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Old January 17th, 2008   #1
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i believe in hedonism within the confines of the law.
why?
becase the mayans were correct in their predictions. we will die very soon.
WWIII is near. our ozone layer cannot repair itse;f as quickly as we deplete it.
so many reasons...which will be the catalyst of the apocalypse?
no one knows for sure. but it is inevitable. the world had died before and it will die again. the only equality is in a tribal society. humans are not willing to sacrifice their luxuries.
we are selfish and it is our downfall.
our sociological niche is to go with the ebb and flow and grow as a whole.
why do you think abortion is still legal?
why are cigarettes still legal?
why does a person with bi polar disorder (who is most likely suicidal) need to be off thier meds for over a year w/o incidents to qualify for health insurance? because it's a pre-existing disorder? ha bullshit. made up word. these things target straggelers: the weak-minded, the poor, the minorities. they (and i myself obviously) are of no use to society as w hole. no one gives a fuck about individuals
face it you go to school, get a job, get loans, credit all that shit....to feed the economy and to ultimately pay for your own funeral.
yes im mildyl tipsy.
but its true. i am not blind, these are not secrets, they are right in front of you. just look around.
do you know what caused the great depression? it was based solely on the fact that people withdrew money from the banks...which in turn caused the economy to plummet...there was no money from which to borrow.
and this fear that caused this to happn was devoloped by rockefeller(oil) among many other corporations who had influence over the media.
corporations.
why/
why did the germans accept hitler as their leader? they were desperate.
its all done to sway to vote and to creazte unity within the nation.
the united states.
whats also interesting is the elctoral college and the fact that just because a presidents wins by popular vote, does not mean he will get into office. it has happened.
we're too late to change anything. we're blinded by greed. none of us our innocent.
i smoke cigs....releasing methane into our atmosphefre...but then agin, the cigs i smoke in a lifetime will not exceed the amount of methane produced by............
cattle. yes cattle.
so don't blame me, im vegetarian.
yes, humans are omnivores- just look at our teeth, no one can argue with that.
yes, animals kill other animals....but animals do not keep large amounts, even surplus amounts of other animals in captivity w/ shitty condistions and then slaughter them on an assembly line.
the assembly line was created to increase the efficeincy of car manufacturiing....interesting that we now use it to kill.
barbaric. emotionless.
what kind of perspn would work at a sluahgter house? sick people who like abusing animals...therefore its no surprise that workers don't always follow the humane sluahgter rules set forth. making it even more barbaric.
i have no problem with hunting, since we have eliminated many natural enemies of deer and the like, they would starve anyway. i will still not eat the meat though, mainly because i stand by my vegetarianism, not b/c i really disagree with it.
but if eating animals is what we're meant to do, but we can live without meat (as i do) and we have the ability to reason (supposedly) unlike other animals....then...why do we still eat them anywya? shouldnt we be smart enough to know that killing is wrong? thou shalt not kill, when did we become the wolves and not the shepards?
-socrates was vegetarian for this reason.

i'm hedonistic because the world is coming to an end and it had become blurry as to what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' very few things in this world are black and white. i can only know for sure what makes me feel good,,, what makes ME happy. so why not just go with the flow?
stop trying to be perfect. ther eis no perfection.
don't strive for equality, it does not exist.
even the golden rule has lost its meaning, isnt is the same as eye for an eye?
and besides...whats good for one person is not always good for another...
if you like chocolate chip cookies and your friend is allergic to them, is giving them chocolate chip cookies a nice thing to do??
its only once youve lost everything that youre free to do anything.
let go of inhibition. don't rationalize everything. this world is not rational. follow your heart because sometimes your eyes will lie.
we all just need to look out for ourselves....because everything else is just an illusion. the only things we know are real are what we can feel
the governemtn likes to create the illusion of happines...wealth...equality....etc.
corporations do it'
other people do it.
just live for yourself. live for today.'
because there may not be a tomorrow.
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Old January 17th, 2008   #2
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first of all, the Germans didn't just accept HItler out of mere desperation...no, 90% of it was out of his sheer speaking skills...Just imagine being there, the power he must of conveyed through words alone! If he could verbally manipulate an entire country to kill over 12 million people through words alone, imagine what kind of ability he must of had.
Second of all, I am against inhumane killing fo animals, but feel since the majority of the world eats meat, then we cannot stop eating meat. I rather wish we still had to hunt for our meals...At least then the prey would have a chance to get away...and then think...obesity would be halved because we'd have to hunt for our own meals....fat? Hungry? Get up off you ass and go hunting...."see you in a few days! Im off to get food for my family..." not just a trip to the grocery store.
and finally, I am a hedonist, too....But not for the end of days...I couldn't care less. I just enjoy the lifestyle of freedom.
by the way: the thread is very thought provoking, but I'm not joining an army.
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Old January 17th, 2008   #3
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"what kind of perspn would work at a sluahgter house? sick people who like abusing animals...therefore its no surprise that workers don't always follow the humane sluahgter"

Not everyone that works in a slaughterhouse likes their job - some only do it to pay the bills and because it is a necessary job that is required to in order to eat meat.

Don't get me wrong. I love my steak, but some people don't kill the animals in a "humane" way and thusly I don't buy from them and buy from farms that do kill the animals in a "humane" way.

"still eat them anywya? shouldnt we be smart enough to know that killing is wrong?"

Killing is wrong... but we all must die at some point in our lives. We are not immortal. Yes we can live and not eat animals, but that does not mean that it is wrong to eat that which must die anyways. If we were to let all the cattle and all the chickens go free, they would die. The only reason that they are still alive is because of us.

