Sidearms Info

[itismesaj]

Wow, it's been a while since I've made a thread :P.

While there is a "Weapons Info" thread, it only discusses larger firearms, such as assault rifles and carbines. This thread is to discuss smaller firearms, such as pistols and revolvers.

I know little-to-nothing about large firearms, but I do know quite a bit about side arms. Please select your favorite side arm from the list (or you can state one that's not above). If you have questions and I can't answer them, I'm sure PowerstrokeSS will be willing to help :).

You may notice that there is somewhat of a hodgepodge of makers, models, calibres, etc., but I wanted to have a wide variety of stuff. I realize that a lot of older firearms should have a place up there, but a lot of them (and, indeed, some of my favorites) are now only in collector's hands. The above are some of my favorites.

While I like smaller guns, my favorite side arm is the Glock 17 Standard. It's comfortable, light, extre***y reliable, and an all-around good self-defense firearm. I lied before. My favorite is not the 17S, but a variant: the 26S. It's all the goodness of the 17, but in a *very* small package. The reason I didn't put it up there is because the Glock 17 is the most iconic model and therefore more people would recognize it.

If I seem to be scattered I apologize. This is a HUGE topic and I'm trying to give you a taste of everything.

What are your favorites?

[BlackZodiac]

Desert Eagle.50

[itismesaj]

Yeah, I didn't put it up there because I already had a .50 calibre handgun.

[PowerstrokeSS]

Well my favorite pistol has to be the Glock 19 which I was issued standard with PANG. Its a lightweight 9mm that packs a good punch and holds 17 rounds easily, and is capable of fully automatic fire. Thats my favorite pistol only next to the Springfield XD 4'' .40cal. This pistol is the pipnnacle in innovation and shere functionality, and the .40 round puts more energy into a target than a 9mm and a .45cal. My other favorite is the SIG P226 Tactical with suppressor option.

[[ g h o s t ]]

Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

[Ninjaofdeth]

the MK23 was pretty badass.

[PowerstrokeSS]

*Ninjaofdeth, I agree with you, the OWHSof 1991 was great step forward in SOCOM pistol since the 1911 Govt model. This "Tomb Raider" is good gun in a proven caliber, but has a serious problem with its size and weight, making this weapon slightly loadsome to pack with. But a nice weapon either way.

[itismesaj]

@Ghost: I have a Colt M1911 from WWII. It's a beast to fire, and it has some accuracy issues, but the reliability, stopping power, and cheapness of it to make make up for it.

[PowerstrokeSS]

*itismesaj, get a bull barrel for your 1911 with a 1-in-8'' twist. The rifling in the bull barrel greatly increases the accuracy in the .45cal round. There are also other options that are even better but it costs a bit.

[itismesaj]

Thanks, I'll try that :).

[Ninjaofdeth]

someone should make a knife info thing. just to go along with the current trend of various weapons infos. haha

[magicmoose1]

Have half of you ever fired a weapon in your lives? Whoever said the MK23 was good obviously hasn't.

[itismesaj]

I've never shot the MK23, so I wouldn't know. But I have shot the majority of handguns listed in the poll.

[PowerstrokeSS]

Ive shot all in the poll except the INOX, but idk what pistols I havent shot

[metal_head81]

you even got a smile out of him.i dont know shit bout guns but i chose the walther cuz its the best gun ive shot so far.ive shot mostly rifles but the only sidearms ive shot are the walther p22 and the desert eagle .50 cal

[PowerstrokeSS]

my favorite one that i have here is my issue G19

[thedragonforce]

you know ur shit dont you

[PowerstrokeSS]

hanging out with EOD and armory guys on base does that - plus my entire family are gun freaks, and I have like 300 guns so, i know enough

[Ninjaofdeth]

moose. as i've said before, no. i havent. dont you feel like a big boy now that you tried dissing someone with something they have already stated? yaaay. *sings*im a big boy now

[magicmoose1]

When the fuck did you say that? I wasn't trying to insult you anyway, grow up.

[PowerstrokeSS]

just let it go moose, you cant fight ninja - - - or can you???? I suggest we start a smack talking thread so we can vent on people . . . only rule is that is that there are no rules!? :)

[Ninjaofdeth]

in the firearms section.

but i see how you could have been not insulting me. i guess i was just in a defensive mood or something i dont fucking know haha.

naw, powerstroke i believe thats called the bullshit section haha. i never go anywhere but pyro though.

