the m1 goes 67.72 km/h and the t-90 goes 65 km/h so no real difference. the t-90 is 31.27 by 9.12 and the m1 is 32.04 ft by 26.02 so the m1 has more width but almost the same length. the m1 weight is roughly 67.5 tons the t-90's is i think 52 tons not sure so you are right a T-90 is a little lighter. "M1 tank is active in 3 countries" i think you mean 5 Australia,Egypt,Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,United States.
Yes i did mean the Carl-Gustaf M3 which is used by about 25+ countries. ok trying is fine with me. the t-90 is light and smaller but is over powered by both us and uk counter parts. going to bed soon fun debate tho

“the m1 goes 67.72 km/h and the t-90 goes 65 km/h so no real difference. the t-90 is 31.27 by 9.12 and the m1 is 32.04 ft by 26.02 so the m1 has more width but almost the same length. the m1 weight is roughly 67.5 tons the t-90's is i think 52 tons not sure so you are right a T-90 is a little lighter. "M1 tank is active in 3 countries" i think you mean 5 Australia,Egypt,Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,United States.
Yes i did mean the Carl-Gustaf M3 which is used by about 25+ countries. ok trying is fine with me. the t-90 is light and smaller but is over powered by both us and uk counter parts. going to bed soon fun debate tho”

“the m1 goes 67.72 km/h and the t-90 goes 65 km/h so no real difference.”
-That’s the T-90 version with the 840 HP model, though there is the V-92S2 diesel engine that generates 1,000+hp and can go much quicker.


“. the t-90 is 31.27 by 9.12 and the m1 is 32.04 ft by 26.02 so the m1 has more width but almost the same length.”

-31.27 Meters? I think you mean feet, so if that’s what you’re implying. The length of the T-90 is 31.2 feet long,12 feet wide, and 7 feet in height and the M1A1 Abram actually is 32.25 feet long 12 feet wide and 8 feet in height.

-What makes the T-90 so “great” is that the turret on the 90 is a lot smaller then the Abram, which would be a problem, because it’s a bigger target and that’s is one of the spots that have the “least” amount of armour.

Sources:
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/T-90S.htm




"M1 tank is active in 3 countries" i think you mean 5 Australia,Egypt,Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,United States.”
-Kuwait and Egypt don’t use up to this date their “little amount” of M1A2 (Not A1 Abrams) though the A2’s were sold to these countries, they weren’t seeking these tanks they were traded for oil between US and Kuwait and Egypt.

-Here is a little quote on the Kuwait military, from a reliable source “Its first-line main battle tanks are M-84s, Yugoslav versions of the Soviet T-72 tank.”

-The Russian T-90 is used in India, China,North Korea, Indonesia, Algeria, Pakistan, and other oldSoviet bloc countries which don’t really count.
-The T-90 version is used more through out the world then M1, and Challenger and Merkava Tanks put together. “Type 98, and T-90 Dominate World Tank Market“
Source: http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...t110015374.php
Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...uwait-army.htm


“Yes i did mean the Carl-Gustaf M3 which is used by about 25+ countries.”
-Indeed it is, though it’s not American.


“. the t-90 is light and smaller but is over powered by both us and uk counter parts”
-We are not talking about the UK challenger MTB, though the M1A1/A2 main gun was designed by the UK and not the United States. The gun on the T-90 is more powerful then the M1A1, the M1A1 has better armour (which can be penetrated by Russian MTBs anyways). Though, the Abram is a tough tank and takes it’s beatings in battle, it has it’s “flaws”, I would like to see how it handles in Russian winters. The T-90 and many of it’s other tanks such as the the T-34 and up are built so well, it can handle a lot from mother nature unlike some American equipment. The T-34 was used up into the 1990’s, a tank from WW2.





(Leo A2 Best tank in the world)

(T-80, not the 90, though it shows the potential the 80 has.)

(Another T-90 Video)

(Abram video)

(Another Abram)

(Abram Vs t90)

“Yes i did mean the Carl-Gustaf M3 which is used by about 25+ countries.”
-Indeed it is, though it’s not American. so countries can only use weapons they designed? the t-90 has many flaws to fire control system, availability of ammunition etc. the army has at least 5300 m1a1 and a2 active tanks. the Russian ground forces has about 850(i think ) t-90's. the American army is just flat out more powerful than Russia ground forces.

the US has highly trained crews and some of the best electronics to help it.

