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Envilid, if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation then don't say anything.

hmm...Your right. Once again your right becuz thats how you see the benifits of what i see as induced slavery. I guess you feel comfortable knowing that your watched monitored and tracked. I cant. That is not freedom in my mindset. But that is just me isnt is Kasnia. I see it from a bigger picture though. You may live in relative comfort at the moment but America the Land you trust is committing Genocide in other countries. The same people who watch you torture and kill innocents. They are more worried about money and control than anything else. You may see it as a benifit. This chip may have benifits yes i do agree, But do you see it from the bigger picture. Now may not be the time for revolution as you say. But once we are controlled like slaves under the complete control of those select few who dont give a fuck about you or anyone else. All they care about is the welfare of them and there familly, they revolve around greed. These same people allow the extraction of dangerous gases into the enviorment destroying our only place to live. They clear rainforests and all things wild and beautifull and in that place create things they can control. such as parks land that is owned by others. go around the city you live in and see the ugly place they have created for you to live in. What drives me the most crazy is the noise. the constant noise of traffic and the fucking smell. Do you see them trying to stop the rape of the earth. the destroying of life. all those animals you see endangered are not coming back kasnia. They will dissapear. All things wild and out of control of those who seek to control the world will be in there grasp. I cannot stand and see that future moulded for my children or yours.
Like is said that may not be right at this moment but its getting there. Slowly they gain control of travel money food clothes law everywhere you look. We will not be free anymore. And once we have that blessed chip installed into our bodys we will not have the chance to make a difference. They will watch our every movement. Satelites tracking us. No im sorry i cant understand how you would want a chip implanted into us. Did we enter the earth with a chip in us? No. That is man made control that brainwashed you into thinking the chip is the only solution to a world of peace.

Yes, I do feel comfortable being monitored. I don't normally do anything wrong, I don't have anything to worry about, so I'm perfectly okay with being constantly monitored. Besides, you don't need to have a chip in your hand to be monitored. You can always have someone/something watching you, and you'd have no idea. At least if they put a chip in your hand, you'd get a head's up. And I'm going to be the one looking at the bigger picture, because I don't think "What will/won't benefit me," I'm the person that thinks, "What will/won't benefit everyone." You don't want the chip in your hand, cut it off. Or just don't do anything wrong and you won't have anything to worry about.

Have you ever seen the movie "Equilibrium"? If you think a chip in your hand is bad, then watch that. Having a little chip in your hand won't seem so bad anymore.

Don't use the argument "We didn't enter Earth with a chip in us" as an argument. People who have had limbs amputated did not enter Earth with fake limbs, but they have them. What about people that donate blood, limbs, etc? Someone wasn't born with someone else's organs, but it helps. Just because we weren't born with it doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

And yes, in a perfect world we wouldn't have anything destroying anything. Forests would be abundant in plants, no animal would ever go extinct, etc. But no. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. Although, if you were really set on starting a revolution and you could stick with it, and decided that making the world more perfect is one thing you want to do, then get on it! Start the revolution. Spread the word. Tell everyone that you know and tell them to tell everyone they know. You're not going to get anything done by sitting around on the computer talking about it, you actually have to get out there and do something.

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Well honestly who ever created that movie and condoned the chip is probally in leige with the goverment. Anyway you asked me not to use that excuse. "We didn't enter Earth with a chip in us" .ok.
"And yes, in a perfect world we wouldn't have anything destroying anything."
True but i consider that a excuse. We cannot dismiss the destruction as a worldwide excuse. Of course we dont live in a perfect world. But that doesnt give us the reason to condone the destruction on the earth. I could say there are towns in afganistan that are bombed becuz they are rumored to support "weapons of mass destruction". But who cares!! Cuz the world isnt perfect anyway. An excuse. Dont be a hypocrit. And you say do something and stay off the computer, get off my ass and walk the walk. Im not going to stand up get a bullitin and write REVOLUTION and walk around and display it. or take a microphone and speak it. Becuz we both know that wont make change. Instead whoever speaks to me and gets to know me walks away with a purpose and a common goal. I am making an effort to display and speak the truth of where we live. What we choose to control us. Im only 1 person but i understand i have the capacity to change the course of the world, so do you. But im struggling to take the steps needed to make a change. They are not easy but at least i know what i have to do. Im not prepared to lead a revolution. To make people aware. Thats why i come to this site and write what i do. I want advice and i want debate. How else will i prepare myself for a peacefull revolution?

