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BlackZodiac
September 16th, 2007, 11:10 AM
"Senior American intelligence and defence officials believe that President George W Bush and his inner circle are taking steps to place America on the path to war with Iran, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail.

Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran.

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

In a chilling scenario of how war might come, a senior intelligence officer warned that public denunciation of Iranian meddling in Iraq - arming and training militants - would lead to cross border raids on Iranian training camps and bomb factories.

A prime target would be the Fajr base run by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Quds Force in southern Iran, where Western intelligence agencies say armour-piercing projectiles used against British and US troops are manufactured.

Under the theory - which is gaining credence in Washington security circles - US action would provoke a major Iranian response, perhaps in the form of moves to cut off Gulf oil supplies, providing a trigger for air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities and even its armed forces.

Senior officials believe Mr Bush's inner circle has decided he does not want to leave office without first ensuring that Iran is not capable of developing a nuclear weapon.

The intelligence source said: "No one outside that tight circle knows what is going to happen." But he said that within the CIA "many if not most officials believe that diplomacy is failing" and that "top Pentagon brass believes the same".

He said: "A strike will probably follow a gradual escalation. Over the next few weeks and months the US will build tensions and evidence around Iranian activities in Iraq."

Previously, accusations that Mr Bush was set on war with Iran have come almost entirely from his critics.

Many senior operatives within the CIA are highly critical of Mr Bush's handling of the Iraq war, though they themselves are considered ineffective and unreliable by hardliners close to Mr Cheney.

The vice president is said to advocate the use of bunker-busting tactical nuclear weapons against Iran's nuclear sites. His allies dispute this, but Mr Cheney is understood to be lobbying for air strikes if sites can be identified where Revolutionary Guard units are training Shia militias.

Recent developments over Iraq appear to fit with the pattern of escalation predicted by Pentagon officials.

Gen David Petraeus, Mr Bush's senior Iraq commander, denounced the Iranian "proxy war" in Iraq last week as he built support in Washington for the US military surge in Baghdad.

The US also announced the creation of a new base near the Iraqi border town of Badra, the first of what could be several locations to tackle the smuggling of weapons from Iran.

A State Department source familiar with White House discussions said that Miss Rice, under pressure from senior counter-proliferation officials to acknowledge that military action may be necessary, is now working with Mr Cheney to find a way to reconcile their positions and present a united front to the President.

The source said: "When you go down there and see the body language, you can see that Cheney is still The Man. Condi pushed for diplomacy but she is no dove. If it becomes necessary she will be on board.

"Both of them are very close to the president, and where they differ they are working together to find a way to present a position they can both live with."

The official contrasted the efforts of the secretary of state to work with the vice-president with the "open warfare between Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld before the Iraq war".

Miss Rice's bottom line is that if the administration is to go to war again it must build the case over a period of months and win sufficient support on Capitol Hill.

The Sunday Telegraph has been told that Mr Bush has privately promised her that he would consult "meaningfully" with Congressional leaders of both parties before any military action against Iran on the understanding that Miss Rice would resign if this did not happen.

The intelligence officer said that the US military has "two major contingency plans" for air strikes on Iran.

"One is to bomb only the nuclear facilities. The second option is for a much bigger strike that would - over two or three days - hit all of the significant military sites as well. This plan involves more than 2,000 targets."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/16/wiran116.xml

rebelmarine08
September 18th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Iran's just setting themselves up to get their ass kicked. Even Korea backed down..

Remember, 85% of all American and UK news media is biased against the Bush *****.

BlackZodiac
September 18th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Iran's just setting themselves up to get their ass kicked. Even Korea backed down..

Remember, 85% of all American and UK news media is biased against the Bush *****.

No, Korea never backed down, where did you get this from? They United States couldn't afford another war at that time, also N.Korea is backed up by Russia and China. Now their "going after" Iran (A weaker smaller military country) when compared to Korea, and in Korea the terrian is alot harder to manuver around in then the desert. The main reason why this is because Iran has nuclear weapons so they say, they do certainly got the capabilities to do so. The United States basically said "fuck going to Korea" because there is really no threat from them, and the more logic would to be to attack Iran due to alot of insurgent fighters, supplies, and sucide bombers comming from Iran.

rebelmarine08
September 19th, 2007, 11:21 PM
Oriental Communist countries hate Russia. They have for decades now.. Why would Russia even consider aiding N. Korea? My stepfather spent 12 years on the 38th parallel.

And the Korean Nuclear program has been halted as of two weeks ago now. They've shut down two nuclear reactors and are currently complying with all other than energy regulations, according to the United Nations.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9402E7DE1030F93AA15752C1A9629582 60

That's the only page I could find today... I really don't feel like looking all of them up again. Keep in mind, I am in the military. We do hear all types of news limited to just our weekly Leatherneck News articles.

