My information outranks anything you will ever find ever. YOU CANNOT DET ANFO WITH A FIRECRACKER.

MOLTEN AN IS VERY UNSTABLE BUT WILL NOT PROVIDE COMPLETE DETONATION. AN COMPS ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY PRODUCE ONLY GASEOUS PRODUCTS ON DETONATION, AND MOLTEN AN INHERENTLY PRODUCES SOLID RESIDUES AND RANDOM SALTS DUE TO UNPREDICTABLE REACTION PATHWAYS.

Your information? I see no sources, no facts, no nothing but T.A.L.K, if you're so fucking superior, make some fucking videos on making these things "You know all about" you seem to talk alot and I am getting fed up with your fucking shit, I try to side with you, but in return I get disrespect. Are you fucking serious? what happens when something explodes? It decomposes. You do not have any of your OWN information that outranks mine little man. I suggest you look into this information. Because it has happened here and it can happen again. Stop trying to look smart by posting synthesis from other websites acting as if it were your own. And no it was no little firework either, it was a charge from a motar. Don't bother unless you have 110% proof of your claims, because I will not stop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster

You get respect when you speak the truth. You have to earn it. I didn't feel the need to cite a source saying that you can't detonate ANFO with a firework, because anybody who works in this field for any period of time knows that as basic theory.

Little man? Argumentum ad hominem. Classic tactic of those with no real point - Discredit your opposition. This is science. it's not personal. It's fucking fact.

Straight AN and regular diesel oil runs, at best, 0.8 the brisancy of TNT. AN decomposing under molten conditions runs at 0.5, under lab conditions. Because it's so hygroscopic it won't even take up the fuel well until you've activated it, by adding about a tablespoon of water to every 500g of AN and baking it on high heat in your oven for a couple of hours.

You ca often get another .2 RE points by adding up to 10% Aluminium powder, but that will also shift your oxygen balance so you'll need to compensate with an increase in the AN.

See, not everybody can cite their sources by just pointing to a link. I don't spend my time just reading random wiki pages and crap from this kind of forum. I learnt by getting into the industry, pyrotechnics guilds, blasting licenses, training from the pros who do it for a living. I've listen for hours to lectures on military explosives theory from ex-commando specialists. YOU haven't even done the tinest snippit of research other then reading about the texas city disaster. And, if you'd bothered to have checked YOUR sources; you'd know that the explosion was caused by AN which had been (a) sprayed with paraffin wax to stop it absorbing moisyure, and (b) when burning, they sealed the hatches to cut off the air supply to the fire, without realising that the AN, burning with a sensitizer and then confined, is a perfect recipe for an explosion. It is NOT however, an AN explosion. The AN does not completely detonate, it only undergoes partial combustion, most of the explosion is caused by pressurised fuel vapours along with nitric oxides (in itself a powerful gaseous explosive mixture), but it is NOT detonating ANFO under fire or firework conditions.

You wanna dance? Get your facts straight, sunshine.

“You get respect when you speak the truth. You have to earn it. I didn't feel the need to cite a source saying that you can't detonate ANFO with a firework, because anybody who works in this field for any period of time knows that as basic theory.”
-Everything I have stated was the truth, you need proof, because you know you’re wrong and you hardly have any clue to what you’re talking about.

“Little man? Argumentum ad hominem. Classic tactic of those with no real point - Discredit your opposition. This is science. it's not personal. It's fucking fact.”
- No, little man as in how you act (A child who thinks he or she is always right, and when someone opposes them cry out that their information that they provided (which is nothing but nonsense) is the right information).

“Straight AN and regular diesel oil runs, at best, 0.8 the brisancy of TNT. AN decomposing under molten conditions runs at 0.5, under lab conditions. Because it's so hygroscopic it won't even take up the fuel well until you've activated it, by adding about a tablespoon of water to every 500g of AN and baking it on high heat in your oven for a couple of hours.”
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“Straight AN and regular diesel oil runs, at best, 0.8 the brisancy of TNT. AN decomposing under molten conditions runs at 0.5, under lab conditions.”
-Were not talking about the strength of ANFO.

