what is this?

[now i know]

all right, this has been happening to me for i while and i want to know why this could be happening.

about 99% of the time when my eyes are closed i have c.e.v. (closed eye visuals) with like swirls of color, or just some weird blots or shapes. and some times when i close my eyes i can sort of see the c.e.v. in height and depth.

every single time i look into the sky i can see hundreds of little specks of white light floating around.

and last, (not really the last thing, but just the last one that i felt was worth mentioning) is that when ever i try and focus on the sky (sometimes not even when im focusing) the center of the sky starts pulsating <--(for lack of better words) in a strange way, almost like its being warped, but not exactly.

and just to clear one possibility, this has been happening to me since before i started taking drugs, though with taking drugs it has seemed to make it more pronounced.

so any suggestions to what this could be?

[PhonePhrack]

the little white dots are possibly floaters.....

the C.E.V i have... i have theese and never thought anything of it......

[clownpaint20]

i want what ever your someking LOL!!

[clownpaint20]

sorry i mean smokeing

[Ortausti]

Beieve it or not. When you see blots of light, it's caused by light burning into the protective layer of your eye. If you stare at your computer screen in the dark and then close your eyes and look away. you should see a square of light in the form of your monitor. It's not too harmful because it heals very quickly. However, prolonged exposure to extreme light may cause seriouse damage or possible blindness.

[now i know]

what are floaters?

and i dont know anyone else who has these C.E.V. other than me, and now you.

so i was just wondering what could cause these.
but the third and last one that i posted is the one that gets me. what could it be?

[now i know]

and i know what your talking about Ortausti, but this is way different from that.

[PhonePhrack]

man.... the sky pulsating?

never heard of it...

floaters are dead bacteria in the fluid of your eye..

the treatment is to drain the eyes nd replace the vluid with saline...

the treatment for the cev is unknown..

none of theese are very hazardous but the floaters can make you blind if you have too many.. and the pulsating i have no clue

[now i know]

ok, thanks for the info. anyone who is reading this who thinks they know whats going on with the weird warped pulsating, your input would be appreciated.

and also to add to the list, i see big bright weird light blue shiny auras around things, but some times i dont. i am seeing it more often though. and when ever i see the sky it sort of has a staticy look to it.

[clownpaint20]

i thought you could find floaters in the bathroom lol

[PhonePhrack]

Are you around gasses alot?

what kind of drugs have you done and how often?

[itismesaj]

Do you have headaches when the sky pulsates?

[now i know]

no, no head aches when the sky starts to warp and pulsate, i actually feel very calm and peaceful when it happens.

and im around no gasses, and about 4 months ago i smoked 20x salvia everyday, for about 2 weeks.

lately for the pass month i have been taking VERY low doses of datura, but no more than like once a week. and i smoke weed often. ive taken morning glory and nutmeg before like 3 times each about 5 months ago for the morning glory, and maybe 1 month ago for the nutmeg. and i take low doses of coleus just as often as weed. and i think thats it.

but these things that are happening to me have been happening to me before i even started smoking weed (which is the first thing ive ever done)

o wait, i had a very low powered Ayahuasca brew lately, and i have smoked passion flower 2 times, about 5 months ago.

[PhonePhrack]

There are various causes for the appearance of floaters, of which the most common are described here. Basically, any way by which material enters the vitreous humour is a cause for floaters.

Patients with retinal tears may experience floaters if red blood cells are released from leaky blood vessels, and those with a posterior uveitis or vitritis, as in toxoplasmosis, may experience multiple floaters and decreased vision due to the accummulation of white blood cells in the vitreous humour [1].

Other causes for floaters include cystoid macular edema and asteroid hyalosis. The latter is an anomaly of the vitreous humour, where by calcium clumps attach themselves to the collagen network. The bodies that are formed in this way move slightly with eye movement, but then return to their fixed position

[PhonePhrack]

There are several levels of CEV perception which can be achieved either through chemical stimuli or through meditative relaxation techniques.