“Yes i did mean the Carl-Gustaf M3 which is used by about 25+ countries.”
-Indeed it is, though it’s not American. so countries can only use weapons they designed? the t-90 has many flaws to fire control system, availability of ammunition etc. the army has at least 5300 m1a1 and a2 active tanks. the Russian ground forces has about 850(i think ) t-90's. the American army is just flat out more powerful than Russia ground forces.

the US has highly trained crews and some of the best electronics to help it.
-Experience is much more effective over tank simiulators, though it’s not useless none the less.

“so countries can only use weapons they designed?”
-Never mentioned that and never claimed it, just to point it out, it’s not United States Tech, along with pointing out that the main gun on the M1A1 is from the Uk and not the United States again.

“the t-90 has many flaws to fire control system”
-The tank is fairly new, it was "produced" in 1999, the problems occurred in 2003 in the Indian military due to overuse in 60* weather, and modifying. The Indian military got knocked down versions of the T-90 using the 'French Catherine thermal imaging TI camera, the Russian T-90 uses the 1A4GT integrated fire control system (IFCS).

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread214509/pg1
Source: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t90/

“availability of ammunition etc”
That’s funny because the M1A1 Abram carries 40 main rounds, the T-90 Carries 43 and the T-80 carries 45 rounds of ammunition. So I don’t know where in the hell you got that from, because the T-90 Carries more ammunition then the M1A1.
“The M1A1 has a total
round capacity of 40 main gun rounds.”

Source:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...t/1991/BDW.htm

Source: http://www.ipcs.org/printMilitary.js...&military=1018


“the Russian ground forces has about 850(i think ) t-90's.”
-The Russian has over 22,800 Mtb’s battle fit and ready.

” the American army is just flat out more powerful than Russia ground forces.”
-The Russian military has been through economical wreck through the 90’s and the early millennium, at a spending rate between 30-60 billion a year, now it’s going up to 200 billion a year, so Russia is climbing back up the economical ladder and they are not out of it, not at all.

The Russian has over 22,800 Mtb’s battle fit and ready...many of which are older models of the t series not the t-90.The autoloader on the t-90 can carry 22 rounds and when i mean availability of ammunition i mean it harder to find then silver bullets and they don't have ammunition types like the M1028. they army all so has alot of nice AH-64 Apache attack helicopter with alot of AGM-114s ready to go. the Russians do have the hind but no match of the AH-64. Experience where will the Russians get that driving tho Chechnya waiting for a rebel to shot the tank with a AK47 and run away before they can do any thing and i did not mean tank simulators i meant the F-22 that can be ready to come and save the m1.

yeah russia and the U.S. arnt on the best of terms, but we're not going to war anytime soon because of that mutual destruction pact.

and on the topic of tanks, has anyone seen the new Panzers? there're pretty bad ass.

The Panzer Howitzer 2000?

yeah, the whole fireing and loading mechanisim is pretty cool.

"many of which are older models of the t series not the t-90."
-Never claimed such things, though they are a mix of T-62's.72, 80s and 90s, with most upgraded to "modern" standards.

"The autoloader on the t-90 can carry 22 rounds"
-Indeed it dose, though it reloads quicker then the M4A1 and it's guiding system is able to blow up the round in flight.

"they army all so has alot of nice AH-64 Apache attack helicopter with alot of AGM-114s ready to go. the Russians do have the hind but no match of the AH-64."
-No but a KA-50 black shark would, it has much better speed and agility then a Apache.




"Experience where will the Russians get that driving tho Chechnya waiting for a rebel to shot the tank with a AK47 and run away before they can do any thing"
-Rephrase that one more time, I could not understand what you're trying to claim.

"i did not mean tank simulators"
-Well that's training.

"i meant the F-22 that can be ready to come and save the m1"
-When did you bring up the F-22 in your posts, don't think I'll know what your implying because you're not making any sense what so ever. Also it would most likely be a F-16 on the battlefield instead of a $137.5 million dollar jet.

Here's a video on the Panzer Howitzer 2000.