“Because it's so hygroscopic it won't even take up the fuel well until you've activated it”
-That’s why you’re supposed to keep it in a dry area and make it in a dry area; did you not know that when making ANFO? Well I suppose it’s alright making it outside but it dose take a certain amount of time to do so.

“by adding about a tablespoon of water to every 500g of AN and baking it on high heat in your oven for a couple of hours.”
-To what? Make Nitrous oxide? See you don’t know what you are talking about, the oven at high heat (260 °C or 500°F) will evaporate the water and the Ammonium Nitrate will fully decompose at 210 °C.

“You ca often get another .2 RE points by adding up to 10% Aluminium powder, but that will also shift your oxygen balance so you'll need to compensate with an increase in the AN.”
- That is why we used Magnesium powder, and produced an Ammonium Nitrate propellant that was much more better to ignite and burned twice the rate as if it Aluminum powder.
“See, not everybody can cite their sources by just pointing to a link. I don't spend my time just reading random wiki pages and crap from this kind of forum. I learnt by getting into the industry, pyrotechnics guilds, blasting licenses, training from the pros who do it for a living.”
- No, the information you obtain is from other websites, getting into the industry, you’re only 16 years old, you do not have your blasting licenses and if you were as good as you think, Liam to be you would a lot more then just getting other people’s thesis off other websites, Wikipedia or not, it’s proof. Your proof, just some random statements you make, and when you disagree you act as if you were 4 years old in kindergarten.
“I've listen for hours to lectures on military explosives theory from ex-commando specialists. YOU haven't even done the tinest snippit of research other then reading about the texas city disaster.”
- More lies again? I read the information before I used it as information, you haven’t provided the “tinest snippit” information to back up your statements, and I mean legit websites, not some website from geocities, or a fucking blog from Myspace, provide me with facts, because I am still waiting, even though I know it will not happen. Ex-commando specialists? What in the fuck is that? Are you trying to tell me you have come up with some stupid name for a Demo Expert ? Hahaha, don’t get into that discussion with me and military because your odds don’t even exist.

“And, if you'd bothered to have checked YOUR sources; you'd know that the explosion was caused by AN which had been (a) sprayed with paraffin wax to stop it absorbing moisyure, and (b) when burning, they sealed the hatches to cut off the air supply to the fire, without realising that the AN, burning with a sensitizer and then confined, is a perfect recipe for an explosion.”
- Yet again, yes I did. Keeping your Ammonium Nitrate in dry area will keep it dry when the bag hasn’t been opened. Yes yes yes, right here “when burning, they sealed the hatches to cut off the air supply to the fire, without realizing that the AN, burning with a sensitizer and then confined, is a perfect recipe for an explosion” you just have provided me with more “fact” to my statement of ANFO in a pipe bomb device heated up would work.

“It is NOT however, an AN explosion. The AN does not completely detonate, it only undergoes partial combustion, most of the explosion is caused by pressurised fuel vapours along with nitric oxides (in itself a powerful gaseous explosive mixture), but it is NOT detonating ANFO under fire or firework conditions.”
- Whether or not, it’s an explosion no matter what, and Ammonium Nitrate was used. And a “firework” did set it off, just try getting some proof before you post because I don’t believe much of what you claim and say.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANFO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate
Let’s dance.

Okay this is how merf got fired - but not respecting her fellow mods and our decisions. I know that this is not my board to make suggestions, but if you two have quarrels, settle them in PMs. Don't spam the forum with bickering.

No, YOU need proof that you detted ANFO witha firework. I don't have to disprove it because it is the currently accepted and widely known factor that a LOW EXPLOSIVE cannot detonate a TERTIARY HE COMPOSITION.

Wow, way to know exactly what you're talking about [/sarcasm]



My name isn't Liam. Methinks you have me confused with somebody else.

