the morality of beheading

[aleister]

Does anyone else out there wonder at the morality of various violent means of achieving a political end. An example would be the use of beheadings of westerners to encourage the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. This seems barbaric and indeed it is. But is it worse than the use of cluster bombs, tanks, helicopter gun ships, machine guns, grenades mortars or any other means of killing people, used by our own governments to achieve their political ends.
It could be argued that beheading is far more moral because, first of all the target has been identified before the killing. Unlike cluster bombs or mortars, there is no risk of "collateral damage". No child is accidently going to be killed. Secondly, due to the intensive media coverage of these events, the impact of one single death is far greater than that of perhaps dozens of people killed in a much less personal manner, so "value for money" is much higher. The death of one person could achieve that of killing a thousand soldiers.

[BlackZodiac]

THe United States had Phosphorus banned in bombs, but they go use it in Iraq, and a bunch of other things. The thing is, I rather be killed quick then get my head cut off... My opinion of the United States goes up and down, I don't like the fact there are children are getting killed along with innocent people... But seriously I don't trust the Middle East, imagine them in a high power situation, we would all be wearing hijabs (women) and treating them like children. Along with no sex or see any boobs until you're married.

[aleister]

I agree with you i disagree with the murder of women, children, and innocent citizens but beheading is torturous and immoral as well. I would rather stay here were im at and not be blown to shit or beheaded.

[AbstractHorizon]

You both neglect to remember that those "innocent" children are being bred to worship overbearing and unbelievable gods.

They are brainwashed from day one to believe that freedom is a sin, and that America is the epitemy of evil.

Have no mercy on those that would have none on you.

[BlackZodiac]

I agree with you i disagree with the murder of women, children, and innocent citizens but beheading is torturous and immoral as well. I would rather stay here were im at and not be blown to shit or beheaded.

The way I see it is that more then 75% of Middle Eastern countrys hate white people no matter where they are from, and a white person hates a Middle Eastern, they have a riot, where I am attending school, were not allowed to put up the Christmas tree anymore or decorations because "they feel left out", no that's not it, they want to "convert" us to their own so we celebrate Jihad with them (sarcasm about Jihad). Canada is white mans land, whites fought and died for it, we will own it, not by some Arab person who says he/she is left out when we have open arms to letting anyone be "Western".

[BlackZodiac]

You both neglect to remember that those "innocent" children are being bred to worship overbearing and unbelievable gods.

They are brainwashed from day one to believe that freedom is a sin, and that America is the epitemy of evil.

Have no mercy on those that would have none on you.

I agree with you there but not all are like that. I would shoot a child or woman in the head if they were going to pick up a gun and fire at me, or even attempt to blow themself up.

[aleister]

Yes i can see the point in that however to say they are worshiping the wrong god is a belief and is good that your faith is (or maybe isnt) strong but personally im religiously tolerant and the qu'ran isnt about jihad its about peace and obediance to god (allah).

[BlackZodiac]

No, what I am saying is, that if they want to "fit in" then celebrate Christmas... There is this family that changed to Christians, their family stopped talking to them because of it, pretty pathetic... And I don't belive in one religion.

[aleister]

No that was directed to abstract i forgot to quote his reply

[AbstractHorizon]

Religion is a crutch.

It is the human minds' explanation for where existence goes after death. What the brain cannot concieve, it compensates with false hopes due to unrequited truths.

It just so happens that so many people join these cults, that it is a force that will not be eradicated from the minds of the average person until 1. Death is overcome 2. Minds evolve to a level that people understand the realization of science 3. People are educated on the proven correlations of science that disprove religion and spirtuality.

[aleister]

well i do disagree and how i know is that of the supernatural and studies in the occult (notice its not a cult but occult) astral travel and quite a bit of tiring experiment with spirituality and it is hard to believe that we have an imaginary man watching over us ill give you that but without religion the world could not support itself and we would kill ourselves off so it is at least necessary. maybe we need a religion forum here, hahahaha that'll be the day.

[AbstractHorizon]

Excuse me, but without religion, all laws would be made for the human good, and not by the will of a god. I get sick and tired of seeing "In God We Trust" on the most corrupt device of man...money.

Without religion, the world would thrive. Pure human instinct to live life as it should be would reign. Even without religion, murder is still seen as a negative thing.

You should seriously stop giving your reason on things...it is biased, and inconceivable to most people.

[aleister]

There are no facts to back up either argument here but every thing in this world operates on two principle practices: politics and religion and while you might see
religion as redundant many believe in its powers and wouldnt be the people they are without it. without religion suicide has no charge so i could kill your punk bitch ass rape your mother and kill myself which will in turn cause your father to do the same. Your a dumbfuck for thinking that the world would be better without religion. it would only be better without you and religion has and always will be. if you dont believe lets hear a blasphemy or do you just closet worship you shameful peice of horseshit. im not religious but i understand human dependancy and until now i thought you did.Go die sore from rape you faggot bitch. fuck you fuck them fuck their religion fuck this site fuck it but FUCKING realize your a goddamn dumbass from nowhere with nothing. eat shit then ban me motherfucker.

