Best Form of Government

[itismesaj]

I just wanted to hear your thoughts, and why.

You might laugh at me, but I chose oligarchy. Why? Because it creates a stable and running government, where people always know who's in charge. It simplifies life, allowing people to focus more on their careers, families, etc. No bickering about who's in charge, because it's always the same people in charge.
Do I really believe that? No. But I think it throws a twist in the everyday "Democracy" or "Communism" debates. It's definately an interesting type of government.

[A Deo et Rege]

On paper or in practice?

[itismesaj]

To me, on paper it seems awful (an elite group of people? WTF?), but in practice it has worked before. For a short time, pretty much every country has been an oligarchy at one point or another. It eventually leads to Democracy (OBO) anyway.

[A Deo et Rege]

Well let me rephrase the question; Do you want the best form of government on paper or the best form of government in practice because due to these factors my answer will vary drastically.

[rebelmarine08]

No Fascism? What's wrong with a little Fascism?


I personally prefer Democracy... But I would love one based more on German democratic practices. And Canada has over 8 major political parties! (I hate two party democracy.) Nowadays it's like choosing between an enema and an ass-raping... Neither are pleasant.

[itismesaj]

In practice, A Deo.

And Beaurocracy covers Fascism, rebelmarine. All types of "WTF?" governments fall under that category :P.

[rebelmarine08]

I'm not so much for the ethnicity based control and interest... But the needs of the state over all others makes sense to me... But that may be because I'm a direct branch of the state....?

[itismesaj]

Could be :P.

I'm personally a by-the-book Libertarian, so I believe the needs of the individual should be paramount. But I believe all forms of government could work (as in my post in "Anarchy").

[rebelmarine08]

Libertarian sounds great. I'd love a canidate to run that is all about the individual, and not who gave the most money.. And Fred Thompson is as close as we're going to get.

[A Deo et Rege]

I voted for Democracy, go figure, like you said itismesaj an oligarchy eventually leads to a democracy so I just cut out the middle man.

P.S. The reason I asked if you meant on paper or in practice is that communism is the best form of government on paper, but when you add the human element the lust for power corrupts the government and destroys all hopes of it ever prospering.

[A Deo et Rege]

Do you agree with what Thomas Jefferson said, "That government which governs least, governs best."

[itismesaj]

Yes... to a point. I don't care about having a large government, but I do care whether I am in complete control of my life or not. What I'm getting at is that a government could be small, yet not be as good for the people as a large government.

[Rasta_Man]

I chose a Democracy type government. I like the Checks and Balances system, that way no one person or counsel gets to much power. I would throw away the Electoral College and replace it with Majority Wins. I don’t mind the idea of electing a single person (or maybe a council) to represent our country. I would also make a simpler and more easily accessible way to vote. What’s the point of having a Democracy if half the people don’t vote? It’s the poorer class that’s not voting ether; those are the people who really need a voice in politics.

[rebelmarine08]

actually it's the age groups of 18-28 that have the lowest voting percentages....

And I like the electoral college. Do you really want ALL those dumb ass Podunk sister fucking idiots voting for our president? And the checks and balances work to an extent. Politicians have been real bad about enforcing them in the last 50 years. Did you know we haven't officially been at war since 1945?

Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Liberia, Somalia, Desert Shield, Desert Storm... All technically policing acts since the presidents of the times sent troops in, but congress never declared a state of war to exsist.

Somehow, we are still technically at war with N. Korea though. Armistice is just a temporary halt of war, but the fact that we were never actually at war would make the Armistice null and void, correct?

[midnight_curse]

My belief is that the best form of a goverment is a commi dictatorship.
everyone has somthing they do for the reigon and everyone knows who is in control. and if you don't like what is happening. kill the dictator and do it your damn self :) easy.

