That will just make them see fascist power, it won't convince them America is the greatest country. Israel are just as insane and deluded, we shouldn't help them either.

all this war is is a quest for power by bush and even if we did do everything right (witch we didnt) some 1 will still hate us be it fear, lust, history or whatever


"let them hate us as long as they fear us" (not sure his name but a roman ruler said this)

i served in iraq in 2003 with the brittish army when it all started and saw my share of fighting and i dont think we will ever bring rest to the country because of all the different religions in the area. as soon as one party gains power all the other partys try to cause unrest due to their religion not being in power, its a never ending circle. the coalition needs to stay while the water electricity ect is sorted then leave. we have enough probs with afganistan. somewhere else i will be going very soon!!

that bollox that you wrote (the anarchist) you obviously dont know much about religion. the bible also says that if you are not a christian or live a good life you will be judged. the same as the kor'ran and all the other religous texts. that is half the problem with iraq. narrow minded people mouthin off without enough evidence, and trying to solve iraq with "the greatest military on earth" will not work just look at veitnam. some diplomacy is needed aswell as a browning .50

Anarchist you ignorant fuck.

Islam is actually a religion of peace yes there is some thing that says spread Islam by the sword, but when christianity (the most violent religion to date) was killing people for not converting. Muslims were only taxing people who would not convert. the violent Muslims that are shown on fox which is the probably where you get all your facts are religious fanatics who can be compared to the christian evangelist groups

now for you who want to know why christianity is the most violent religion here's a few reasons.

the crusades, 200 years of war started by the pope

do you know why Friday the 13th is considered unlucky, well its cus the pope ordered the capture, torture, and execution, of the knights Templar.

what about the Spanish inquisition, how many innocent people do you think were killed during that christian act

what about when the Spanish came to America and saw that there was human sacrifice and practically killed of an entire people cus they refused to convert

Salem witch trials i live next to Salem so iv he herd all about how so called Christians said there neighbors were witches and had them hung, stoned, and burned

hey what about Jone of arc she was killed by christians cus she claimed she could talk to god

and what about the KKK white Anglo Protestant's claim to be a christian group, look at all the good theve done for the world

these are only a few things, compared to this Muslims are Mormons, wrong even the Mormons have a nice violent past themselves. so next time you want to say stuff like you did take a look in the mirror

fir the record i hate religion but i hate ignorant fucks even more

Gudgeonpin, just by reading your last post I can tell the following about you:

1. You are obviously not religious
2. a liberal
3. and worst of all ignorant

It's people like you that have ruined Europe and America. Your comment about Christianity is the most common ignorant statement I have seen. Just to set you strait... no where in the Bible there's teachings of killing non-believers. Islam is the only religion that teaches that. Please do your home work before you blab your mouth off, you moron!

Superfly, you're another ignorant fool!

trust me anarchist there dosnt need to be any thing written for people to do things just people with power

You need to stop associating people's actions with the actual teachings of different religions. Humans are humans, I am simply making a point that Islam is the only religion that teaches murder in the name of Allah. It is written in more than 4 places in the Koran. It plainly states to kill non believers.

yes but in the old Hebrew testament god says to kill men who dress up in women's clothing or people who sleep with animals. also he told the jews to eradicate all the people in the promised land pretty much. read the part when they are being told what to do in Jericho it tells them to kill every one or make them your slaves.

and of course the christian testament wont say any thing negative because any writings like that were kept out of the bible. they only wanted to put things that made Christianity look better. take revelations for example the person who wrote it was predicting what would happen 60 years from when he wrote it and it was put in the bible about 100 years after. it was originally not even supposed to be in the bible but they decided to put it in to scare people in that if there not christian they will be damned.

and when they say kill the non believers they mean the same people who Christians and jews consider non believers because Islam believes in the same god as those two. they just believe in different ways of worshiping it.

This thread is for all of you ignorant fools who say that Islam is a religion of peace. The Koran plainly states that cruel punishment of non believers will be the will of Allah. Take your Koran out and read 8,12; 9,5; 9,29; 9,73; 47,4; etc. You morons! It's because of people like you Islam has become such a problems.

Superfly, you're not going to win this one! Lets forget all the dark ages when people believed that Earth was flat. Let look at today. Give me one example of murder in Gods name other than Islam. Just one! And then ask yourself this question... if I have one choice where to live, would it be any country in the Middle East or USA?

I feel sorry for you Superfly. You say you hate ignorant people yet you are one.

alright so it says hunt down and slay the non believers.
but take into the fact that the Koran was written during time of conquest and people are going to write about things that make sense to them like war and conquest. if it was written in a different time it could be completely different i wont argue that it dosnt say not to kill in the name of god. but i will that wast Christianity and Judaism's idea too even though they did not write it. you said stop mistaking people actions with there teachings (or something like that) but remember that all religion comes from humans so the people who write it will put what they want into it, but it is the people who choose to follow the teachings choice to take what is written literally or not.

alright to you second out of three posts. like i said these are religious fanatics who are taking what is written literally. they are like the christian evangelist who believe that unless you PRAISE JESUS! and let them REALES YOU FROM YOUR SINS! you will make it into heaven. these are the people who think that moses split the sea and all that other crazy stuff in the bible. if they put kill the non believers in the bible these would be the first to do it.

and also how many people do you think are over there for religious reasons, im sure more than you think. in fact ill ask my father how many people he thinks are going over for god (hes a Sergent 1st class almost a master Sergent)


and like i said take into account when this was written, before the dark ages

by the way thank you for this i haven't had a good debate in a while