that's what I'm tryin' ta explain before superfly came in, tellin' me off and stuff... it is gangs, and some of it is from hispanics. or a lot of other crimes, it's from. not bein' racist or saying it's all illegal immigrants' fault.
I dunno if I can explain it any better, but that was part of my point... yeah...

you obviously dont understand what i was saying with that point though, or your just not saying what you mean to say...gangs is the problem not hispanic gangs. what im saying is that your generalizing that the gang problem in america is because of all the immigrants. but the gang problem in america is because of many other things, not immigrants. so even if that is what you mean to say, its a point that doesnt support any of your logic in why immigrants are bad.

Illegals do pay taxes.. at the gas station. And I feel for the people who are just here to make a living but they need to do it the legal way. and actually the Government does need to do something about it in my opinion.

Honestly regardless of what the age is in Phoenix people don't join a gang to be cool they join because it is a tradition in family and culture (much like Miami I'm sure.) But when the average life expectancy of a gang member is 26 its not a good way to make a living.

"they should not be allowed here"
I don't believe that I said they should not be here but I do think they should come the legal way.

I agree that the people that want to come here for good reasons should be allowed to come but it should be done in an organized way so that they can get jobs and not have to be on welfare and/or be pressured into criminal activity.

"butcher you are saying that because in the one area you grew up it was a serious problem."

No its everywhere in Phoenix. Even brand new neighborhoods are like that. Within five years after moving into a new house you will be falling asleep to gunshots. I have friends that bought a new house and were first owners and withing two weeks the people next doors rims were stolen. I lived in a relatively good neighborhood actually (I think) (West Phoenix) it was a nice place to live when my parents moved in and five years later there were people getting killed next door in drive by's etc.

"also i never called any of you racist..."

lol I know I only said that as a disclaimer.



"immigrants taking the lower class jobs"

I look at it this way, (and I could be wrong but) we were doing ok before everyone started running for the boarder weren't we?

I am serious about the at least 300 people setting around looking all shady. It was out in the middle of a park area. I don't know maybe someone was having a birthday party lol JK.


Also wanted to add, I think they are saying that most of the crime comes from African American gangs in East Phoenix also (could be wrong though).

Well Butcher there are many illegals who file there taxes and pay a lot of money to our government so you cannot down play anyone unless you know for sure they are avoiding taxes. Did you know a majority of illegal immigrants everywhere but the south I believe do file there taxes and pay money to the government.

Still I ask you all how can they do it the legal way if we do not let them unless they have money and a home here? Maybe if we relaxed our legality process and not charge so much then we would not have to sit here and listening to the complaining of others about illegal immigrants

well if we did that, then we would probably go back to the way they did it on eles island and it would still be just as hard, probably even harder today.

although i think that is the best way, excetp for the fact when my great uncle might be deported because they fucked up his identity, and the only way to prove them wrong is he would have to go back to italy, but if he did that then he wpuldnt be able to come back lol

this is from LNT he cant post right now.... hehe

Dude, its not the illegal immigrants fault that they are here. That organization thing that was started back in the day that dealt with taxes and shit screwed the mexicans because all of a sudden clothing factories were leaving there were no job; companies could now make their products a shit load cheaper in asia. and there government wasn't and isn't shit(its gotten much better though) and didn't have any plan on fixing the problem. they actually ive maps to their citizens on how to get acrosss successfully. and its not even mexicans any more. you know how many other south american nationalities have moved up through mexicon now to live? its a chain coming up here from the second and third world countries. and it makes sense for them to do what they did. the problem is that there are many that are taking advantage of the system. I actually was friendly with a large group of illegal immigrants. and what is interesting is that they party, yes just like any one would. but the majority of their money that they make, like 75% of every pay check, gets western unioned back to mexico for their family, so that they can save up enough money to get the next family member up here. that's why they are work horses. they work for there families. still i agree there are always those who take too much advantage of the system


now fuck you if you disagree with this because it's fuckin true. i just contributed it real knowledge to all of you. that was completely original and factual information. read into it. do the social experiments that i have done as a sociology major.

I think it would be best if i just keep my mouth shut on this topic from now on I rather not get on peoples bad sides

How can they file there taxes the legal way when they are illegal? Don't they need a legal identity to do that?