[BadKarma..]

my personal favorite overall would be a S&W .44 mag, but since I'm too damn loyal to S&W i went for the .500.. btw that bitch hurts thewirsts after a while

[Chode_Warrior]

where is the .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world

(I just saw Dirty Harry last night on the history channel lol)

[BadKarma..]

haha. that sayin was true for the time, but now the .500 mag is larger.. the .500 is basically a .50 cal pistol

[[ g h o s t ]]

... Or we could use the .900 nitro express Howdah pistol.

Yesplz.

[ww3sabitur]

12ga shot gun hand gun its got 32 cal around it with a 12ga shot gun shell in themiddle of it

[[ g h o s t ]]

That doesn't make even the teensiest amount of sense.

[A Deo et Rege]

What about a Glock G18/G18C, I find it a very capable sidearm.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee45/adeoetrege1/glock18.jpg

I also think the Walther P38 is a very capable sidearm.

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[DickFinnigan]

Heres some of my choices on revolvers which are
what I prefer simply because of their design and simplicity.
-MP-412 REX .357 Magnum -- Double Action, Russian made, Hard to find, 6 rounds, break-frame design, composite type handle, reasonably lightweight in context, reasonable accuracy considering short barrell
-Korth Combat .357 Magnum -- Double Action, German made, Very expensive, several calibre options, 6 rounds, exceptional accuracy, durablility and reliability, limited production
-Colt King Cobra .357 Magnum -- Double Action, USA made, full length lug and solid rib, traditional ejection, fully adjustable sights, and very versatile
-Colt Anaconda . 44 Magnum (or .45 LC*) -- much like the King Cobra with some differences, vented rib, larger frame/cylinder to accomodate more powerful larger cart*****s, bulky, heavy

Also, a very interesting revolver:
- OTs-38 (OLI-38) -- Double Action, Russian made, extre***y unique in all aspects, fires from bottom of cylinder rather than top, built-in laser sight, makes almost no sound with almost no muzzle flash, cylindrical rounds, cylinder swings open sideways to the right (rather than to the down on the left), safety allows gun to be cocked and ready for accurate first shot along with a quicker draw time (since no cocking is needed).


I have had the privilege to shoot all of these weapons at a local shooting range, at the cost of quite a pretty penny. But it was definitely worth it. I was also able to shoot several other pistols as well as a few semi-auto/auto rifles/assault rifles with the option to shoot many more. What an F*ckin Awesome day that was!

[Ninjaofdeth]

what would the tactical advantage of a revolver be? i mean i can see if you were murdering someone the lack of casings falling out would be good, but it seems as though a semi auto gun with say a 13 or 15 round mag would be more effective, would it not?

also, i have heard that the M1911 is a quality gun, is that true?

[[ g h o s t ]]

Revolvers are good because you keep the brass, as you mentioned, plus they tend to be very reliable. Plus you can pistol whip somebody a lot better with a solid steel .357 mag then with a synthetic glock P.O.S

The downsides are noisier and less capacity... but I prefer 'em anyway.

[Defcon47]

Doesnt anyone like the ruger line ? There no match for the higher cal but Sr9 or the p series are good side arms.

[DickFinnigan]

I'm not saying a revolver is tactically superior I was just mentioning them.
I agree, with ghost though.
Reliability is better and you keep your casings.
I also like that instead of filling up a 15 round clip you only
need to fill up a 5-7 round cylinder and some revolvers
have flat clips to keep the casings all together.
So while you can get more shots off with a 15 round clip
it takes far longer to reload that clip if you dont have another
full one handy and only loose rounds to work with.
Noise and weight is a concern and a double action typically
has a heavier trigger pull than a pistol or a single action revolver.
But Damn! A revolver is so much more classy!!!

[Ninjaofdeth]

i see. good point with the reloading though...without multiple clips with a semi auto non revolver you would be fucked.

i always wondered why, in the early american civil war era when there were revolvers, they didnt incorperate a revolver into a rifle. like i know there were some breach loaders and winchesters later on, but wouldnt it seem logical to make a rifle revolver if you could have one instead of a muzzle loader?

[DickFinnigan]

Ya no doubt! Now THATS a good point!
I never even thought about that before.

[ww3sabitur]

there is a rifle that is a revalor and the gun i was talkin about erlyer its a 6 shot 32cal then in the center of the cilinder is a 12ga shot gun its called the rist braker cuz if u didnt hold/shoot it rite it could brake ur rist

[Defcon47]

Revolvers are ok but when you talk about speed loading you can carry extra clips you load them before you get to a gun fight, that way you drop the clip slap the next one in takes less than a second revolvers (even with a speed loader) a revolver is going to take longer. Not trying to mash any corns but if you use what you like but in a gun fight against multiple target you want to have as many rounds to pump as you can before a reload.