I'm split you both have good points. Exial i am sorry to tell you that these days we live in a gutless and godless society that doesnt really think it is a good idea to stand for anything unless it is for the most part too late or with the majority. Nobody really wants to be an indavidual, plus nobody wants to stand with an indavidual. Everyone is afraid to be crushed. So you are not wrong i really think the way you do and i am not afraid to stand alone.

Kasnia always a pleasure seeing the world from you view point, but this time i have to add something it isnt much about doing something wrong. I dont do too many worng things either wink wink, but i dont want to give anyone enough control over my movement to say where i am and when i am there that can hurt as much as help. Say somebody needed a scape goat and they found a way to copy your chip or you be in the area of a crime and the criminal found a way to make it look like they werent there only two chips where in that area at that time you and them. It could get worse if someone wanted to target you for any reason the chip is too personal.

Nobody needs to see that much of a persons personal information in one place. I am thinking the chip he is talking about is the one implanted under the skin with your medical history and financal information and tracker. I am in Telecommunications and even i really dont like how much information you can get from a basic cell phone. Trust me on that not cool!!!

You said nobody really wants to be an individual. One reason is simple. Example. i was walking around college one day and i was speaking to a group of friends and i had a interesting question. I asked the first guy are you normal? He said yes. I asked the second, he replyed the same. I asked 6 people who all replyed the same. So then i asked so you are all classified as normal. Are any of you individuals? The society we live in doesnt welcome individuality. Think about it if you dress different you are considered wierd. If you do things different or have a different view then the "General" people you are considered strange also. The system has categorized people in 2 categories, first you are like us "industrial servents" "normal" dont step off the path they have laid out for you. or you are different "head in the clouds" "wierdo" "failure". An individual is a person who is willing to think. To set aside what the general group thinks and actually think. Thinkers are threats. Threats, for if people became indivduals and didnt like what they were seeing they wouldnt allow it. They would make a stand. So you are either a follower or a leader. Leaders are individuals willing to think for themselves and provide for themselves. Im an individual. So yes i do agree with you on that people are afraid of being individuals becuz they are soo wrung up on being normal "accepted". But not everyone is afraid defcon.

When I was telling you to take a stand and be serious about this Revolution, I wasn't trying to be a dick about it. I was being serious. I was trying to give you words of encouragement. If you're wanting to change the world and make it a better place, then I say go for it. I'd totally support you or anyone else's decision in making the world better.

Have you even watched the movie Equilibrium? It's not about putting a chip in someone. Basically, everyone (government, I'm assuming) is trying to make the world perfect. They have a drink/potion type of thing that takes away your emotions. Thanks to that, there are no fights, there are no wars, no one is depressed, angry, upset. But, to live that life they also have to give up ALL emotions. So they also don't feel love, happiness, joy, anything. If someone decides not to take the drink (which they have to do every day), or even if they just forget, they are killed. But some people don't take the drink, they like feeling emotions, and they start a little underground group type of thing so that they can stay alive.
You don't like this chip. I think that overall it would be a good idea. What Defcon said could happen though, unfortunately. And if you don't want the chip in you, Exial, then do something about it. You can start a group to protest it. Also, there's no harm in trying. Yes, there's a chance that your voice won't be heard at all and they'll go through with having the chip anyway, but not trying at all is a definite no, rather than a maybe. Also, you can't just focus on yourself. Like I said before, overall it would be a good idea. Just because we'd be able to track criminals better and things like that. Maybe they could change the rule: only people who are criminals should have the chip. Or... You have the chip up to a certain age/after a certain age. That way not everyone would have the chip, but if you deserved it you would get it.

god damn it i want to say something but i dont want to read....

but heres my 2 cents.

revolution is possible, VERY possible the u.s. was built on revilution, the revolutonary war NO SHIT, womans rights, the civil rights movement, ect.

but today its less likely to happen because no one wants to do anything. people are too lazy and too stupid now aday.

but what we can do is take part in our gov't O_O please explain?!?!?!

the best way to change something is not from the outside but from within.

seriously people, learn your rights, take part in your gov't, you'll find that you can beat, change, fuck over, the system by useing it.

I was about to reply to you with that, until I read it. I couldn't have said it better myself.