Level 1: Visual noise
The most basic form of CEV perception that can be immediately experienced in normal waking consciousness involves a seemingly random noise of pointillistic light/dark regions with no apparent shape or order.

This can be seen when you close your eyes, but try to actively look with your eyes at the back of your closed eyelids. In a bright room, a dark red can be seen, owing to a small amount of light penetrating the eyelids but taking on the color of the blood within them. In a dark room, blackness can be seen. But in either case it is not a flat unchanging redness/blackness. Instead, if actively observed for a few minutes, one becomes aware of an apparent disorganized motion, a random field of lightness/darkness that overlays the redness/blackness of your closed eyelids.

For a person who tries to actively observe this closed-eye perception on a regular basis, there comes a point where if you look at a flat-shaded object with your eyes wide open, and try to actively look for this visual noise, you will become aware of it and see the random pointillistic disorganized motion as if it were a translucent overlay on top of what is actually being seen by your open eyes.

When seen overlaid onto the physical world, this CEV noise does not obscure physical vision at all, and in fact is hard to notice if the visual field is highly patterned, complex, or in motion. When you stop trying to actively observe it, it is not obvious or noticeable, and seemingly disappears from normal physical perception.


Level 2: Light/dark flashes
Some mental control can be exerted over these closed-eye visualizations, but it usually requires a bit of relaxation and concentration to achieve. When properly relaxed it is possible to cause regions of intense black, bright white or even yellow to appear in the noise. These regions can span the entire visual field, but seem to be fleeting in nature.

Level 3: Patterns, motion, and color
This level is relatively easily accessible to people who use LSD, and appears to be what most people refer to as colorful visuals.

However, it is also accessible to people involved in deep concentration for long periods of time. When lying down at night and closing the eyes, right before sleep the complex motion of these patterns can become directly visible without any great effort.


Level 4: Objects and things
This is a fairly deep state. At this level, what you are thinking becomes visually manifest as if it were a real object or environment. When this level is reached, the CEV noise seems to calm down and fade away, leaving behind an intense flat ordered blackness. The visual field becomes a sort of active space where what you think is what you get. A side component of this is the ability to feel motion if your eyes are closed. For example thinking of moving down may cause the interior of an elevator to manifest in the CEV field, along with the distinct perception of physically moving downward. Sometimes it feels like you are in a room that is familiar to you.

Opening the eyes returns one to the normal physical world, but still with the CEV object field overlaid onto it and present. In this state it is possible to see things that appear to be physical objects in the open-eye physical world, but that aren't really there.


Level 5: Overriding physical perception
This is the point where it appears to the outside world that a person is either unconscious or insane. The internal CEV perceptions and think-it/feel-it perceptions become stronger than physical perceptions, and completely override and replace open-eye physical perceptions. This can be a potentially dangerous state if a person is still mobile while literally off in their own little world, but by this time most people are motionless are not likely to do something hazardous to themselves or others.

This is the point where most hallucinogenic references say it is a good idea to have a "sitter" present to watch over the person using the chemicals, and keep them from accidentally harming themselves or others while deep into their own world.

[PhonePhrack]

THINGD THAT ARE NOT C.E.V

Image burn-in
Image burn-in occurs when very bright objects lie in one's field of vision, and should not be confused with closed-eye hallucinations. Visual burn-in from bright lights is visible for a few minutes after closing the eyes, or by blinking repeatedly, but the burn-in effect slowly fades away as the retina recovers, whereas the waking-consciousness CEV noise will not disappear if observed continuously over a period of time.


Protein strings
Protein strings, which can be found floating in the liquid inside the eyeball, can be seen when looking at bright point-light sources with their glasses or contact lenses removed. They are, however, not exclusively associated with shortsightedness.

Protein strings tend to remain motionless if the eyes are still, rotating vertically if one looks up and down rapidly, and horizontally if one looks right to left rapidly. In either case these slow down and stop after a few seconds. The motion of waking-consciousness CEV noise cannot be controlled so actively.