[DickFinnigan]

Thats why i said "if you don't have another one handy"
when i was talking about clips. How often does someone
know that they are gonna be in a gunfight?

[Ninjaofdeth]

hahaha i can totally imagine that everyone thats packing when walking down the street carries about 10 magazines just in case he gets in a gunfight....

hahaha

then again its equally unlikely that one would carry too many revolver "clip" things that make loading faster

idk. when in doubt, use a knife...it cant run out of ammo.

[DickFinnigan]

Never heard the old saying "never bring a knife to a gunfight" ????
Haha.
At least with a revolver you can carry loose rounds with you
and reload you 6 shots quicker that 10 or so into the clip.
But once again it all comes down to preferance.
And carrying a nice blade is always fun too. No one wants to get stabbed.

[DickFinnigan]

A buddy of mine actually got stabbed in the bar
3 times last weekend by another fella.
A dispute between two drug-dealers.

[Ninjaofdeth]

hugs not drugs! hahahaha

yeah...tis a good saying, but if you and i are talking with 2 feet in between us and shit goes down i could prolly draw my SOG trident and shank you as fast or faster than you could cap me. but in a firefight knives are indeed practically useless (combatwise), knives are good for stealth and surprise. if they dont know you are gonna kill them a knife is easier

[Defcon47]

What if the knife you bring to a gun fight is really really big?

[DickFinnigan]

Than you get shot before you can haul that huge-ass knife
over to the other guy and stab him. Might as well have just stayed home.

Ya thats true, its probably quicker or at least easier to jab someone
at a close range than try to blow em away. Plus no one will here you
stab someone whereas when a gunshot is heard, people come (or go) runnin.

[sandman666]

the Pfeifer-Zeliska .600 Nitro Express Magnum is the guns answer to the huge ass knife... its a fucking rifle wit a pistol handle

[A Deo et Rege]

I just bought an 1867 Remington Elliot Derringer .22 rim-fire (pepper-box), and I think it works excellent as a sidearm, especially in close quarters because of its small size.


http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh144/DeusRexRegis/Emoticons/Deo1.jpg

[PowerstrokeSS]

My XD .40 claimed its first blood last night

and as it has it, he pulled a knife on me and i just pulled my peice and wasnt planning on shooting even though i had every intention to if he made a move, which he did

[Pr0t0c0n]

well if i had my choice at it i would want 2 45.cal glocks and a semi-auto 12ga to wear on my back think of it like this getting hit with one load of buckshot is almost the same thing as getting hit with a bunch of 38cal. bullets in the same area at the same time.needless to say things would get messy.

[PowerstrokeSS]

haha i got a new semi 12G - its a HATSAN Escort 12G thats better than the 11-87

[Pr0t0c0n]

sweet.....

[Flame]

Glock. Small, reliable, 9mm is all you need. Two to the chest, one to the head. The situation should not evolve from there.

[Lord Midol]

I've only shot with a 9mm Glock, some kind of revolver and some kind of handgun that was suppose to shoot hard?

Regardless, the only one that was remotely impressive was the glock. It can take a beating without failing.

[BlackEagle]

That's an absolutely pathetic list of sidearms. DE .50? Sounds like someone played too much Counter-Strike. The 1911 isn't up there, even though I don't particularly like them (internal extractor for the lose) they have a great trigger pull. No Sigs? No HKs? No Kel-Tecs?

[SuperVegetaTSF]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.


100% agree!!!

[Raist]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

I was wondering why this gun wasn't on the list. I like you.

[nuked76]

First timer here, gonna pop my cherry easily I 'spose.. I'm gonna go w/the Desert Eagle in the .50 cal. I carry for a concealed the Baby Eagle in the .40 cal made by IMI (Israeli, if they don't know how to make a gun to kill people who would?), and the Sig as my duty sidearm. I know people that still swear by the revolver, but simple function vs. ammo capacity? What should be the deciding factor? I know that if I have a malfunction on my semi, I can still put off 9 rounds quicker than a reload in the middle with a revolver.. Any suggestions/ideas peoples? Thanks for allowing the location for weapon rambling. I love it!

[JakMan32]

based purely on performance, and for its innovative ammunition i go for the FN Herstal Five-Seven pistol. its ugly as shit but its ammo can punch through body armor without AP rounds, but still has stopping power, truly ingenious
http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/fiveseven_3.jpg

[Ninjaofdeth]

ever seen the movie War? those depleted uranium pistol rounds with titanium casings looked badass. would there be any functionality and or posibility of that even being done?

sorry, the above pic reminded me of it....

