The revolution, How do you imagine it would begin? - Page 4

Count Chocula · January 13th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Cuddles

not the national guard? really? because the act you told me to research, actually specifies taking control of the national guard, in times of insurrection and rebellion, without having to wait for governor approval when the state is unable to maintain law by itself.

I was referring to the foundation of the rapid reaction forces the pentagon is founding all around the U.S.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles

my, how you are deluded.....name ONE acting general who would go along with enacting martial law, at this very moment, without a reason, such as an attempt at insurrection, rebellion, or a disaster situation in which the martial law would only be enacted upon a smaller area (ie, a state, or a portion of a state, which has no real way of governing itself due to said disaster).

That's the point. They wouldn't do it for no reason, people would go apeshit. There would be riots and probably open warfare against any military occupation. All they are doing is gradually passing bills to open up access to these previously illegal reactions, and they do it quietly with little fanfare. Then all it takes is one terrorist action, real or imagined to enact martial law.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles

have, just now, fucking worthless rag only establishes a minute amount more power than the government already had,

Do you really think they would pass a bill that says the government can do whatever it wants and everyone else can suck a fat dick? They can't just do it in one move, it has to be a gradual transition.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles

and even then, only when in a drastic situation, such as after a major, natural, or man made disaster, or in time of insurrection or rebellion.

Not hard to manufacture. See also: Gulf of Tonkin

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Originally Posted by Cuddles

none of this points to an attempt at martial law, as you've declared it did, you're just being a deluded fucking idiot. stop it.

How does it not point to martial law? Think of all the laws that violate previously held civil riots. Maybe you're being the deluded fucking idiot.

Cuddles · January 13th, 2009

the gulf of tonkin incident was one fabricated attack and one real attack, and im not going to waste any more time arguing over stupid shit like this, you're being a paranoid fuck, and you'll never see that, even when martial law does NOT get enacted during any point of your lifetime, anywhere where you live.

Red Rebel · January 13th, 2009

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also, jesus fucking christ, are you still in the "attack every minute detail of what he says so he loses the election" phase? come on, he won, you cant take down what he said any more

I don't give a crap who won in american "elections" - would it be McCain, Obama or Jesus Christ himself. Elections are obvious rubbish, and nothing is going to change while corporations switch their puppets in Washington.

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american gestapo? how is that an american gestapo? he's advocating better funding for police/fbi/national guard forces, not some american gestapo, you fucking idiot

Because police/fbi/national guard will be the first ones to be thrown against possible revolutionaries or rioters, as it usually happens in a police state. During/after financial crisis this is obvious because they understand that many people will get pissed off.

fuckthesystem · January 20th, 2009

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Originally Posted by freetibet

so you want more severe punishments for basically every crime?

I used to support the death penalty because it made sense legally, I mean why pay to support a serial killer? I no longer support the death penalty though, but on moral grounds. I think everyone should be given a chance for redemption. That doesn't mean they should be set free, I just think they should have at least a little time to come to terms with their crimes and find peace within themselves before they die.

i did support the death penalty, but it is cheaper and easier to just sentence people to life in prison...besides make them suffer dont end it quick

Cuddles · January 20th, 2009

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Originally Posted by fuckthesystem

i did support the death penalty, but it is cheaper and easier to just sentence people to life in prison...besides make them suffer dont end it quick

how the FUCK is it cheaper to feed, clothe, bathe, and give basic health care to people for the remainder of their life?

rsdbaby · January 20th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Cuddles

how the FUCK is it cheaper to feed, clothe, bathe, and give basic health care to people for the remainder of their life?

It really is. It costs on average 2 million dollars of tax payers money to execute someone in the US. On top of that the appeal process makes it ridiculously long. The average prisoner spends 18-20 years on death row, more prisoners die on death row than are executed.

Cuddles · January 21st, 2009

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Originally Posted by rsdbaby

It really is. It costs on average 2 million dollars of tax payers money to execute someone in the US. On top of that the appeal process makes it ridiculously long. The average prisoner spends 18-20 years on death row, more prisoners die on death row than are executed.

then make the process more efficient. as well, i doubt that 2 million dollars would truly be lessened by keeping the person in prison.

666camaro420 · January 21st, 2009

is it seriously $2 million? what about that costs that much?

Count Chocula · January 21st, 2009

Probably trials, appeals, and hours of work are included in that figure... actually executing someone probably costs under $20,000

666camaro420 · January 21st, 2009

we should just shoot em. that would cost $300 for the gun and 50 cents for the round. plus whatever they pay the executioner

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