I repeat: I gave credence that it could hypothetically explode. However, is was NOT due to an AN detonation.



You're completely missing the point. just because it exploded, doesn't make it a detonation. Try READING the post, buddy.

And you not even understanding how to activate AN? Shows you're a complete noob in this field.

You can't just say 'It's an explosion no matetr what', because there is a HUGE difference between low explosives, high explosives, mechanical explosives and partial and complete detonations. Find out what that difference is, and THEN you'll understand why you can't detonate ANFO with a firework.

you could use a firecracker to act as a ghetto detinator and set off a booster
attached to the ANFO....couldn't you?

“No, YOU need proof that you detted ANFO witha firework. I don't have to disprove it because it is the currently accepted and widely known factor that a LOW EXPLOSIVE cannot detonate a TERTIARY HE COMPOSITION.”
-When the chance comes up again I will post up some information on how to build it and some proof.

“by adding about a tablespoon of water to every 500g of AN and baking it on high heat in your oven for a couple of hours.”
-Simple and easy, baking Ammonium Nitrate temperatures creates Nitrous Oxide, period. Not that hard to understand now is it?
http://www.justsayn2o.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/...kes-you-laugh/

“My name isn't Liam. Methinks you have me confused with somebody else.”
-No, I know exactly who you are.

“I repeat: I gave credence that it could hypothetically explode. However, is was NOT due to an AN detonation.”
-Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t detonated, it has decomposed and exploded, period.

“You're completely missing the point. just because it exploded, doesn't make it a detonation.”
-No I’m not, I think it’s you that can’t follow. I never said it was a detonation did I? I said it exploded so read my post more carefully.

“And you not even understanding how to activate AN? Shows you're a complete noob in this field.”
-I have activated it and that is that, you claiming that you talk to ex commandos? Hahaha, tells me nothing at all just that you’re a complete lair.

“You can't just say 'It's an explosion no matetr what', because there is a HUGE difference between low explosives, high explosives, mechanical explosives and partial and complete detonations. Find out what that difference is, and THEN you'll understand why you can't detonate ANFO with a firework.”
-It is an explosion no matter what, I was never compareing low explosives to high explosives, so there is no need of that, you’re still getting the wrong impressions. Find out some facts, information and until then you’re still wrong.

Zodiac.

Just depends on what you're using.

It is NOT an explosion no matter what, and that is the ENTIRE POINT.

You keep posting links on how to produce N2O, but you don't actually know what I'm talking about. I didn't bother to specify the exact temperature or time, because I assumed you were familiar with AN compositions. Patently I was wrong. So stop posting links to stuff that has nothing to do with this!

If you think my name is Liam, you're completely wrong, and so wrong it hurts.

You HAVEN'T activated it because you don't even know how! try looking up U.S Patent 4093478.

And you ARE comparing LEs to HEs because you are insisting that you can detonate AN compositions with a firecracker! DETONATING AMMONIUM NITRATE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO BURNING A MIXTURE OF DECOMP PRODUCTS AND A FUEL! LET ME STEP IT DOWN FOR YOU!

A detonation is where a shockwave passes through the composition at faster then the speed of sound, breaking molecular bonds and releasing EXTREME amounts of energy. In ammonium nitrate, this produces ONLY gaseous products when sensitized adequately, and is very stable, requiring the SUPERSONIC energy input to successfully det it.

DEFLAGRATION (i.e Low Explosives) is where a flame front passes across a composition, propogating at high speed but most definetly sub-sonic. It is simply a fast burn. Molten AN releases a chaotic mixture of nitric oxides which act as simple oxidisers on the heated fuel vapours, just like mixing, say, oxygen and acetylene. Gaseous oxidiser and gaseous fuel. Will still produce an explosion, however it is NOTHING compared to a proper ammonium nitrate munition.

THIS IS THE MOST BASIC LEVEL OF EXPLOSIVES THEORY. IF YOU CAN'T EVEN FIGURE IT OUT, YOU HAVE NO PURPOSE HERE.