[AbstractHorizon]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


It feels so good knowing I got the best of you. :)

PS- You, I, and everyone else here who have been viewing our arguments know that I am right, and you are wrong.

Now take your own advice, and die.

PPS- Ban you? Your wish is my (indirect) command. Peace bitch.

[AbstractHorizon]

Oh, and by the way, there is one major difference between us. I DO have evidence...YOU don't.

It's called science, you ass-packing cockmaster.

[aleister]

i havent heard one peice of scientific evidence you ass ramblin peice of shit

[AbstractHorizon]

HAHAHAHA!!!

Poor fool...

I bet anyone a grand he slices his own throat over this...HAHAHAHA

[N2O]

General rule:

Humans are the only animals that kill their own species for no conceivable "biological" gain.

[puppetmaster]

Well there is one conceivable reason for man killing man (maybe not so conceivable) IN THE NAME OF GOD. religion has killed more men than any other reason.

[AbstractHorizon]

Amen, brother.

[puppetmaster]

Ive read this entire thread and i can see that religion is necessary for some, mostly weak and feeble minded individuals with no sense of self dependency.

[superflysuperwhite]

FUCK RELIGION, people have ruined the concept of GOD there is no such thing as religion any more just abunch self ritious fucks

[puppetmaster]

So you must be catholic lol.

[superflysuperwhite]

HA i go to catholic school, thank god im out in one more year.
one plus though is i got to learn about other religions, and WOW christianity and islam arnt the only ones who are fucked.
in HINDUISM if your born in the wrong class you could be rapped killed and many other things and there will be no case filed aginst the people who did it they dont even get a slap on the wrist

i actually think its getting better but not by much

[puppetmaster]

WTF those crazy fuckin cowfuckers.

[superflysuperwhite]

YEP,thats one thing that erratates me a little people always jump on christians for beeing TOTAL FUCKS witch i agree with for the most part, but they never take the time to look at our friends in the east

[puppetmaster]

I'm well aware my friend i've studied other religions and Christians are the least most radical, they just shovel it down your throat.

[AbstractHorizon]

Irritates, not erratates, you FUCKING insulent bastard.

To the Mass: QUIT BUTCHERING MY FUCKING LANGUAGE.

[puppetmaster]

Well aside from grammatical errors you could probably agree with what is being said.

[BlackZodiac]

FUCK RELIGION, people have ruined the concept of GOD there is no such thing as religion any more just abunch self ritious fucks

Yeah such as the Branch davidians.

[Cuddles]

Irritates, not erratates, you FUCKING insulent bastard.

To the Mass: QUIT BUTCHERING MY FUCKING LANGUAGE.

insolent....not insulent.....quit butchering your own language

[AbstractHorizon]

One letter off is much less offensive than totally destroying the recognition of a word.

[Cuddles]

One letter off is much less offensive than totally destroying the recognition of a word.

pfft, i dont give a shit

[AbstractHorizon]

Of course not, you're a complete social reject, why would you care about anything when you have such a pathetic, feeble existence?

I advice you to take your self-rightous, totally unecessary holier-than-thou attitude somewhere else.

[Cuddles]

Of course not, you're a complete social reject, why would you care about anything when you have such a pathetic, feeble existence?

I advice you to take your self-rightous, totally unecessary holier-than-thou attitude somewhere else.

social reject: no, actually, most people like me, for what reason i really dont know, i merely dont give a fuck about having to see them

pathetic, feeble existence?: pathetic, yes, feeble, no...i dont even get sick any more....

advise, not advice, righteous, not rightous, unnecessary, not unecessary, and really, i dont think im better than anyone, i was merely pointing out that pointing out someone's spelling and grammar mistakes while making some of your own is hypocritical, plus, im bored, so fuck you, ill do as i please, ive already left before, ill leave when i want to again.....

you're one of the worst people on this site, because you actually think you matter, you actually think the people that come to this site look at your words and give a shit, they dont, the more intelligent ones just ignore them as gibberish, and the duller ones just read them and get offended when you say something dulled down enough that they can understand it...

[AbstractHorizon]

Thank you again for correcting my grammer....When I get irritated, my quality and concentration goes down.

social reject: no, actually, most people like me, for what reason i really dont know, i merely dont give a fuck about having to see them


HAHA! It's easy for eveyone to like you when the only people you kick it with are members of the same, low-level social group. You see, your kind of people are the kind my kind of people like to stomp into the ground because we wish you would just..well...die. :)

you're one of the worst people on this site, because you actually think you matter, you actually think the people that come to this site look at your words and give a shit, they dont, the more intelligent ones just ignore them as gibberish, and the duller ones just read them and get offended when you say something dulled down enough that they can understand it...


