CHAOS theory

[KonaClump7005]

i am doing some research on the Chaos theory.. i want any one to let me in on their thoughts about this.. if you dont know what im talking about- heres a example.

So CHAOS is that every action we do or create will create sort of a ripple that affects everyone and every thing.

E.g.- You kill a mouse in your hotel room on your trip in africa
the mouse has no family so his huge family name dies
eventualy all mice die off to
fox starves cause it eats only mice- all fox die
lion dies cause it has no fox
antelope overpopulate and eat all vegitation-they kill themselves
a million years from now, cave man has no food and dies to.

-Thats just an example of sort of that one thing you do can start a chain reaction in time & space........ DEEP SHIT I KNOW...

So if you have any thought please help me out on this i have a report to do and this is a wayy sick subject

Peace, KonaClump7005

[Rasta_Man]

Ive personally havnt heard the Chaos theory, but what is sound like your kind of talking about is Einstein's saying "For every action is a opposite and equal reaction". What I think your saying, is like if we go back in time and kill a insect that it will have a huge effect on everything, rewrite history so to speek. That certain insect was supposed to be somewhere at a certain time and that would have changed history, but you killed it so that event never takes place.

This is intresting, because what is time but light. Think about when we look into a telescope and look at a star 30 light years away, We are seing that star 30 years ago. Think if we look at the galaxy that is 2 million light years away, we are seing that galaxy 2 million years ago. This is trippy to think about, what does that mean about time? is time just light? or is time not even relevant? do we just use time as a way to increment the movement threw space? Im not really sure......

[xplosive_cooker88]

Ive personally havnt heard the Chaos theory, but what is sound like your kind of talking about is Einstein's saying "For every action is a opposite and equal reaction". What I think your saying, is like if we go back in time and kill a insect that it will have a huge effect on everything, rewrite history so to speek. That certain insect was supposed to be somewhere at a certain time and that would have changed history, but you killed it so that event never takes place.

This is intresting, because what is time but light. Think about when we look into a telescope and look at a star 30 light years away, We are seing that star 30 years ago. Think if we look at the galaxy that is 2 million light years away, we are seing that galaxy 2 million years ago. This is trippy to think about, what does that mean about time? is time just light? or is time not even relevant? do we just use time as a way to increment the movement threw space? Im not really sure......
it's not einstein's saying dumbass...its newton's third law of motion...and to answer you question about using light to measure distance...yes what do you thing a light-year is? the distance light travels in a year which is approx. 5.6 trillion miles...and a parasec is 3.26 light years...so yeah. So if the Sun just suddenly "shut off" we wouldn't know about it for about 8 1/2 mins, cause it takes light that amount of time to reach us at 1AU(astronomical unit), which is 93 million miles....sry but it pisses me off when ppl get science shit like that mixed up

[xplosive_cooker88]

i am doing some research on the Chaos theory.. i want any one to let me in on their thoughts about this.. if you dont know what im talking about- heres a example.

So CHAOS is that every action we do or create will create sort of a ripple that affects everyone and every thing.

E.g.- You kill a mouse in your hotel room on your trip in africa
the mouse has no family so his huge family name dies
eventualy all mice die off to
fox starves cause it eats only mice- all fox die
lion dies cause it has no fox
antelope overpopulate and eat all vegitation-they kill themselves
a million years from now, cave man has no food and dies to.

-Thats just an example of sort of that one thing you do can start a chain reaction in time & space........ DEEP SHIT I KNOW...

So if you have any thought please help me out on this i have a report to do and this is a wayy sick subject

Peace, KonaClump7005
and the chaos theory is not that at all...MORON!...the chaos theory is that and i quote"something as subtle as a butterfly flapping it's wings, could cause a tidal wave on the otherside of the world"...man i get fucking pissed when ppl get theories and that kind of shit mixed up....FUCK!

[itismesaj]

xplosive cooker... calm the fuck down. You just restated what KonaClump said, just with a different metaphor.