[Bezelden]

ever seen the movie War? those depleted uranium pistol rounds with titanium casings looked badass. would there be any functionality and or posibility of that even being done?

sorry, the above pic reminded me of it....


there are some guns that use depleted uranium rounds but they have not been fitted to hand guns (as in WAR), this is because the rounds are two heavy and the hand guns do not have enough power to carry them any distance.

The guns they have been fitted two are a couple of sniper rifles and specialist assault weapons, they are also in use in large caliber tank buster rounds. As in Bond 'die another day' which is a real weapon developed by the soviets.

however if u were hit by one of those rounds you would be atomized.

[spartan_slayer]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

i agree, the desert eagle is a piece of shit. i work at a shooting range and ive given up fixing the damn things, especially the 50 cal.my personal favorite is the Sig Sauer p239in .40.

[numerator-91]

based purely on performance, and for its innovative ammunition i go for the FN Herstal Five-Seven pistol. its ugly as shit but its ammo can punch through body armor without AP rounds, but still has stopping power, truly ingenious
http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/fiveseven_3.jpg

yes!!! this is without a doubt, one of the greatest handguns ever made. but you forgot to mention the 20 round clip which means less frequent reloading.

[xXfrillyXunicornXx]

i'm gonna have to say L frame seven-shot Smith & Wesson 686P .357 magnum

it looks freakin' brutal but it's lacking a little in accuracy. powerful though

[GREAT THIEF]

holy shit 20 round clip? you can make that shit into an uzi +.+ lol

[meat]

desert eagle cant be called a sidearm. more like hand cannon. .

[hunter2011]

yes, it can be called a hand cannon, but i would take a p22 before it, well maybe not, but it is un reliable, alot of kick, which is bad for close quarters. The p22 jams alot though too, i shot 100 rounds through one and had 5 jams, thats every 20 shots, i dont want those odds, with my life at stake,

the glock 17 is great imo, a balance of power, accuracy, less recoil, higher capacity, good reliability, so i would choose that from the ones in the poll.

the 1911 is great too, i like it more becuase of the stopping power of the .45 but i guess that is all opinion

[deathlord888]

this big caliber pistols are insane
Smith and Wesson .500 come on
i would go with the one numerator showed i mean anything over a .30
is so damn loud, people could hear it a couple blocks away

[Gauge]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

Uhh, the greatest sidearm ever made is the HK Mark 23 .45
They did the tests. They proved it. I'm a Glock guy and wouldn't pay
that much for a pistol, but, yeah. Look it up.

[eritas]

you cant definitively say what the best sidearm is because it is a matter of preference
accuracy is of more concern to some people
power to others
and some people go solely on looks

[Gauge]

you cant definitively say what the best sidearm is because it is a matter of preference
accuracy is of more concern to some people
power to others
and some people go solely on looks

You know what, you're right.
I've been in these discussions many times before on firearms websites
and they always end with preference, preference, preference.
It's just hard to ignore the HKs statistical domination in a lot of different areas, but you are correct, my man.

[A Deo et Rege]

yes!!! this is without a doubt, one of the greatest handguns ever made. but you forgot to mention the 20 round clip which means less frequent reloading.

Hahaha.....only 20 rounds? That's nothing compared to my Glock 18 which has a 100 round twin-drum magazine. It might make the gun a lot heavier, but the extra weight makes for added stability.


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[Count Chocula]

Hahaha.....only 20 rounds? That's nothing compared to my Glock 18 which has a 100 round twin-drum magazine. It might make the gun a lot heavier, but the extra weight makes for added stability.


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Oh my god....
I hope this is a joke.

[GREAT THIEF]

Yeah seriously...

but then again....

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/45drum40.jpg

[A Deo et Rege]

Here is a video featuring one of the twin-drum magazines equipped on a Glock 18.

Watch the end of the video...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI


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[Count Chocula]

the man shooting that gun is not you
you do not have a Glock 18
you probably don't even have a Glock 17
If you had said airsoft I would have believed you, you clearly know nothing about full auto ownership laws

[Count Chocula]

I didn't say that was me in the video[You're right, my apologies

Furthermore, I don't need to prove myself to you, or anyone for that matter. If you don't believe me--fine. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. well technically true but since the internet is anonymous and full of liars you might want to lest you create for yourself a reputation of being a liar.

I know that you need an FFL to own a fully automatic weaponno, you need an FFL to receive any firearm manufactured after 1900 from out of state. You need an ATF class III dealer license to receive fully automatic weapons from out of state. Automatic firearms fall into three categories, Transferable, Pre-86 dealer sample, and Post 86 dealer sample. Transferable can be owned by anyone over the age of 21 after a 6 month backround check, but registration of transferable firearms ceased when the firearm owners protect act passed in 1986, Pre-86 dealer samples can only be possessed by licensed Class III dealers or Military/LE, but C3 dealers can keep them even after giving up their license. Post 86 samples can only be owned by Military/LE. The Glock 18 was DEVELOPED in 1986 and first sold in 1987, meaning even if your family did own a gun store you still would not be able to have one.