Not saying that factory farm chickens are good, because they are an abomination. Raising cattle for leather and meat, is justified, as we need the clothes and food, but only if they are treated correctly.

"if you like chocolate chip cookies and your friend is allergic to them, is giving them chocolate chip cookies a nice thing to do??"

It can be. If you did not know/forgot that he is allergic to them, then it would be a nice thing to do. If you know that the cookie will cause him harm, then no.

"why does a person with bi polar disorder (who is most likely suicidal) need to be off thier meds for over a year w/o incidents to qualify for health insurance? because it's a pre-existing disorder? ha bullshit. made up word. these things target straggelers: the weak-minded, the poor, the minorities. they (and i myself obviously) are of no use to society as w hole. no one gives a fuck about individuals"

That's pretty much just the USA. Go to almost any other country and you can get health insurance regardless of which medical conditions you have. (watch Sicko for proof if you do not wish to travel).

"stop trying to be perfect. ther eis no perfection.
don't strive for equality, it does not exist."

~shakes head~ You've been watching Fight Club too literarily. What this was supposed to mean is "Don't bother being perfect, it's a fools quest to think that you can be "perfect". Just be who you are and try to make yourself the best that you can possibly be."

Just because we cannot become truly equal (which on a long enough timeline you can come close enough to call it equality, even though we will probably die out before that) that does not mean that we should not bother trying to treat each other as equals.

"why did the germans accept hitler as their leader? they were desperate.
its all done to sway to vote and to creazte unity within the nation."

Less than half of the Germans actually voted for Hitler and most of the ones that did vote for Hitler were blind-sided by his true intentions. They only voted for him because he burned down the German parliament building (blaming it on his opponents) and because he was the only one that offered the people a solution. He (narrowly) passed laws that would make it so that the minority government (the government with more votes than the other groups [3-5 other main ones]) could pass any law they wanted. Not only that, but after Hitler passed those laws, he almost lost his seat of power. After that, he used fear to guide the hand on who to vote by using Gobbels to indoctrinate the masses.

"follow your heart because sometimes your eyes will lie."

And your heart can also be deceived, thusly walking blindly towards a lie. Use your mind and think instead of just going with your instincts.

"i can only know for sure what makes me feel good,,, what makes ME happy. so why not just go with the flow?"
"WWIII is near. our ozone layer cannot repair itse;f as quickly as we deplete it.
so many reasons...which will be the catalyst of the apocalypse?"

This just contradicts half of your first paragraph's argument.

If you like meat, and eating meat makes you happy, then why care about the cows or chickens? Why not just say "fuck them" and eat what ever the fuck you want? Same thing goes with smoking, saving the world, giving a shit about the environment, ect.

The main reason that there is going to be a WWIII and the reason why we are ass-raping our environment is because we are saying "Fuck them, I'm going to do what I want." You want to know what the catalyst is?

OUR FUCKING ATTITUDE!!!!

The only thing left up to time to decide is when and what will spark the powder keg.

louied, it would be nice if we could implement that (the hunting - I would actually love it), but we have killed all sentience in animals and the ones that actually can survive on their own are few in numbers.

Not only that, but 90%+ of humans would die off within a year. (not saying that this is a bad thing necessarily) but we would still be fucked because unless we fix the world (and it is still possible if we devote everything to the cause) the world will die (well most animals and plants, some may still survive).
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I agree with a lot of what Sionyx had to say.

We don't always kill animals inhumanely. People have to eat, anyway. You choose to be a vegetarian, I choose not to be. Also, there are lots of things you get from meat that you can't get from too many non-meat products. So while you can survive while being a vegetarian, it doesn't always mean that you're that healthy.

I do know that you made the point about the electoral college out-weighing the popular vote. That is changing. I've actually seen it on the news. Some states have already made it so that the popular vote is the deciding factor, and they said that other states are following in those footsteps too. So that's changing.
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I wanna start my own politiacal cult/army but I think I'm gonna need guns or something.
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Just talk really really nice to some of the members of this site and you will have a small militia's worth of guns in no time.

Then you just need to find enough people who know how to use guns to man all those guns.
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I know how to use guns...rifles and shotguns mostly...I have my own blackpowder pistol (its from 1850), a 30.06 rifle (can make a 3 mile shot), and a 20 gauge shotgun (can blast the shit out of anything)
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I'll respond to this in depth when I get back from canada... but until then, I have a question of my own.

Why the fuck is this bullshit in my forum?
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first of all, the Germans didn't just accept HItler out of mere desperation...no, 90% of it was out of his sheer speaking skills...Just imagine being there, the power he must of conveyed through words alone! If he could verbally manipulate an entire country to kill over 12 million people through words alone, imagine what kind of ability he must of had.
Second of all, I am against inhumane killing fo animals, but feel since the majority of the world eats meat, then we cannot stop eating meat. I rather wish we still had to hunt for our meals...At least then the prey would have a chance to get away...and then think...obesity would be halved because we'd have to hunt for our own meals....fat? Hungry? Get up off you ass and go hunting...."see you in a few days! Im off to get food for my family..." not just a trip to the grocery store.
and finally, I am a hedonist, too....But not for the end of days...I couldn't care less. I just enjoy the lifestyle of freedom.
by the way: the thread is very thought provoking, but I'm not joining an army.
agreed, didn't he actually have the balls to stand up at the podium for a whole minute (sat there and counted) just to get the audience on the edge of their seats?
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dude everything you're saying is bullshit from some stupid documentary you watched, or some lame web site thats full of bias bullshit.
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