[huffman0]

well midnight, communism is a good idea on paper with everyone getting the same and everyone working the same but when you put it into practice, there is when the problems start... people in the power positions end up obviously with more benefits, and people who can't work mess up the program. ya when it was started it was a good idea but then pretty much everyone who tried it failed at it...

a good novel about communism is Animal Farm by George Orwell, not a bad book either

[MethuselahGunslinger]

Democracy/Republic
And if anybody rigs the election or starts cracking down on the people through legislative laws....VOTE FROM THE ROOFTOPS.

[bengron]

Communism is the best.
People say it will never work, but it just hasn't been done right yet and because it was done so badly, now it has a bad name.

[Futbolmaster18]

Totalitarian? (China) Haha im just messin.

I say Demo. obviously its workin, or we wouldn't be the most power nation in the world. ( although we have plenty of problems )

[superflysuperwhite]

do people not realise the U.S. ISNT A DEMOCRACY

we're a constitutional republic, we use democracy but we are not a democracy

ps. constitutional republic for me, not toomuch power and freedom but enough to keep everyone happy.... for the most part some of you fuckers are a bit too greedy

[LNT-5265F]

since when is bureaucracy (dumbasses don't even know how to spell) a form of government? bureaucracy is government. the two are synonymous.

[metal_head81]

No Fascism? What's wrong with a little Fascism?


I personally prefer Democracy... But I would love one based more on German democratic practices. And Canada has over 8 major political parties! (I hate two party democracy.) Nowadays it's like choosing between an enema and an ass-raping... Neither are pleasant.

nicely stated.i could'nt agree more.....except for the fascist part.

[olio66]

There are plenty of govenments that would all theoretically work but when the human element enters the equation, most stop working; communism, for one example. So in real life, the best form of government must be readily changeable and comprehensive. My idea of the optimal government is a democracy almost like our own; only instead of one chief executive, there are three: one from each branch of the government, and each elected by popular vote without the electoral college.

[itismesaj]

olio, there are three Heads of State in the US. The President, the Speaker of the House, and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

[olio66]

Yeah yeah yeah there are three heads of state and [I]theoretically[I] there should be a balance of power between them, but theory and reality are different. The legislative and judical branches have started answering to the president alone; so, instead of just one president to make decsions, i thought we could try three... now don't get all twisted if you think theres are problem with this cause there is. there are many, but if you think about it, it could be worth a try

[ISAW]

LOL. I must laugh that you didnt include "Anarchy"
I am not surprised the posters will say they vote fotr "Democracy" because they think they live in one. Many democracies like the US for example have very evolved local representationa nd personal fredom but on a national scale could be said to borrow from oligarchy or fudalism. Also one could in theory have communism and also have a democracy. But one could have facism and
democracy. Mind you I do go along with democracy being the worst form of government - apart form all the other ones. Im not voting for it in this poll though since you don't really know what you are voting for.

[A Deo et Rege]

LOL. I must laugh that you didnt include "Anarchy"
I am not surprised the posters will say they vote fotr "Democracy" because they think they live in one. Many democracies like the US for example have very evolved local representationa nd personal fredom but on a national scale could be said to borrow from oligarchy or fudalism. Also one could in theory have communism and also have a democracy. But one could have facism and
democracy. Mind you I do go along with democracy being the worst form of government - apart form all the other ones. Im not voting for it in this poll though since you don't really know what you are voting for.

Anarchy government???????? That's an oxymoron isn't it? The reason Anarchy was not included is that it is not a form of government; it is the absence of government, or political disorder and confusion.

P.S. you type like a dyslexic person with parkinson's disease:D

[oioioipunk1]

ANARCHY!!! fuck the government! i dont want eny fucking government!

[Due ex machina]

Thats because your an idiot...

anarchy will not work and is a stupid idea

grow up

[vicious-vegan]

Way to spoil his dreams.

[now i know]

yes, anarchy is not a form of government.

though anarchy is possible, seeing how it is possible to get rid the parts of human nature contradicting it.

though it is near impossible on any large scale. though it could happen very well on a small scale.