[xplosive_cooker88]

xplosive cooker... calm the fuck down. You just restated what KonaClump said, just with a different metaphor.
no he was most likely talking about like w/ a species that goes extinct...yeah we may have caused it but im talking about the thing as the big picture, like the wind blowing, the ocean moving...and shit like that....i dont know what i just said but it makes sense to me....i mean what bad came about from us killing all of the dodo bird hun?

[A Deo et Rege]

xplosive cooker......You were right about the saying, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction," but you are wrong about chaos theory, a.k.a. The Butterfly effect, chaos theory states that the smallest act can be that catalyst that leads to massive changes, in other words no matter how small the catalyst the outcome can be massive. The thing about time is that it is not light it is merely the dimension through which all matter travels. Light is actually a vibration of the fifth dimension. KonaClump had the right idea but the wrong metaphor, let me see if I can produce a more efficient one; Lets say you remove an animal from an environment that relies on it, with the animal gone whatever niche it filled will be filled by another animal, that will change the habits of that animal and thus every other animal that previously interacted with this animal before long the entire environment has changed to fill the void left by you removing the fist animal.>>>>>> To better explain what Rasta meant by the time paradox he stated I will present my own; The grandmother paradox which you should of all heard of states that if you were to go back in time and find your grandmother as a young girl and kill her before she had your mother or father then you would never be born so thus you could not go back in time in the first place to kill your grandmother, here is an interesting thought, so if it is impossible to kill your grandmother them what would happen when you shoot her with a gun? would the time line split to accommodate the new event or would the fabric of space time unravel plunging you into an empty void?

[Rasta_Man]

Xplosive Cooker, you act like you know what your talking about, but really no one really knows. And with Einstein's saying; yes it has to do with it(not the whole thing). If you kill something it is going to have a reaction. If you do anything it has a reaction. Your a fucking idiot because you sound like you have all the answers, when you dont know what your talking about.

[Rasta_Man]

A Deo et Rege, Are you talking about the string theory? I think thats what its called, but there are 10 demensions and they're all parallel.

[KonaClump7005]

You Guys are great. Yes I will decline to say my metaphor was shit but 3/4ths of the people who look at this dont know shit so i had to try hard... but the butterfly metaphor goes like this- A butterfly flapping its wings in tahiti can create a tornado in kansas.. my metaphor was just trying to point out everything has an effect on everything else...... Rego your idea of the dimensions is perfect- if you went back in time somehow and shot your grandmother well either your dimension would continue on its way like nothing happened your you would cease to exist. Deja Vue-the movie- trys hard to explain this.

[SuperSkunk]

xplosive cooker......You were right about the saying, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction," but you are wrong about chaos theory, a.k.a. The Butterfly effect, chaos theory states that the smallest act can be that catalyst that leads to massive changes, in other words no matter how small the catalyst the outcome can be massive. The thing about time is that it is not light it is merely the dimension through which all matter travels. Light is actually a vibration of the fifth dimension. KonaClump had the right idea but the wrong metaphor, let me see if I can produce a more efficient one; Lets say you remove an animal from an environment that relies on it, with the animal gone whatever niche it filled will be filled by another animal, that will change the habits of that animal and thus every other animal that previously interacted with this animal before long the entire environment has changed to fill the void left by you removing the fist animal.>>>>>> To better explain what Rasta meant by the time paradox he stated I will present my own; The grandmother paradox which you should of all heard of states that if you were to go back in time and find your grandmother as a young girl and kill her before she had your mother or father then you would never be born so thus you could not go back in time in the first place to kill your grandmother, here is an interesting thought, so if it is impossible to kill your grandmother them what would happen when you shoot her with a gun? would the time line split to accommodate the new event or would the fabric of space time unravel plunging you into an empty void?

About the grandmother/grandfather affect. When I was baked I heard about this. I thought about it like this. You go back and kill your great great great grand father (doesn't matter how great) and nothing you notice wierd happens. You have a kid and you actually find you are your real great great great grand father. I don't know if I explained that right but it's my thoughts on the subject of that.