The only reason I have oneyou don't
is that my family owns and operates a gun shop.for some odd reason I doubt this too

[Count Chocula]

Come on, if you're gonna lie, at least be informed about the subject you plan to lie about

As debate for FOPA was in its final stages, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed an amendment to ban the civilian ownership or transfer of any fully-automatic weapon which was not registered by May 19, 1986. However, any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

[Count Chocula]

You think reading wiki is well informed? That is about the most misinformed source you can find. It gets basic facts right

Who said anything about legally owning it?
You did in the post before this

I also have a MK-19, M-60, MG-42, BMG-50 and many other fully automatic weapons along with some KTW bulletsoh wow.

Believe it or not I don't really care. I do own a Glock 18, two actually, one is only semi-autoThen it's not a Glock 18, but the other it full-auto;
Does it really matter?Yes. Come back once you hit puberty

[A Deo et Rege]

I said it was legal to own fully automatic firearms in my state. I did not say that I legally owned said firearm......

I have a SKS which is fully auto, and one that is semi-auto, but it's still an SKS.......

You are the immature individual in this conversation.....

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[Count Chocula]

I said it was legal to own fully automatic firearms in my state. I did not say that I legally owned said firearm......
The only reason I have one is that my family owns and operates a gun shop. that implies you own it legally


I have a SKS which is fully auto, and one that is semi-auto, but it's still an SKS.......SKS was manufactured as semi auto only, Glock 18 was manufactured as full auto. there is no such thing as a semi automatic Glock 18.

You are the immature individual in this conversation.....That may be so, but at least I'm not a liar

[A Deo et Rege]

Ok.....

The truth:

I do not have a FFL, but I am in the process of getting one.

My family, not my immediate family, does indeed own a gun shop where we repair and sell firearms.

You can make a SKS full-auto with a few modifications.

I don't own a Glock 18, but I know someone who does. I however do own a Glock 17C, and the small Glock 27.

I do this from time to time, just to see if anyone is really paying any attention, and for the first time someone actually was. I applaud you on your knowledge of firearm laws.

The other guns I mentioned I actually own(not all of which are full-auto), and the bullets were bought by my father back before they were banned, and he gave them to me.

It's not lying, it's called selective misinformation......

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[Count Chocula]

Good luck getting your FFL
My brothers in pursuit of his C2/07SOT but they're stalling because of his MIP from a few years back.
I have seen FA SKS and there really is no point. SKS's are constantly going up while AKs constantly go down (although this may end soon) And it's easier to convert an AK, and to use one.
I have a G26, and can't even hold on to the little fucker. you may applaud me for my firearms law knowledge but I applaud anyone who can hold on to that shit in .40SW.

[A Deo et Rege]

I've actually had it slip out of my hand before; they are not the easiest guns to hold on to.

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[Ninjaofdeth]

hahahaha you're welcome numerator.

[semperfi556]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

i agree 100%, why is the M1911 not in this poll, a .45 of any kind should be in it.

[Raist]

All of those guns are simply famous guns.

None are even the best of their time.

[glaser06]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

x2. Qualified for my concealed with one. Quite possibly the best handgun of all time (the old "Cowboy Colts" of the 1800 are pretty high up there as well). Another plus: heavy as shit so when you run out of ammo you still have a club (can you tell I don't like Glocks?)

[AssRot]

i love glocks. they feel so damn good in your hand

[redfish]

yea they are a lot of custom grips for the glock line of guns. any one hear of the fn five seven 20 round clip pretty good at punching though vests. only a 1200 dollars ;)

[Cadaver Dog]

Good luck with your plastic POS, guys.

Seriously, fuck Glocks. I want to feel some weight in my hand, some fucking stopping power, not feel like it's Halloween and I'm running around with a gun that lights up when I pull the trigger.

I don't really have a favorite sidearm, though I do love playing with SAA's.

[redfish]

you know that they make a 50gi glock conversion. any gun that holds 8 rounds and shoots 300grain bullets is not a light weight.

[BritishGunFreak]

Count, this is an invite to rape my retarded ass.

