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Old June 18th, 2007   #21
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Well the washington post reported China was covertly supplying talaiban with weapons, using Iran as a medium.
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Well the washington post reported China was covertly supplying talaiban with weapons, using Iran as a medium.
"China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan, through Iran.
U.S. government appeals to China to check some of the arms shipments in advance were met with stonewalling by Beijing, which insisted it knew nothing about the shipments and asked for additional intelligence on the transfers."

You failed to refer to "small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan, through Iran". Through Iran is the "topic" here we are talking about, they sold weapons to Iran, who sold it to insurgents. It is out of China's hands when the Iranians sold weapons to the insurgents, China was probably trying to make some profit... Who knows, but you do know China is a Communist state right? The military runs everything, when you say China you are "referring" to the China's military not so the government of Beijing. The army of China is equal to the government if not more, the military of China who made and distributed these weapons didn't have to go through government approval unlike the United States, Canada, Britian, etc. There is no hard evidence that "China handed weapons to terrorists" if that was the case then this would be much of a bigger deal.

China is not aiding insurgents, Chinese military is making money off Iran who sold the weapons to insurgents. If China was aiding the insurgents, the Western powers would boycott Chinese goods or have some other "punishment".

Read this part carefully...
"China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan, through Iran."
-China is not saying "here take this to beat the Western powers in the Middle East", the military is making a bundle off of Iran which so is selling to insurgents.
-The news is spicing this topic up a little and not being totally specific, just to give a more interesting read.
-China and the Chinese military are for the war on terrorism, it just so happens the military is making money off of Iran, it's not like the United States never supported terrorists (They did, in Afghanistan against the Soviets).
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Yes but this leads you to believe that China is only using Iran as a cover.

"China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan.
this part would directly indicate that China already knows were the weapons are
going.
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Yes but this leads you to believe that China is only using Iran as a cover.

"China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan.
this part would directly indicate that China already knows were the weapons are
going.
It doesn’t really lead anywhere, but I understand what you are trying to get to. There is no reason for China to support terrorism because China needs allot of money, and by screwing up the ties with the Western powers would be devastating for China and its economy. It doesn’t take a brainiac to know if you sell weapons (Small arms) to a country that is surrounded by terrorist supporting countries that it will end up in terrorist hands.

"U.S. officials have openly criticized Iran for the arms transfers but so far there has been no mention that China is a main supplier."

You do know that there are alot of replica weapons built in Iran, I hope you do when discussing about this topic...

The Chinese military know whare these weapons are going to end up and they got paid, you can't sew a gun store dealer for selling weapons to a "legit" buyer, but in some cases when you're talking about $500,000,000+ worth of weapons then it's worth selling.
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Yes but this leads you to believe that China is only using Iran as a cover.

"China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan.
this part would directly indicate that China already knows were the weapons are
going.
Covertly yes, they don't have to tell the United States they are selling weapons to Iran? Atleast it's not scuds, SLBM's or nuclear missiles... Pfft, the Chinese military wouldn't tell the United States even if they asked, but maybe the Chinese government.
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China is a pathetic Dump.
Not even good to say they are Socialist let alone Communists.
The Chinese are not Supplying the Terrorists, and even if they were, who gives a fuck? No one exept those damn Republicans. Now anyway back to my point. The Chinese use old Soviet Guns, for example the PPSH (New Edition), AK-47/74, and the Sniper Mosin Nagant. The terrorists could not get supplies from the Chinese, first of all because the 'Socialist' Government does not allow Religion, which is what they are trying to create the world into a damn Religion. Another thing, they got most of their guns off the Black Market, and the Soviet-Afghan War. You are getting Hypnotised by the System my friend.
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China is a pathetic Dump.
Not even good to say they are Socialist let alone Communists.
The Chinese are not Supplying the Terrorists, and even if they were, who gives a fuck? No one exept those damn Republicans. Now anyway back to my point. The Chinese use old Soviet Guns, for example the PPSH (New Edition), AK-47/74, and the Sniper Mosin Nagant. The terrorists could not get supplies from the Chinese, first of all because the 'Socialist' Government does not allow Religion, which is what they are trying to create the world into a damn Religion. Another thing, they got most of their guns off the Black Market, and the Soviet-Afghan War. You are getting Hypnotised by the System my friend.
Once again, you have no fucking clue to what you're talking about in this post, the Chinese military dose not use the PPSH!!! The standard weapon is the QBZ-95!!! Made in the 90's not like the M16 in the 60's...

Check out the 5th Generation multi-purpose fighter the J-10, equivalent to the F-22 Raptor.

The don't use a Mosin Nagant either, they use the QBU-88 (Type-88) sniper rifle...

Next time before you post something stupid like this, post facts.
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No you idiot. -.-

The Chinese give out old weapons, for example out of date shit. The terrorists cannot afford the shit. Also, I've studied the Chinese alot more then you my friend, spent a whole year studying, Not American Propaganda Bullshit. You need to learn your facts away from Wikipedia my friend. Wikipedia is almost NEVER accurate, because people go on it half the time and say: OMG DES GUIS R COMMIES LOL @ THEM SO YAH DUNT REAAD BOUT THEM KK?
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No you idiot. -.-

The Chinese give out old weapons, for example out of date shit. The terrorists cannot afford the shit. Also, I've studied the Chinese alot more then you my friend, spent a whole year studying, Not American Propaganda Bullshit. You need to learn your facts away from Wikipedia my friend. Wikipedia is almost NEVER accurate, because people go on it half the time and say: OMG DES GUIS R COMMIES LOL @ THEM SO YAH DUNT REAAD BOUT THEM KK?
You're a fucking idoit.

"The Chinese use old Soviet Guns, for example the PPSH (New Edition), AK-47/74, and the Sniper Mosin Nagant."

They do not use those outdated weapons.

"The Chinese give out old weapons, for example out of date shit. The terrorists cannot afford the shit."
-Terrorist cannot afford "the shit" you have no fucking clue to what Osama Bin Ladden had done, rebuilt alot of Aghanistan with his own construction company, you have no clue what and how much money there is involved in wars.

"Also, I've studied the Chinese alot more then you my friend, spent a whole year studying, Not American Propaganda Bullshit."
-I know much more about anything in military then you, pathetic little cunt. What did you study if I may ask?

"You need to learn your facts away from Wikipedia my friend. Wikipedia is almost NEVER accurate, because people go on it half the time and say: OMG DES GUIS R COMMIES LOL @ THEM SO YAH DUNT REAAD BOUT THEM KK?"
- Me? Where did I counter your posts with Wikipedia? You can find the same facts for anything that I have posted on other sources, so get your facts straight, post something that makes sence to what you are trying to counter, and I need proof to the Chinese giving out old outdated weapons, China deals any type of arms for any type of price, your previous post did not state that, get your shit straight little boy.

"The Chinese use old Soviet Guns, for example the PPSH (New Edition), AK-47/74, and the Sniper Mosin Nagant."

Fucking moron, they do not use those weapons, take another quick look to what I was replying to.

Take a look at these Mosin Nagin
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5086416.stm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...16/ai_63583826
http://www.tamilguardian.com/article.asp?articleid=1263

And when you look at these websites, look at the gun names and do some research on them.
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