Honestly...I would take this into consideration, but it is merely a faltering oppinion of yours. I've said before that I really don't care who likes me or not..I'm here to say what I wanna say, and that's all that matters to me. :)

And, I guess you are insulting your ALMIGHTY "intelligent" friends, because pretty much all of them, except YOU, have gone the distance to contact me outside the site, and converse with me in a friendly way.

Dude, why do you persist so much on trying to put me down? You know nothing you say is worthy, nor matters to me. To me, you are merely the reason that this country is looked down upon so much by others...A fucking washed-up, lazy, oppinionated when you shouldn't be allowed to be, FAR less than incredibly ugly, and to top it all off...and overall waste of breath.

Motherfucker, I could buy you, your house, your girlfriend(but I'd sell her to a sausage factory that butchers the lowest grade meat), your computer, and everything else you own.

In the classroom/academic arena, I would put your IQ and excellence to shame.

In the party scene, I'd make you look like a reclusive FAGGOT.

And just plain in life, I'd make you look like God took a raunchy shit, missed the toilet, and landed you on earth. :) Good day, chap.

[Cuddles]

Thank you again for correcting my grammer....When I get irritated, my quality and concentration goes down.



HAHA! It's easy for eveyone to like you when the only people you kick it with are members of the same, low-level social group. You see, your kind of people are the kind my kind of people like to stomp into the ground because we wish you would just..well...die. :)



Honestly...I would take this into consideration, but it is merely a faltering oppinion of yours. I've said before that I really don't care who likes me or not..I'm here to say what I wanna say, and that's all that matters to me. :)

And, I guess you are insulting your ALMIGHTY "intelligent" friends, because pretty much all of them, except YOU, have gone the distance to contact me outside the site, and converse with me in a friendly way.

Dude, why do you persist so much on trying to put me down? You know nothing you say is worthy, nor matters to me. To me, you are merely the reason that this country is looked down upon so much by others...A fucking washed-up, lazy, oppinionated when you shouldn't be allowed to be, FAR less than incredibly ugly, and to top it all off...and overall waste of breath.

Motherfucker, I could buy you, your house, your girlfriend(but I'd sell her to a sausage factory that butchers the lowest grade meat), your computer, and everything else you own.

In the classroom/academic arena, I would put your IQ and excellence to shame.

In the party scene, I'd make you look like a reclusive FAGGOT.

And just plain in life, I'd make you look like God took a raunchy shit, missed the toilet, and landed you on earth. :) Good day, chap.

i dont even consider myself all that intelligent, what friends do i have who i consider intelligent?...actually, most of them, and i really cant understand why they talk to me....

and please, the only way that in a classroom you'd put me to shame is if i really wasnt trying, which usually i am, and my iq has nothing to do with this, i dont even consider iq reputable, and anyone with any semblance of REAL intelligence should know it's not.

in a party? really? you'd make me look like a reclusive faggot? you wouldnt have to try all that hard, i AM reclusive, and the way i dress makes most people who go to parties think im a faggot, but you know what, my girlfriend loves it, and i enjoy people not feeling comfortable talking to me.

yes, you probably could buy everything i own, and i wouldnt give a shit, i dont give a shit what i own, please, take my computer, i'll just sit in silence and think, which is what im generally doing when im on it any way....it's a cheap distraction which i really dont need....

actually, sorry, i have many friends who are in the little cliques which you consider sociable, normal groups of people, sorry, that logic doesnt work, granted, i do have some very strange friends, but i look for intelligence, not a style of dress.....

you've accomplished nothing you set out to here, im not even mildly irritated, ive better things to deal with, like manipulating my friends' relationships, so good day, ill respond later if i feel like it....

[AbstractHorizon]

Well then it looks like we have a reciprocal agreement not to be offended by eachothers' comments.

So why don't we just agree to disagree and call a truce?

Peace?

PS- You shouldn't live your life to please a bitch, because in the end, they won't just fuck you...They will fuck you up.

[Cuddles]

Well then it looks like we have a reciprocal agreement not to be offended by eachothers' comments.

So why don't we just agree to disagree and call a truce?

Peace?

PS- You shouldn't live your life to please a bitch, because in the end, they won't just fuck you...They will fuck you up.

and the good times are more worth it than you could possibly imagine....

and i dont live to please her, i just do it well....it's not hard....

[AbstractHorizon]

and please, the only way that in a classroom you'd put me to shame is if i really wasnt trying, which usually i am, and my iq has nothing to do with this, i dont even consider iq reputable, and anyone with any semblance of REAL intelligence should know it's not.