[Count Chocula]

What. The. Fuck.
Ok, let's go through this from the beginning.
One: your user name isBritishgunfreak. Handguns are banned from civilian use in Britain. Most people in America have never fired the guns you just named except the M9 and the P99.
Two: Your personal favorites? Are you really qualified to give such reviews having clearly never fired any of the guns you just named?
Three: MK23 suppressed, cheap? If Heckler&Koch sold horseshit for fertilizer they would slap a tac rail on it and charge 3 grand for it. Plus, the Knight's Armament suppressor alone costs $1500, and that's just for the US civilian model for the USP. The government MK23 model works better, and likely costs a lot more.
Four: FN-50 is a modified Mauser 98k made on special order from FN for the Israeli Army. You probably misspelled FN-5.7 in your pre-pubescent confusion.

[claymore]

whoa that was brutal but true.

[Count Chocula]

Nothing is too brutal for world.guns.ru masturbating n00bz.

[deathlord888]

lol see this guy should be weapons mod he puts me to shame

[I_AM_LEGEND]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

I'll second that, I have a Kimber TLE II in stainless I carry pretty much everyday with my concealed carry license, it's accurate as hell and runs beautifully with no hiccups... Just traded a crappy ass Maadi AK yesterday for a S&W 360 scandium .357 with CT lasergrips. Talk about a light gun, you don't even realize it's in your pocket....


The Deagles are pretty much useless, recoil too much for quick follow up shots, expensive hard to find ammo, low mag capacity and weigh about 3 times too much to be feasible as a sidearm. I guess it's cool if your a high school kid to ooh and ahhh over but the real world isn't like the movies, I'd love to see someone where it in a holster all day, plus in a firefight, the Deagle is about the last handgun you would want to have... The 1911 is going on 100 yrs and still going strong, once you have one in your hands, no other pistol seems to fit as nice....

[Count Chocula]

Desert Eagles don't weigh 3 pounds too much. The weight helps alleviate the recoil.... A real shooter would know this.

[I_AM_LEGEND]

Desert Eagles don't weigh 3 pounds too much. The weight helps alleviate the recoil.... A real shooter would know this.

You're correct that it does help alleviate the recoil, my point, which I guess I didn't make clear, is that a Deagle is too heavy and too big to considered feasible for concealed carry or even to be used for tactical purposes, a 9mm, 40 S&W or 45 ACP would be a much more viable options for better accuracy, more mag capacity and quicker follow up shots... Don't be so quick to call someone out with a different opinion, I'm certainly not naive or ignorant about firearms, especially handguns, as you implied. I'm an avid shooter and gun collector with a concealed carry license and have a sidearm on me the majority of the time. As I stated before, Deagles are good for blowing up water***ons and impressing high school kids, they're not good for much else besides maybe hunting. As for my preference of a sidearm, I prefer my Kimber 1911 or my H&K USPc with my S&W 360 w/ lasergrips for backup...

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/170f737ac9.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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[Count Chocula]

Thank you for posting pictures, I'm sorry for my reaction but you wouldn't believe the retards that we get on this site, especially in weapons. That airweight is going to be a bitch to shoot...

[I_AM_LEGEND]

I know, I'm certainly a noob here but I've definately seen the ignorant posts from high schoolers saying if they were in a firefight they'd want a Deagle and all kinds of other ignorant, naive posts, especially towards firearms from people who only know what they see in video games and movies. As for the recoil on the S&W 360, I haven't shot it yet but I've read reports about the monster recoil, I'll probably stick with .38 special for practice and only load up the .357's for concealed carry. I bought a Maadi MISR-90 AK with 2 hi cap mags, a 5 rounder and case for $350 off a kid who just wanted some money for a turbo kit on his car, I then traded it for the S&W 360 with lasergrips in like new condition. The guy said he only shot like 5 rounds through it and gave me a box of .357 shells with 5 missing, I imagine he shot one cylinder and decided he didn't like the recoil. Works for me tho, I'll take a $800 gun with $175 lasergrips for $350.

[marcraft]

apologise for the necro but i couldnt let this slide...


idiot the 500 Smith and Wesson is in 500SW not .50AE thats a 1800 footpound of force different , the 500 SW is more then twice as powerful as the .50 AE


AND the .44 Remington Magnum was only the most powerful production handgun from 1955-1956 . the .454 casull was introduced in 1957 and it was FAR more powerful then the .44mag

the most powerfull current production (not handloaded) loads for handguns are as follows

cart***** , FtLb force in most powerful common load

.450 Marlin 4620 (Magnum Reaserch BFR)

.500 SW 3032

.460 SW MAG 2860

.454 Casull 2003

.44 MAG 1500

.50AE 1229

10mm 767

followed by .45acp and .357sig (yes the .357sig is more powerfull then the .357mag)

[Count Chocula]

God where did all these pricks come from. WE NEED PHOENIX BACK!!!!!!!!!