[brennan6632]

haha seriously guys why is the forum called anarchist cook book if it really is only for people who want about an hour of anarchism so in other time they can be the governments bitch

[Kasnia]

1-Anarchy won't work.
2-It's called "Anarchist Cookbook" basically to bring people in.
3-Don't reply to this, because it's a DEAD THREAD. Let it die.

[TheBlackParty]

id said social libritarian democracy!!! FTW!!

[londorondo]

the best form of government is no government.

[Kasnia]

God I love how people pay attention. -_-

[superflysuperwhite]

i dont know if i already have aid this but iunno i feel like i should right now.

without the government who would fund research for cure for desieses.

who will take care of the elderly when they retire.

who will make sure people can buy a house even if they are a single mother.

who will make it illegal for companies to bait and switch.

who will put away the rapist and sex offenders.

who will proviode welfare.

who will provide education.

no government will inhibit any progress and just throw us back into the dark ages (but hell even then their was a gov't)

[v8godfather]

yes, anarchy is not a form of government.

though anarchy is possible, seeing how it is possible to get rid the parts of human nature contradicting it.

though it is near impossible on any large scale. though it could happen very well on a small scale.

Of course it can happen ona small scale.... look at all those countries in Africa prefect example of Anarchy on a small scale but take how they live and multiply that 20 fold (give or take some[i could be wrong{if you think I am post it}]) and you have Anarchy on a large scale multiply a large scale by the same amount or more and you have what worldwide Anarchy would be like =========!!BAD!!


Ohh and personally under the right conditions communism is the best IMO

[superflysuperwhite]

Of course it can happen ona small scale.... look at all those countries in Africa prefect example of Anarchy on a small scale but take how they live and multiply that 20 fold (give or take some[i could be wrong{if you think I am post it}]) and you have Anarchy on a large scale multiply a large scale by the same amount or more and you have what worldwide Anarchy would be like =========!!BAD!!


Ohh and personally under the right conditions communism is the best IMO



those countries arnt anarchist countries they have governments but they have very little power because most of the countries are in civil wars and are being mannipulated by war lords.

and communisim works.... on paper.

[v8godfather]

Well everything works on paper almost nothing works in reality. I wouldnt even consider those small countries governed by a central gov't. If you think about it in an anarchist country small groups of people would form to try and take power over everyone else (human nature). That small group of people is pretty much what the gov't of those small countries are.

[AssRot]

Why isnt Anarchy on that list? Well I guess Anarchy is technically the absence of government, and therefore not a form of it.

[chicoine666]

i'd personally prefer a clan based government, where each clan or family has a ruler and all the rulers form a council when large scale decisions are needed

[Exploding_viper]

ANARCHY!!! fuck the government! i dont want eny fucking government!


human nature will cause true anarchy to fail. anarchy is the absence of government,but government in turn can be simplified down to groups with power. humans, animals, plants, even chemicals, down to the cells and atoms, will divide into groups based and preferences and capabilities. so these groups will form and rise to power, thus forming a governement.

o what psychology and civics will do to a mans brain

[Cap'n]

democracy= two wolves and and a lamb deciding whats for dinner

[OMGThePeSt]

democracy= two wolves and and a lamb deciding whats for dinner

Hahaha, i'll have to remember that one.

Eh' I don't agree with government, but, I guess theres no real way of getting rid of it, but i'm still not going to bring myself to picking a side......I just ride the fence, wing it and decide whats best for me and mine along the way.

[iwanttokillyou]

whiteism for me

[A Deo et Rege]

whiteism for me

That's not a form of government; it's a made up word used to describe white on black hatred. If anything it would be a philosophy or maybe an ideology, but not a form of government.


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[Dylanheadbangs]

I voted for Democracy but i ALMOST chose communism because communism gives people EQUAL pay, EQUAL land ownership and EQUAL rights. but communism has always failed because of human's insticnt to want more then what they have.

[filmdude42]

I'm a libertarian.

closest thing i can get to getting the government out of my shit.

