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Old November 13th, 2007   #1
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Illegal Immigration

What the hell is going on with all these un official residents, not just from Mexico, im not a xenophobe,im just concerned about our economy, if the cycle isnt completed that is lost money, not that we cant go on without the little that is lost, but this is our country .....i mean damn i may seem heartless but its not completly our fault that outside governments arent as succesful as our own
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Old November 13th, 2007   #2
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YAY YOU USED A BIG WORD IN THE CORRECT CONTEXT!!!! (im not being a sarcastic asshole im actually very happy)

i do agree whith you though if a person wants into this country they can do what all the other legal imagrents do.

although if you have a criminal record you cant become a citizen so iunno about them
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Xenophobe isn't a big word, although it is a very seldom used word. Antidisestablishmentarianism, now that's a big word, and its use in common conversation is even less likely.

Now back to the topic at hand. I myself do not suffer from xenophobia either, but I do have a dislike for people who take what others have worked so hard to achieve. The problem with illegal immigrants is that they are not part of the American economy; they may put money into the economy, but they take more from the economy than they add. $60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion deficit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism. This is a massive transfer of wealth from America - essentially from America's displaced working poor - to Mexico.

A May 28, 2004 study by Bendixen & Associates found that legal and illegal immigrants send a total of $30 billion to their home countries on an annual basis. Mexico receives $13.3 billion a year. The largest amount in remittances ($9.6 billion) is sent from California, followed by New York ($3.6 billion), Texas ($3.2 billion) and Florida ($2.5 billion). Of those surveyed by the study, 24% were Latin American-born U.S. citizens, 39% were legal residents, and 32% were illegal aliens. Sixty-one per cent of those surveyed send remittances overseas at least once a month. A typical remittance is between $150 and $250. Education is another problem, the total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually—enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.

These are just some statistics I had found, some are a bit old, but they are still a valid source of information.
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Exo-fraken-zactly, lol made up word, sucks so much that our indecisive government has yet to take any action with substantial results
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i think that since we are such a great country we should not have a problem with immigrants comming to this country. i do agree with you that they should go through the legal requirments to become proper citizens, but for those who are unable to achieve citizenship for whatever reason it may be, unless they are criminals and are only hurting our economy and communities, then thats not a probelm either. (if that sentence made any sense) i do think many of the immigrants who live in this country illegaly are what makes this country run.

another thing is you said "if the cycle isnt completed that is lost money, not that we cant go on without the little that is lost"- - - we are already in huge huge debt, so its not a little money lost. maybe from this, yes a small amount, but thats not the only economical problem- - but thats a whole other issue
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i think that since we are such a great country we should not have a problem with immigrants comming to this country. i do agree with you that they should go through the legal requirments to become proper citizens, but for those who are unable to achieve citizenship for whatever reason it may be, unless they are criminals and are only hurting our economy and communities, then thats not a probelm either. (if that sentence made any sense) i do think many of the immigrants who live in this country illegaly are what makes this country run.

another thing is you said "if the cycle isnt completed that is lost money, not that we cant go on without the little that is lost"- - - we are already in huge huge debt, so its not a little money lost. maybe from this, yes a small amount, but thats not the only economical problem- - but thats a whole other issue
I'm not really an expert on this subject, but some of this I agree, some of it I don't... the part about immagrants coming into this country, yeah, I agree that they should become a proper citizen first... but people do pay for illegal immagrants being here. it doesn't "make this country run" cuz, a lot of the crimes are from illegal immagrants crossing the borders (not saying "all" or "most" but a lot of it is from that), them getting a "crappy" job, and living somewhere in this country, actual legal people do pay for that. just because no one else enjoys working at some crappy job, doesn't mean it's a good thing for an illegal immagrant to work there. like I said tho, I'm not a big expert on this subject, but that's just my opinion...

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I went on a trip to Phoenix about 4 years ago and you wouldn't believe all of the home invasions that go on daily out there. A home invasion is what illegal immigrants do to obtain an identity like social security numbers etc. Basically they pick a house out and kick the door in and kill everyone inside and steal there identities. Plus all of the Hispanic gangs coming over like MS13 that are taking over the cities.
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Hispanic gangs coming over like MS13 that are taking over the cities.
thats what I mean ^
shit, there not only down south, but around here. meh, I went to milwalkee, and there's "hispanic gangs" all over. they walk around with a loaded gun, right in there hands. and cops don't do anything about it...
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I am not sure i could agree with what you all are saying. Yes people should become legal but we charge an arm and a leg to get the papers and the lawyers in order for them to become a part of our "fine nation". So for these illegal immigrants to get there legality they must work to save the money to get the papers to apply for there citizenship.
Also if you take the time to look it they take the jobs no one will take all the hard labor that most of us "Americans" refuse to take because we think it is below us to have to work so hard. I think if they can prove they are working and trying to make a decent living here *unlike some who live here now as legalized citizens* they should be able to get there citizenship. It should also be required to learn English when they come here to prove they are becoming an actual citizen.
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I went on a trip to Phoenix about 4 years ago and you wouldn't believe all of the home invasions that go on daily out there. A home invasion is what illegal immigrants do to obtain an identity like social security numbers etc. Basically they pick a house out and kick the door in and kill everyone inside and steal there identities. Plus all of the Hispanic gangs coming over like MS13 that are taking over the cities.
your stereotypeing and exagerating. they dont run in and kill everybody in there so they can take their social security..dont you think if the people were found dead in their hoiuse and then someone was using the social security and all their info it would be a little suspicous? your a retard. and both you and paler talk about the hispanic gangs, palmer specificaly says something about them walking around with their gun in their pants or what ever, i didnt finish reading because it was so ridiculous. have you not seen allt he blacks walking around witht heir guns in there pants? nobody is deporting them. and there arent that many anymore, but who do you think the original gangs in america were...ontop of all this bullshit excuses im hearing, please fucking read what i wrote because i did exclude the criminals who come across as who i was defending. and yes palmer, they do make this country go round. there is too large of a number of immigrants who do your fucking yard, pick your strawberries, flip your hamburgers, paint your house, patch the hole in your roof, and pick up your garbage, for americans to just fill those spots. and with them taking those jobs that makes americans just as more competetive to go to college get a degree and get a decent job, because honestly those jobs arent for highschool graduated white americans anymore. hate to sound racist but its true. so please rethink everyhting you ahve just said, even though i didnt finish reading it because it was just outragous to me..
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