I'm sorry, that is bullshit (especially the emboldened section). Not only did I score in the 90th percentile or higher of all IOWA tests I took from Grade 1-5, but I never fell below Advanced Proficiency in any SOL tests (many of which I completed without a single incorrect answer). I was in the Gifted Art Program all through my childhood even though I have a great distaste for art. I scored a 97 on the ASVAB when I went through a rebellious period in my life, wanting to be a marine. I got a 1130 on the SAT while failing to fill out nearly an ENTIRE math section because I fell asleep. I got a 26 on the ACT after christmas-treeing the last 2 sections out of boredom. I graduated high school with a 3.36 GPA, The Governor's Seal, Advanced Studies Diploma, and 14 college credits in the secondmost respected education system in Virginia (Only behind Fairfax County, which is said to have the highest academic excellence, and highest paid teachers of any school system IN THE COUNTRY). I have a 3.062 GPA in my first three years of college while maintaining a very drunken party-time lifestyle almost every evening.

Don't tell me you can top that bro, because honestly, few people with no sense of motivation ever do...and somehow, I bullshitted my way through all of it.

You can question my intelligence, but my friends don't consistently come to me for help writing 20 pages papers, on subjects I have yet to study, for no reason.

Unlike you, I know I have been blessed with a mind of higher thinking, and I love to use it in my favor.

[Cuddles]

I'm sorry, that is bullshit (especially the emboldened section). Not only did I score in the 90th percentile or higher of all IOWA tests I took from Grade 1-5, but I never fell below Advanced Proficiency in any SOL tests (many of which I completed without a single incorrect answer). I was in the Gifted Art Program all through my childhood even though I have a great distaste for art. I scored a 97 on the ASVAB when I went through a rebellious period in my life, wanting to be a marine. I got a 1130 on the SAT while failing to fill out nearly an ENTIRE math section because I fell asleep. I got a 26 on the ACT after christmas-treeing the last 2 sections out of boredom. I graduated high school with a 3.36 GPA, The Governor's Seal, Advanced Studies Diploma, and 14 college credits in the secondmost respected education system in Virginia (Only behind Fairfax County, which is said to have the highest academic excellence, and highest paid teachers of any school system IN THE COUNTRY). I have a 3.062 GPA in my first three years of college while maintaining a very drunken party-time lifestyle almost every evening.

Don't tell me you can top that bro, because honestly, few people with no sense of motivation ever do...and somehow, I bullshitted my way through all of it.

You can question my intelligence, but my friends don't consistently come to me for help writing 20 pages papers, on subjects I have yet to study, for no reason.

Unlike you, I know I have been blessed with a mind of higher thinking, and I love to use it in my favor.


you've just named standardized test after standardized test, followed by gpa, i scored higher on the sat's, and i have no motivation at all, beyond what you could imagine, im sitting on my computer right now, i could destroy this site in an instant, and it wouldnt even be all that much effort, and i'd really love to see this site down, but i dont even fucking do that, and i couldnt get caught while doing it.....

you KNOW you've been blessed with a mind of higher thinking, yeah, sure, great, you value knowledge of your own superiority, that makes me think so much more of you....

i dont intend to top that, i dont value any of it, it'd be a waste of my time, all i want to do is learn, i dont want to fucking impress everything around me with my superior skills, that doesnt matter at all to me, the fact that you've put so much effort into this does nothing to convince me that you're intelligent, you emboldened the section about iq tests, please, tell me why that's bullshit, if you're so brilliant, why do you find it bullshit that i can consider a SCALAR QUANTITY BASED TEST OF SOMEONE'S INTELLIGENCE TO BE FALSE? it doesnt fuckign work to judge your intelligence, at present, there are 3 major sections of intelligence, social, emotional, and intellectual, social and emotional are the primary factors that people consider, and intellectual is left as a third, and neglected form, on top of that, you cannot tell me that a person who scores a 100 on his iq test, but can look at a blueprint of a building and tell you exactly how it's gonna look (down to the last beam) has no intelligence whatsoever, that's brilliance, it's an immeasurable brilliance by our tests, and that's a very good example of how the tests dont work

[AbstractHorizon]

So basically what you stress SO MUCH is this: To each, his own.

You value learning (as I do, to a point)

I value my status above the standard average, based on my accomplishments. (Which, in turn, will bring me what I desire).

We shouldn't debate, the ceiling of our differing points-of-view is limitless.

Perhaps we should work together to single-out and destroy those which have neither capacity of understanding.

I honestly enjoy coming back to see your retorts, they inspire my creative juices like few others can do.

However, I do fear that we will never see eye to eye.

You have my respect, whether you like it or not.

PS- I also envy your self-proclaimed computer literacy skills...I never got beyond anything much above a basic understanding.