Bob Barr '08

[Viva la Guevara]

I voted for Democracy but i ALMOST chose communism because communism gives people EQUAL pay, EQUAL land ownership and EQUAL rights. but communism has always failed because of human's insticnt to want more then what they have.
thats bull shit
communism is bullshit
why should the janitor make the same as the freakin doctor
its takes more work to be a doctor
but it takes the intelligence quota of a 8 year old to be a janitor

[Kasnia]

thats bull shit
communism is bullshit
why should the janitor make the same as the freakin doctor
its takes more work to be a doctor
but it takes the intelligence quota of a 8 year old to be a janitor

Okay, let's say it takes a lot of intelligence to be a doctor. Then why are there so many doctors? So many people get fucked over in a hospital. They go in to get one thing fixed, and come out needing 5 more things done. Not saying you're wrong about the janitor thing, just saying stating a point about the doctors.

[Viva la Guevara]

what well you need to go through years of medical training
even if doctors mess you up
(which never happend to anyone i know) they still should get more than a clerk or a janitor

[superflysuperwhite]

but it takes the intelligence quota of a 8 year old to be a janitor


with word use like this, your right on your way to being a ganator

[Viva la Guevara]

intelligence quota is I.Q
=P
you spelt janitor wrong
=D

[superflysuperwhite]

oh yeah, i was thinking of qouta as in the amount thing like a racial qouta or something like that. plus i dont believe in I.Q.

and yeah i did, i butchared that word. oh well

[Kasnia]

what well you need to go through years of medical training
even if doctors mess you up
(which never happend to anyone i know) they still should get more than a clerk or a janitor

I know. But what I'm saying is, just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean that they're intelligent. They could be in the bottom 5% of their class, just barely graduated, something like that.

And being a janitor doesn't mean you're stupid. Someone could just REALLY like to clean. I've considered being a maid for the simple fact that I love to clean so much. I could easily have a well paying career in another field, but that doesn't mean I want it, and it surely doesn't mean I'm an idiot.

[superflysuperwhite]

good will hunting. yeah

also janitors, do more then just clean, some have to repair things that a doctor would blow his head off if was ever asked to do.

doctors tend to suck at spelling and writeing too.

[Viva la Guevara]

yeah..i did miss that point.....
>>
but ok an engineer they shouldent be paid the same as lets say a secretary (not saying anything about intelect) but there job importance
as an engineer you have to be math wiz (which is rare among this gen)
and as a secretary you can be very smart and well minded but shouldent get paid the same as some one who can construct vital structures and other things to our world
as a secretay you serve to some one who serves another so and so on
that doesnt seem important enough to make more than an engineer
so the engineer should be able to make more since the secretary didnt do as well as him/her
BTW-
i realized i messed up with the IQ thing i wasnt trying to change the subject
oh and not a train driver =DD

[superflysuperwhite]

w/e i do totally agree with you, and thats one of the reasons i hate communisim.

[Kasnia]

yeah..i did miss that point.....
>>
but ok an engineer they shouldent be paid the same as lets say a secretary (not saying anything about intelect) but there job importance
as an engineer you have to be math wiz (which is rare among this gen)
and as a secretary you can be very smart and well minded but shouldent get paid the same as some one who can construct vital structures and other things to our world
as a secretay you serve to some one who serves another so and so on
that doesnt seem important enough to make more than an engineer
so the engineer should be able to make more since the secretary didnt do as well as him/her
BTW-
i realized i messed up with the IQ thing i wasnt trying to change the subject
oh and not a train driver =DD

Basically everyone serves a purpose and every just is just as good as another. Why are teachers paid so much lower than everyone else, yet they're probably needed more than anyone else out there?

PS- I do agree with you that people are needed more than others in certain careers, I just didn't like how you went about explaining the money thing earlier.

[Viva la Guevara]

wait did you vote on communism?
because i really dont like everyone gets the same land thing either
i think that socialism is better then communism
although the diffrence is little its more for the peoples

[Kasnia]

wait did you vote on communism?
because i really dont like everyone gets the same land thing either
i think that socialism is better then communism
although the diffrence is little its more for the peoples

I haven't voted for anything yet because I find pros and cons in all of them and could narrow it down, but never decide on which is better.

