Creation theory explains them all actually. God created us and shaped us in his image and we then adapted to the state we are in now due to to the environment.

Maybe your asking the wrong question. Maybe it was always here.

Honestly, you astound me sometimes. Scientific methods are not opinion based. It doesnt matter what a scientist wants to be true, his methods of finding the truth are universal. You see what you want to see, you obviously have a predisposed mistrust of science and scientists.

You are wrong, again. I will try to make this very clear to you since you seem to have some difficulty understanding this. The theory of evolution explains only how our planet is so biologically diverse, or simply, why there are so many different species on our planet. You seem to think that the theory of evolution covers the start of life itself, or the start of the universe when it doesn't.

Regarding the beginning, not a soul on this planet knows what was before the big bang. Nobody.

The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy, a measure of randomness, cannot decrease in a isolated system. Our planet is not a isolated system.

There are longer ways of saying the same thing and here is that argument again, in lots more detail.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2..._evolution.php
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-...ns.html#thermo
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html

Look again at what you wrote ... So what created God? (assuming he exists) You have said it yourself in plain english that nothing can be created. So if nothing can be created from nothing then God must have always existed? I guess thats your logic right?

Well why cannot this be the same for matter? Whats to say that all the matter present in the universe may have always existed?

Your ignorance astounds me.

TAUK you put up a good argument dude

ha, I am actually curious to see what he replys with.

Nothing physical can be created, God is spiritual. Spiritual facts cannot be explained by science because science does not dictate laws of the spiritual realm, only laws of the physical.

Actually, I don't have a predisposed mistrust of science. If you honestly believe that, then you should see my dad. (And to be honest with you, I fight with my dad all the time about how the laws of science are true, yada yada...)

And actually, yes, many scientific methods are opinion based.

Let me explain this a different way since you don't seem to comprehend what I am getting at.

Will you at least give me, that something can not be created out of nothing?

If you say no, don't read the rest of this. If yes, then:

Evolution is the only theory that Scientists can come up with to support life on earth. (It is a theory, so shut up) Okay, so, then this means that life evolved over billions of years and at this point, this is the state we are at. This would be a good theory if only one flaw in its logic. You have to have something to start with. For you to believe that the earth is billions of years old, then you have to admit it started somewhere. So where did it start. You say big bang. What caused the cause of the Big Bang. Then what caused that and so forth. If you can't understand my point, then don't even fucking reply. So there is only one solution. It was created from no where. It had to be...

But, why, if something was created, did it have to start at the very very beginning? Well, it doesn't. If something was created, then it could start at any point in its possible career. See, scientists are builders. They think, if something is around, it had to be 'built'. It had to come from this or that. But that isn't true. Nature itself is the proof to this. A seed has DNA that comes from a parent. It isn't built from scratch. No, it is passed down by the parent.

Anyway, I know that at this point, you wouldn't have lost all train of thought at what I was pointing at, or your mind will have shut off acceptance by now, so it is no point talking farther.

To prove it, you can't even see my next point. If you can, then post it and I will be willing to continue.

Yes it is... Nice try though

Ha ha ha... and your ability to not see my side shows how completely closed off you are to this. Otherwise, you would see how foolish your last statement is.

As for the reason we can't say "all the matter present in the universe may have always existed" is because that defeats logic, thus proving that your idea of evolution is just as illogical as my idea of a God creating this world.

I am done with this conversation unless I see that you have opened your mind.

To every wise statement there is an equally wise one contradicting it. This reminds me of you two and your arguement. both of you im assuming have polar opposite opinions, or your opinions are extre***y close and they cross over causing this friction between you. lol

Interesting idea, drugfeind. I think their genetic predispositions, origins in different cultural structures and different experiences in life have lead them to two completely different belief systems; they are both devout, they are both fierce in defense of said systems and they both find the other's reasoning inexplicable and nonsensical.

I've bowed out of this argument for now, largely because actual research and factual evidence wearies me. My arguments are usually based more around style, opportunism and (apparently) self-evident logic or facts.

In other words, I'm full of shit, but in a very dangerous way. At any rate, I commend all of you for your tenacity.

Ha ha... Nice neb... great honesty there...

And yes drugfiend, i believe you may have a point there...