[Rasta_Man]

In order for you to be your own great great great grandfather, you would need to go back in time and fuck your great great great grandmother.

[SuperSkunk]

Yeah but at that time she wouldn't be your great grand mother.
But nevermind she would. Cuz your blood would be your blood mixed with hers along a long line of family and back to you again and your fucking your own family again. I call that the incest theory lol.

But do you get what I mean. Like if it happens that way your the one that actually starts your family name or some shit like that.

[Rasta_Man]

No i dont get it, please elaborate.

[SuperSkunk]

I can't elaborate. Thats why I asked if you understood because I can't explain it any better in words. I can visualize what I mean in my head. Mabey when I'm more baked later tonight Ill be able to explain.

[KonaClump7005]

Chaos theory turned into you fucking your great great great great grandma..
i wonder if she was hot...

[A Deo et Rege]

About the grandmother/grandfather affect. When I was baked I heard about this. I thought about it like this. You go back and kill your great great great grand father (doesn't matter how great) and nothing you notice weird happens. You have a kid and you actually find you are your real great great great grand father. I don't know if I explained that right but it's my thoughts on the subject of that.

There is one problem with your assumption, If you in fact go back in time and kill your great^10 grandfather and have sex with your great^10 grandmother you would do the same thing as what I had previously stated; 1st> Your nastification of the past would create a time loop in which you would continuously return to the past to do the dirty deed, in other words you would be born in the future and grow until the age in which you traveled to the past and then travel back to the point at which it all began and repeat it for eternity. 2nd> You would create an entirely new line of descendants in which you yourself would not exist so thus you could not commit the dirty act in the first place. 3rd> Your traveling to the past would create another time line in which you would in fact be you own great^n grandfather and reality as you once new it would no longer exist in the present of the new time line. Does that explain it in great enough detail?:D

[xplosive_cooker88]

i do know quite a bit about strange shit like this and time travel/ physics and shit like that...my science teacher came up w/ a lot of crazy ass shit that made you think outside the box. a good book to read is steven hawking's "a brief history of time"....the concepts in that book are off the wall and hard to comprehend

[Rasta_Man]

There is one problem with your assumption, If you in fact go back in time and kill your great^10 grandfather and have sex with your great^10 grandmother you would do the same thing as what I had previously stated; 1st> Your nastification of the past would create a time loop in which you would continuously return to the past to do the dirty deed, in other words you would be born in the future and grow until the age in which you traveled to the past and then travel back to the point at which it all began and repeat it for eternity. 2nd> You would create an entirely new line of descendants in which you yourself would not exist so thus you could not commit the dirty act in the first place. 3rd> Your traveling to the past would create another time line in which you would in fact be you own great^n grandfather and reality as you once new it would no longer exist in the present of the new time line. Does that explain it in great enough detail?:D

I agree with that, but I have one problem. What would happen to your current state? Would you cease to exist right after you killed your grandpa or would you cease to exist when the next person in your family line was supposed to be born?

[A Deo et Rege]

If you killed your grandfather you would either like you stated "cease to exist" because you would destroy you chances of being born or the time line would split creating a two different realities in which you would kill your grandfather in one and the other time line from which you came would stay the same. Once you killed your grandfather you would be automatically transported to this alternate reality but you would not notice any differences except for now you are your own grandfather^n, and this time line would begin with the death of your grandfather all other events that took place in history after the death of your grandfather would change as well. Now in the case that you didn't kill your grandfather and instead made it to where you were the one your grandmother marries you could theoretically be your own grandfather^n without the ramifications of time paradoxes, "theoretically," but this would be very improbable. Does that help?

[Rasta_Man]

Kinda, but i still have a problem? Why would you be suddenly transported back to your own time? Say you killed your grandpa and then slept with your grandma, then you lived your intire life growing retarded babies and rasing them in unique ways (compared to your great grandpa^10). Wouldnt you be able to live in the time you traveled until you died. But then you would kill off the time you left because that time was dependent on your families existence. then the time you left(the future) would have to restart right? It couldnt hold up with the absence of such a monumental change... maybe I was just thinking.