[djcollins]

A lot of people said Desert Eagle..though I don't think anyone owns one. I am a fan of the glock.

[I_AM_LEGEND]

;113922']Desert Eagle is a piece of shit.

Far and away, the greatest sidearm ever conceived and equipped to forces was the Colt M1911. The .45 round had tremendous stopping power, and for use against armoured foes could be fitted with AP rounds. Plus, as the bullet was naturally subsonic and external silencer proved extre***y effective.

Amen to that... the Deagle IS a POS and if Jesus had a CCL, he'd carry a 1911.

Love this thread.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=50421

[I_AM_LEGEND]

A lot of people said Desert Eagle..though I don't think anyone owns one. I am a fan of the glock.

That's because a lot of people watch too many movies and play Call of Duty 4and think it spills over to real life...

[marcraft]

the Degal sucks in Cod4 , the 9mm beretta 92 pawns it every time. and i agree with the fact people choose it because it looks cool and is in too many movies. only way id buy one is if i won some money and they sold it in 10mm. the .50AE standard load bullet is soo heavy (325 grains) and soo slow (1305 fps) that the bullet drop is ridiculous at even 50 yards, and the standard load only produces 1229 FtLb force. the bullet is too wide to penetrate a class 2A or 3 vest (with trauma plate) and the recoil is stupid. aswell as the fact it costs soo much for a single round (not sure current prices). i will admit it looks really cool though...

in cod4 the first shot from any weapon is as if fired from a 50 inch cryogenicly treated barrel with 4X the powder load (it always is 100% accurate and shoots strait at any distance with no drop or swerve) the game is fun but people think its realistic , which it isnt.

and i just read on a rather popular (like 8000 active members) guns forum (forget which one) that if you polish down all the internal parts of a glock untill theyr like 25% thinner the glock will sometimes fire in bursts of auto, anyone here ever experience that? i have a hard time beliving it but it was a very good forum so i really dont know...

[I_AM_LEGEND]

well I've always had good luck with the Deagle in COD4, seems like its a one shot kill most the time on hardcore but I usually use the 1911 b/c I'm kind of a 1911 snob, I'll use the USP as well since I have a USP compact. I can't get my wireless network adapter to work and am having serious COD4 withdrawals, I truly love that game. I think my favorite moment was on Crossfire when I got a head shot on a sniper at the opposite end of the map with a uzi and red dot sight, he wouldn't stop talking about it after the game, it was pretty funny b/c it was so ridiculous...

[marcraft]

i assign the fire button to the scroll wheel and i can fire the barretta dry in a second or 2. with the double tap perk i can fire all 18 in less then 1 second. that game does not have ballistics atall. neither does Cod5. best game for realistic weapons was farcry 2 singleplayer on the hardest difficulty.

funny thing on cod5, the S&W .357 is 4X as powerfull as the 1911 .45 when in real life the .45 is more powerfull. you can see what i mean if you get the .357 in the random weapon crate on the zombie map.

[semperfi556]

A .357 MAGNUM is more powerful than a .45ACP.....

[marcraft]

the most powerfull load you can buy for the .357 mag is a 130 grain Jacketed Hollow Point that fires at 1410 fps , which produces 574 footpounds of force

the most powerful load you can buy for the .45 acp is a 200 grain Speer Gold Dot Jacketed Hollow Point that fires at 1150 fps producing 587 footpounds of force

last i checked 587 was a higher number then 574
unless you know about a more powerfull load , and if you do please tell me the manufacturer so i can look it up.


edit

Double Tap also has a 165gr load rated at 643 ft/lbs for the .45acp but its not as close to as common as the 200gr so i didnt get it the first time , so the gap between .357mag and .45acp is even greater.

[semperfi556]

Keeping looking then, because they make a 180g FMJ bullet for the .357 magnum. And although it is the KE that kills something, there's more too it than that, like penetration.

[marcraft]

wow buffelo bore makes a .357 180gr at 1508 fps, costs a fortune and might destroy your revolver if you shoot it enough but it is more powerful. the thing is though that its a Very uncommon special order round , and if were going into that then id have to look up the most powerfull rounds for the 60 calibers i have listed, i just dont think thats worth all time itd take since your almost never going to encounter that round on the street. and all the disadvantages of using a round like that in a relatively light .357 revolver (a featherweight not a 686 style) like muzzle jump, trauma shock to your arms, the fact you actually have to aim the gun again after each shot, the fact cheeper .357's arnt designed to take that kind of pressure etc. and if your getting a L frame S&W revolver why not a .44 mag which is cheaper to shoot and far more powerful by any standard.

and unless i go hunting for a ridiculously powerful .45acp load that makes you right. i admit defeat , i should have worded my posts better.