[A Deo et Rege]

wait did you vote on communism?
because i really dont like everyone gets the same land thing either
i think that socialism is better then communism
although the diffrence is little its more for the peoples

Well, I have been watching this thread for some time, and for the most part the posts have been mindless dribble, but the recent posts have intrigued me. I will add my knowledge of the topic into the conversation and see if I can't weed out any misconstrued notions of knowledge. First and foremost I would like to point out the differences between Communism and Socialism. Communism advocates the collective ownership of property and the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. While Communism is first and foremost an economic system, it is also a political ideology that rejects religion. The irony is that Communism supposedly attempts to enhance civility within society, but removes all notions of Absolute Morality, the very cornerstone of civility. Furthermore, after Communism is instituted by the people, the system becomes Totalitarian, resulting in greater oppression of the people it was designed to "serve." This fact is well documented throughout the history of Communist nations. The practical results of Communism have been horror and atrocity for those under communist rule. So much so, advocates of Marxism have made every attempt to point out where communist leaders have strayed from the fundamental teachings of Karl Marx, in an attempt to absolve Communism. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied that Marxist influence brought about many of these horrors. The irony is, Marxism renounces religion, not because of religious doctrine, but because of the actions of "religious" men. No one could accuse a religion such as Christianity of evil doctrine. However, it seems that men are intrinsically evil and need only an opportunity to express this inherent reality. One must look at the overall outcome of a philosophical doctrine on society, both good and bad, not specific instances of abuse. Christianity, for example, has been used by wicked men to do much evil, but its underlying doctrine has been the cause of much good in the world. Communism, on the other hand, has brought only atrocity into the world. Communism has not brought relief to the majority as promised, nor has it ended oppression as purposed. Communism has only served to remove Morality from the masses -- a dangerous and costly experiment. And just as communism is a form of socialism -- Marxism, Maoism, and Leninism are branches of communism. Also, the word "Communism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "Socialism;" However, the two aren't the same -- Communism is a more extreme form of Socialism.

However, Socialism is an economic system in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. Unlike Communism, Socialism does not do away with religion, and in doing so helps save the civility of society. Socialism is a much less radical approach to a centralized economic system than Communism. With a centralized economy the gap between the upper and lower classes begins to close because the overall wealth is spread more efficiently throughout society. In modern societies, socialism often attempts to eradicate class divisions, and most cases has proven to lessen the gap between the upper and lower classes. However, There is a thing as too much socialism. In order for a nation to truly prosper it's economic system must contain somewhat equal parts of Socialism and Capitalism. Full Socialism will not support a massive economy, while Capitalism provides a "backbone" on which the social sector is supported. Without some Capitalism a Socialists economy would collapse during a recession for the lack of a private sector to sustain the economy. I will admit there are pros and cons to both, but together the pros outnumbers the cons.


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[Viva la Guevara]

well.....that was a large splurge of intellect

[Dylanheadbangs]

thats bull shit
communism is bullshit
why should the janitor make the same as the freakin doctor
its takes more work to be a doctor
but it takes the intelligence quota of a 8 year old to be a janitor

and that is EXACTLY the reason communism fails every single time.

[Durandal4]

I would say communism or oligarchies look best on paper. According to my AP Euro History Teacher, many of the major communist societies didn't pay exact amounts to everyone. Doctors still recieved more payment than say a janitor (just using the previous examples), but the pay difference was a much smaller difference in comparison to ours. Also, According to Karl Marx, the perfect communistic society will arrise once a nation has achieved a peak in its industrialization. That is obviously impossible in reality because everyday newer, better things are being developed, so technically "peak industrialization" is impossible, preventing a succesful communist society from working. I believe Oligarchy would be the best because in "today's" time, I wouldn't trust half of the meatheads in America to choose a leader. I would prefer the educated, yet diverse, group of leading officials.