Corneal liquid
This perception does not involve the liquid and air bubbles on the surface of the cornea, which can also be seen by extre***y nearsighted people when looking at bright point-light sources with glasses/contacts removed. Half-closing and reopening the eyelids creates a very definite wiper-***** in the corneal liquid that is readily visible. Fully closing and reopening the eyelids also stirs up the corneal liquid which settles down after a brief moment. The motion of waking-consciousness CEV noise is not so directly and physically controllable and repeatable. This is not necessarily only associated with extreme nearsightedness.


Blue-sky sprites
This perception does not seem to be related to the "sprites" (blue field entoptic phenomenon) that can be seen as dots darting around when staring up into a bright blue sky on a sunny day (not looking at the sun). These dots superimposed over a flat blue background are white blood cells moving through the blood vessels of your retina. The motion of waking-consciousness CEV noise is uniformly random compared to the waking-consciousness blue-sky sprite motion.


Physical retinal stimulation
This perception is unrelated to the visual noise seen when the retina is physically stimulated. The retina can be made to produce light patterns of visual noise simply by one rubbing their eyes somewhat forcefully in a manner that increases intraocular pressure. Additionally retinal noise can be produced by touching near the rear of the eyeball (for example, if one closes their eyes, looks all the way left, and lightly touches the rightmost part of the eye socket, this produces visual noise in the shape of a circle that appears at the left side of the visual field - a practice that is neither painful nor dangerous). None of these are closed-eye hallucinations.

[itismesaj]

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[PhonePhrack]

Exactly!!!

instead of SPAMMING!!! i made a new approach of spoon feeding.

[now i know]

wow, that helps a lot. it defiantly explains how these things happen, and i do meditate very heavily. i do think myself to be insane, though it warms me inside to think so.

and about the floaters, yeah, i have those but only a little, the things i was talking about in the first place are not floaters though. they do not move with my vision. sure they float, but they do so very powerfully, and they almost seem living. they defiantly do not just float along peacefully as lets say a snow flake would.

i seem to move randomly from level to level with out me even being able to control it at times. the most i have gotten to is level 5, but it was not by will. And there are usually no drugs involved either.

[now i know]

wait..... no never mind now that i think i have gone to a "level 5" by will before. it was actually very nice. i meditated for a little then with it being pitch black in my room there were lots of images, mostly concerning dolphins and sharks, i went form closed eye, to opened eye. thank you for this info. it has led me to understand so much more. i think im going to be doing this meditating thing more often, i just love the C.E.V. and O.E.V.

[PhonePhrack]

as i see floaters..

when you stare at a blank paper ir the sky, they just look like a snow flake falling in your eye.... when you move your eye they follow then fall again.

[now i know]

yeah, but i think that what i have with the little specks, is the white blood cell thing you were talking about.

[superflysuperwhite]

may be you just hit your head really hard and have some type of brain damage but not the terri shivo brian damage kind of like ozzy brian damage the fun kind!

[A Deo et Rege]

The pulsating could be a spasm of the ciliary muscle of the eye. The floaters as you called them could be microscopic parasites that have infested your body and are presenting themselves to you through the eye.

[Rasta_Man]

Yah I noticed I had these little worm looking things in my vision since I was a kid. I just thought I was a part of your eye. When you close your eyes and press on them you see all kinds of random colors and shapes. Same thing happens when you get light headed, your eyes adjusting to light, or other crap like that.

When you really look hard at your vision (at least for me) I can see random colors and those small little worm looking things.

[itismesaj]

Yeah, that's actually normal, Rasta Man. It's just you eyes constantly adjusting to different levels of light.

And the pressing hard on your eyes... not a terribly good idea.

[Rasta_Man]

Yah I thought it was normal, but I did that stupid crap when I was a kid. But also my right eye is more red than my left. I dont mean my eye looks more blood shot; What I mean, is when im looking at things there is a slight difference in my right eye. Everything in that eye has a light tint of red and my left does not.

[OpolE]

i dont take drugs and if you look up into a pale white cloudy sky i think your ayes do that because your brain is trying to work out distances and colour ect

[OpolE]

it happens to everyone but other things u mentioned not sure