[Rasta_Man]

Well I just thought of this. Im acting like Humans anything anything to do with the creation of the universe. We are too insignificant in the universe to make such a change.

[A Deo et Rege]

Does this help explain what I mean?

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc217/adeoetrege/Ti***ineloop.jpg

[Rasta_Man]

That doesnt hold up for me. Cause we are talking about coming from the future, destroying your own family line in the past, and living in the past. Cause you cant give birth you yourself, so wouldnt that just create a new time line. And the old time (the future) would go on with the absence of you... but then if you killed your grandfather, and thus you have killed off your own bloodline, and replaced it with your own bloodline. What I mean is that you are still different from you great grandpa eventhough you still share common DNA. So now you make your own set of grand children, in place of your great grandpas grand children. So you now have killed off people who used to be in the future, with people you made in the present(the past). So it seams to me that the future would ether change dramaticly or we would miss the one person who went in the past and killed his family line and replaced it with his own. And once this single person did this, they would make thier own new time line and have no effect on our current time. It would be like as if the time traveler died.

[A Deo et Rege]

I have a book in mind that might answer your questions much better than me; I could try to, but it would take to much time to explain every aspect of the problems created when traveling time; the name of the book is Time Travel in Einstein's Universe: The Physical Possibilities of Travel Through Time; you should be able to find this book at your local library or online. It should answer all the questions you have about time travel.

[Chode_Warrior]

"For every action is a opposite and equal reaction". ..
That was isaac newton u fucking moron

[A Deo et Rege]

We have already stated this fact, if you would have read the entire thread you would know this.

[SuperSkunk]

A deo et rege I get what your saying and I actually thought the same thing, in less intelligent words though.

I looked at it this way as a possibility of what could be if this scenario could/would happen.

Since it becomes a loop where I constantly come back infinitely times. Fucking my grandma dying and then being born as my grandson and all that shit. Do you think you would be born with the same consciousness I can't really explain it very well. Like would you still be you. You know how you see from behind your own eyes and live and you are your self. I find this the hardest thing to explain I hope you get it.

Well if you were born with the same consciousness and shit then I see this as one way of immortality. But it has an evil side to it. You will be damned to live the same life infinitively.

I hope someone understands this.

[KonaClump7005]

i get it like you would be born but still have like your memory with you.... well if the loop was created and you kept on passing your memories and thoughts/ect back in time you eventually be like the smartest person in the world... weird...

[Raist]

Ive personally havnt heard the Chaos theory, but what is sound like your kind of talking about is Einstein's saying "For every action is a opposite and equal reaction". What I think your saying, is like if we go back in time and kill a insect that it will have a huge effect on everything, rewrite history so to speek. That certain insect was supposed to be somewhere at a certain time and that would have changed history, but you killed it so that event never takes place.

This is intresting, because what is time but light. Think about when we look into a telescope and look at a star 30 light years away, We are seing that star 30 years ago. Think if we look at the galaxy that is 2 million light years away, we are seing that galaxy 2 million years ago. This is trippy to think about, what does that mean about time? is time just light? or is time not even relevant? do we just use time as a way to increment the movement threw space? Im not really sure......

It's more like the butterfly effect. Are you sure that's what the chaos theory is? I thought it was about chaotic elements added to a system eventually cause the system to change/and also the inverse.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

no he was most likely talking about like w/ a species that goes extinct...yeah we may have caused it but im talking about the thing as the big picture, like the wind blowing, the ocean moving...and shit like that....i dont know what i just said but it makes sense to me....i mean what bad came about from us killing all of the dodo bird hun?

You where born. :)

[Basarab]

the chaos theory is a theory, there is no way to prove it. It is sort of like quantum physics, in which anything can happen. But the chances of it happening, is so little its mind boggling.