BlackZodiac
September 20th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Oriental Communist countries hate Russia. They have for decades now.. Why would Russia even consider aiding N. Korea? My stepfather spent 12 years on the 38th parallel.

And the Korean Nuclear program has been halted as of two weeks ago now. They've shut down two nuclear reactors and are currently complying with all other than energy regulations, according to the United Nations.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9402E7DE1030F93AA15752C1A9629582 60

That's the only page I could find today... I really don't feel like looking all of them up again. Keep in mind, I am in the military. We do hear all types of news limited to just our weekly Leatherneck News articles.

You obviously have no clue to what you're talking about by making that statement, I'll show you.

"Oriental Communist countries hate Russia. They have for decades now.. Why would Russia even consider aiding N. Korea? My stepfather spent 12 years on the 38th parallel."
-China
-N.Korea
-Laos
-Vietnam

Russians main ally is the Chinese and you claim you're in the military and never heard of all these joint exercises between the two countries? Russia supplies all these countries with weapons. Vietnam war the Russians supported them, and the Koreans arn't to keen with what they did in the Korean war, by killing civilians, why? Because they were unexperienced.

"Six years after declaring the U.S. killing of Korean War refugees at No Gun Ri was "not deliberate," the Army has acknowledged it found but did not divulge that a high-level document said the U.S. military had a policy of shooting approaching civilians in South Korea.

The document, a letter from the U.S. ambassador in South Korea to the State Department in Washington, is dated the day in 1950 when U.S. troops began the No Gun Ri shootings, in which survivors say hundreds, mostly women and children, were killed."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20070415/ai_n19016542

"Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing said here Sunday China and Russia enjoy successful and fruitful relations.

Li said the two sides had completely resolved their boundary issues left over from history during Russian President Putin's state visit to China last year. From then on, the Sino-Russian borderline has become a border of "peace, friendship and cooperation".

This is beneficial to the peoples of both countries, and peace and stability in the region and the world, said Li.

Li said bilateral cooperation in such areas as economy, trade, culture, education and military have been developing steadily.

In addition, the two sides are conducting effective and substantive cooperation in more than 100 inter-state organizations, including the United Nations, and regional organizations including the Shanghai Cooperation Organization."

http://english.people.com.cn/200503/06/eng20050306_175738.html

"Billed Peace Mission 2005, the exercise involves about 10,000 troops simulating a mission to aid a third state where law and order has broken down because of terrorist violence.

"The joint exercises will help strengthen the capability of the two armed forces in jointly striking international terrorism, extremism and separatism," China's official New China News Agency said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/14/AR2005081400927.html

""This subject is not being widely discussed in society yet because attention is being focussed on 'the law on counteraction to a split of the state', adopted in China early in March, however, the expert community is actively discussing the future exercise", he said.

In his words, Taiwan sees this exercise as a threat to its security.

"Considering that Russia unreservedly supported China's adoption of 'the law on counteraction to a split of the state' the fact of holding such exercise is an alarming sign for Taiwan", he stated.

In the expert's opinion, it does not matter so much where the exercise will be held - in direct proximity to the island or off the coast of one of the provinces in Northern China.

"If the exercise is held on the coast an involves the navy, the island will see this as a rehearsal of the invasion of Taiwan," he stated.

An exercise at sea will also cause apprehensions in Japan and the USA, he stressed.

"A Russian-Chinese exercise in such format will inevitably cause concern in Japan and the US, which will make them follow the development of the situation in the Taiwan straits even more closely," he said.

The Russian-Chinese exercise is to be held in China in the autumn of 2005. The exact time and place of the exercise will be fixed in late August-early September, Russian General Staff Chief Yuri Baluyevsky, who was on an official visit to China, told the press in Beijing during the weekend.

General Baluyevsky also stressed that "this will be a large-scale exercise".

The Taiwan analytical center is considered to be one of the main brain trusts of the ruling Democratic and Progressive Party of Taiwan. Many results of its research, as wellas concepts become the foundation of the political decisions of the party and Taiwan administration head Chen Shuibian."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/taiwan/2005/taiwan-050321-rianovosti01.htm

"Why would Russia even consider aiding N. Korea? My stepfather spent 12 years on the 38th parallel."
- Why? Because the Russian governent isn't to keen on the United States doing what it wants, N.Korea is an ally.

"And the Korean Nuclear program has been halted as of two weeks ago now."
-Didn't you say you were in the military? They suspected Korea sent a few to Syria. Army my ass.

And this is all I found from your source... Nothing.

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