase. The DXM converts back into the acid salt DXM Citrate. The hydrogen ion gradient just sucks the DXM across the solvent-water interface! Poetry in science! Solvent layer is seperated from citrate/water solution and discarded, and the DXM is now acid salt in the water. Remaining solvent can be driven off by gentle heating. Remainder is DXM Citrate in water solution, which is then concentrated and moderated with a binder, coloured and placed in gelcaps.

    Procedure:

    Note: First, prepare a solution of citric acid in 600ml distilled water and a few drops of food dye.


    1. Add 600ml (3 bottles) cough syrup to 2L solution bottle.
    2. Add 900ml ammonium hydroxide solution
    3. Shake it like a polaroid picture.
    4. Pour into second solution bottle.
    5. Add solvent and NaCl.
    6. Again with the shaking!
    7. Pour the mixture into seperatory funnel.
    8. Stand at least 30 mins.
    9. Drain the heavier water/ammonia/salt layer. Will be pink, or whichever colour your syrup was. Wash with extra solvent twice more, seperate solvent and recombine with 1st wash.
    10. Discard water layer, add equal volume water to solvent and seperate again. Do this about four times.
    11. Add citric acid solution.
    12. Really shake the hell out of it, about 5 minutes hard
    13. It takes a few minutes to separate. Wait. If you see froth or soapy sort of layer, wait for it to seperate out as well.
    14. Drain DXM citrate solution
    15. Gently heat the citrate solution in a pyrex beaker for a few minutes to drive off any remaining solvent. NO OPEN FLAMES!!!
    16. Bring the solution to 80*C, so water is steaming nicely, DO NOT EXCEED or you run the risk of denaturing your DXM and destroying all this work. Vacuum evaporation can be used, and is exteremely effective.
    17. Maintain temperature until you are left with either a thick syrup or a very small volume of water and precipitated xtals. This will take a while, but it can be done in small amounts. Do not evaporate by sunlight, as protracted UV exposure could destroy the DXM
    18. Weigh final mass.
    19. Measure out one capsule full of sugar and dextrin, or lactose (per 500mg of DXM citrate) into a mortar or watch glass
    19. Add a drop of your chosen food coloring and the concentrated syrup of citrate.
    20. Mix until it is all dissolved, and place in a dessicator for 12 Hours.
    21. Collect powder with a razorblade or five-cent piece
    22. Pestle-grind the powder and divide into individual 500mg doses (assume 5% loss from extraction)
    23. Seal in gelcaps, store in airtight browned glass container with silica gel.

    EXAMPLE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ie/pills01.jpg

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    wow thanks for the info im definately gonna try it ive also heard but havnt tried myself that if you dont like the taste of robitussin and u want to cap it up then u can dumop the tussin into a large glass dish and let it dry and it will crystallize but wont be pure...is this just a myth or does it actually work

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    couldnt tell you never tryed it, wouldnt waste my time though, i usually just take robo gell caps, unless i have the time to do this stuff

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    I'd rather not make a completely new topic, so I'll just post it here: I'm a DXM user -- but should be more careful. I take Coricidin Cough & Cold ... 240mg last time of DXM. Of course, it also contains Guaifenesin. Why is it recommended not to take CCC? I don't know much about Guaifenesin or its effects.

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