As a response to the other posts, I don't understand how total Anarchy is even possible on paper. Due to basic human nature, there will always be someone controlling others wether from fear or promises of fortune or even for "honor" (Japan's former Dyanastic System of governemt)

Someone also mentioned Facsism. Seriously? I thought Facsism is like a prequal to Communism?

[123CathyLee]

I picked Communism because I don't believe in social hierarchy. In Communism everyone is the same, no middle class no lower class and I absolutely love that! There are no "poor people" and there are no "rich people" there should just be people, and I believe that's what Communism tries to create.

[A Deo et Rege]

In Communism everyone is the same, no middle class no lower class and I absolutely love that!

I love having to live out my life as just another cog in the machine too.....O.o *sarcasm*

There are no "poor people"

True, because when everybody is poor no one seems to notice.....


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[Faust]

I voted Communism,as there was no Socialism on the poll. However, looking back on it, I would have rather preferred there have been a Technocracy choice. A technocracy is a government run by experts.(i.e., the economy is regulated by economists, social policy is decided by political scientists, the health care system is run by medical professionals, with the branches of the government working together and sharing knowledge to maximize the performance of each in as equal a way as is feasible.(-Wikipedia) as opposed to voting them in.)

[abbondante]

communism, a spoiled kid that gets everything and suddenly finds that something was taken from him will lash out and be uncooperative whereas a kid growing up with little to nothing with strict rules and regulations will be thankfull for anything he gets and content with anything he has for he knows nothing of what he doesnt have.

[superflysuperwhite]

communism, a spoiled kid that gets everything and suddenly finds that something was taken from him will lash out and be uncooperative whereas a kid growing up with little to nothing with strict rules and regulations will be thankfull for anything he gets and content with anything he has for he knows nothing of what he doesnt have.


you think so really? cus i can tell you for a fact that is bullshit, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!

let me ask you something do you know this from personal experience? probably not because if you actually grew up with little to nothing and strict rules you'd know that what you said is bullshit.

trust me im no where content with what i have.

[abbondante]

Its an analogy not meant to be taken literally as written or personally. I am not speaking of one actual kid but a general population of people if you notice china is the longest lasting empire and united states is fairly new but very much like rome, there freedoms and luxurious lives where slowly being taken away by the affects of war. war itself did not destroy rome, the very people of rome corrupted and took over from the inside allowing the barbarians to take controll with ease

[imaguy]

i dont think there ever will be a perfect goverment. The best we have is probly democracy. But that can go pear shaped aswell. Monarchy is just out of date. Communism will not work, too much room to manipulate and abuse. I do not know enough about some of the others. I will need to read up on them first then give a more educated answere

[Xavier_Blackstone]

Let The ruling class Tremble at the communistic revolution.
The workers have nothing to lose but their chains.
They have a world to win.
working men of all countries Unite!

who says communism can't work perfectly?.....oh right, history
bah, join the party, who cares

[abbondante]

In concept all forms of goverment should work well, but it is the corruption and greed that will make any form of goverment crumble.

[straightedgepunk123]

I like democratic socialism. Do you know how smoothly Norway is running right now? But I have to live in the states...

[meat]

alot of governments work in theroy, but few work in real life. theroy depends on people to be good. but that wont happen. democracy works best.

[meat]

Its an analogy not meant to be taken literally as written or personally. I am not speaking of one actual kid but a general population of people if you notice china is the longest lasting empire and united states is fairly new but very much like rome, there freedoms and luxurious lives where slowly being taken away by the affects of war. war itself did not destroy rome, the very people of rome corrupted and took over from the inside allowing the barbarians to take controll with ease

ah, although china is older the us and china are around the same power. so in the 300 years the us has been around its caught up to all the years china has been around. very few of our freedoms are taken away.

[Maggotsfriend]

Communism sounds good on paper but when it was put to practice it didn't make everyone equal, well it did not by distributing the wealth, it just brought down all the normal people and rich people down to the lower class people. And no matter what you do there will all ways I mean always be people on top to seperate the classes of people. Communists I think in russia had the communist party members who had there own stores and more wages and so on