[semperfi556]

You didn't have to explain all that shit, I know the deal, but shooting a soft target, other than a person because a .357 and a .45acp both will fuck up a person, but a larget animal, the .357 is gonna have much more penetration, but I'd never buy a .357 I love .45acp.

[marcraft]

i wouldnt even buy a .45acp normally, i personally like the overclocked or 'high' 10mm. no need to doubletap cause the first ones going through the vest and and maby even out the other side if the FMJ has a thick enough coating or is hardened. id never buy a .357 or a .44 unless i needed a gun fast, i love the .454 casull.
it all depends on who you think youl be shooting at. if its people with II or III-A armor im tempering a steel rod with my oxy-acetylene torch (not modern but cheep and it works) and a rose bud tip, cutting it by hand and doing the shaping on a lathe. if im worried about druggies its a jacketed hollow point. if im worried about a hit squad coming i want a 30 round high cap glock 9mm with AP rounds, preferrebly with the internal parts of the glock polished down so it shoots in bursts (i still cant belive the glock will fire bursts if you file it down) or a benelli R1 in 300 WSM and 10 round mags, preferably both.

and back on the sidearms note i LOVE the colt double eagle in 10mm double action, i think i might buy one instead of the kimber eclipse , fucking beautiful gun. Do you know any gunsmiths that will make and install new higher quality parts for a colt 1911? , because i dont belive in under achieving rounds (IPSC habits) , i use near max psi loads. and you can imagine how much itd suck if your new gun broke on the 100th round.
i personally wont support any handgun that isnt double action for one reason, hostage taking. if you take a hostage you need to have the trigger pulled and your thumb holding back the hammer so they dont just shoot you in the head. and so that if they do you get some little revenge.

and legend , is that a leatherman wave in your pic ? my dad gave me one for my 12th birthday , my first knife.

[Count Chocula]

That's not even close to how you make a glock fire in bursts. And one handgun round will rarely kill someone unless it pierces something vital.

[shivam1992]

lol ill try it to jk lol

[DannyWaste]

My favorite isn't listed. Sig 228 in 9MM. The older models are my favorite, no rail system, and the size of it fits better in my hand than the 226 I owned.

[Phoenix Fire]

Snub nosed S&W .500 with a gator grip.
Comes in the bear survival kit.
Maybe 1 round doesn't "kill" but I bet I could take an arm off with it

[skull]

Sig P220 (.45 ACP), Sig P226 (9mm), or a Glock model 20 (10mm Auto)

[Hebrow]

The IMI Barak Pistol
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/barak.jpg

Takes 9mm luger, .40 S&W, AND .45

This thing is like the AK-47 of pistols!

[Count Chocula]

Baby eagle, M1911a1, Glocks, and many others take those calibers and more. Plus, I'm guessing from that picture it's a rotating barrel setup and those are pretty much gimmicks that never work. Looks like the slide exterior is polymer which is never good and that looks like a proprietary rail. My guess would be this is a toy similar to the Desert Eagle.

[Hebrow]

The Barak is the flagship of the newest lines of the IMI, along with the IMI Tavor Rifle, it works on the same principle.

The Barak is easily broken down, re-assembled, built to take as many accessories and tactical modifications as possible, can be re-assembled ergonomicly to left handed shooters, takes little maintenance, and is extre***y resilient.

[skull]

The IMI Barak Pistol
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/barak.jpg

Takes 9mm luger, .40 S&W, AND .45

This thing is like the AK-47 of pistols!

same here:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php
and here:
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/swmp_032906/
and here:
http://www.glock.com/

Its not the first of its kind.

[Buff410]

The IMI Barak Pistol
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/barak.jpg

Takes 9mm luger, .40 S&W, AND .45

This thing is like the AK-47 of pistols!

I don't trust anything without an external hammer. I just like them better. My CZ is chambered in 9mm. I would just get Hydrashocks and I would be good to go. Right now I am shooting FMJ to break it in... I guess it's broken in, but I just shoot FMJ for fun... haha... at rabbits... and squirrels... and birds...

Anyway, here ya go: CZ-75 SP01 Tactical
http://static.cz-usa.com/czusa/product-images/286/main286_png_637x200_q85.png
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-sp-01-tactical/

It's a real tack-driver. I can put 5 shots at 30 yards in a 2" group with iron sights. Recoil is nice, and it's all steel. Haven't had 1 FTF or FTE since I got it, and it has had 1,000+ rounds through it.

[DBMRufus]

Glock. Lightweight with little kickback, and packs a decent punch for it's size.

I also love how people are only voting for the two trademark "I saw this in a videogame once" guns.