Where do you think punk started, and where is it going (or is it gone???). O.K, remeber, anyone who thinks punk is about the "Sound" is a moron. I mean, i set this up to discuss non-conformist music, not fucking capitalist pigs like good charlette who ae apparently punk because they sound fucking "agressive". Yeah, Just agressive enough to sell!. pop punk is NON-EXISTANT! THERE IS NO SUCH THING! alrght, let the fucking posts begin, cunts!

Your a moron for thinking its not about the sound.

If it didn't sound like fucking punk it wouldn't be punk.

Idiot.

punk was killed a few years ago by good charette, fallout boy, green day's newer cds, and a bunch of other bands like that. Nowdays any rich white kid that can sing in an abnormally high tone is a "punk" legend

origin? could go all the way back to mid 50's rock, and rockabilly, but it became a true genre in the 70s.

and it kinda is about sound. Loud, Fast, and offensive. not all songs of corse. but not all punk is about the same shit, you have bands like the misfits who really sing about nothing really just abunch of horror shit, then bands like anti-flag or the krays who are pro-democracy and political change, then bands like leftover crack who do the anarchist thing.
so yea like all music, it is defined by sound.

and "non-conformist" music *rolls eyes* jesus christ, Lets non-conform with everyone else.

wheres it going? theres still some real punk bands out there thant arent doing the whole emo trend and shitty popy political shit (not to be confused with actual political punk)

but im pretty sure it got a final kick in the pants when G.G. allin died, there really hasnt been any like outstanding true punk bands since then. except for pop punk.

and yes there is "pop-punk" what would you call the vandals or the offspring?

and the post above me "high tone" aparently you've never heard of harcore, i mean real hardcore, F-Minus, Social Distortion, G.G. Allin. and not just hardcore, Clit-45, rancid, lars fredricson.

My Point is, Pop is an igorant for of music, punk is opposed to ignorance, therefore, the two are incompatible.

how is it an ignorant form of music?

and trust me if ignorance is what you base pop on, do you relieze how many "real" punk bands have unbalieveably ignorant songs and shit?

and i dont really know what you mean by "pop" but pop-punk is usually like the more upbeat bratty goofy shit like, guttermouth, the vandals, old blink 182 and sum 41. also its whatever has a really big fan base, like is popular even in the mainstream. which doesnt nesisarilly mean sellout.

I just dont like pop. Even if it is the all-time most non-ignorant music that ever existed, it still sucks.

Its an ignorant orm of music because it disstracts people from real issues, and instead wraps them up in superficial issues like their hair.

It's true. Where are pop's values? Money? Fancy cars? All they do is sing about relationships. A few songs like that are okay, but every song is about some half-assed emotion or relationship. At least punk is fundamentally populous, and anti-corporate. Name the underlying themes in other music genres, and they just don't seem as relevant to me. As for the origin of punk, that question is nearly impossible to answer, because you can just keep going back.

FUCK YEAH! thats what i have been trying to say man. Pop and similar genres simply encourage political and social apathy, and the status quo continues....