iran

[aleister]

(The Iranian president has threatened "severe" retaliation if the United States attacks his country, which is locked in a standoff with the West over its nuclear programme.)- http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B2240F2E-CA5C-4593-A664-AD68EDCD60B0.htm

it really looks like iran is soon to follow iraq. personally i think it would be ignorant to attack iran who only want nuclear energy for their oil export but it does raise some problems if they possess nuclear power. i say after iraq has settled fuck the world lets focus on ho***and problems there sure are enough of them.

[Palm3R]

we kicked Iraq's ass in 2 weeks, we can do the same to Iran in the same way and in the same amount of time!

[aleister]

yes i know well not quite that quick but it feels like we lost the war in a sense and were still losing guys over there

[Palm3R]

yes, but it's not really a war anymore, it ended after a few weeks. Then some had to stay for some other shit. But yeah, they should slowly be pulled out little by little, til' they are all out...

[Acrylic76]

The war's not over while people are still dying.

[Palm3R]

it's not a war anymore...

[BlackZodiac]

we kicked Iraq's ass in 2 weeks, we can do the same to Iran in the same way and in the same amount of time!

Hah... That is what you think, Iran is alot stronger then Iraq, they actually have a military, unlike Iraq did. Iran fought Iraq heavyily backed up by the United States, and was attacked by Israel. Iran won that war, and also Iran is much more stronger then they were 20+ years ago. So you think that the United States with the way they are could fight a 10x stronger Iraq? It's been 5 years since the United States and it's allies been in Iraq, and things are not doing too well for them, now imagine a force over 10x more... I like America, but they need to know when and what they are capable of going in to Iran, or N.Korea or to defend Taiwan from a Chinese invasion. You really need to think over some concepts before saying something that dumb, but things are turning and looks like United States are the ones with their asses getting kicked.

[B.Cadizzle]

yes they are stronger but they have unifored troops and they are much easier to shoot and less likely to blow them selfs up when we went into iraq we had no gurilla warfare traning and still dont we have a military that the most training they had is playing black hawk down (crap for AI) so over all this would be easier

[BlackZodiac]

yes they are stronger but they have unifored troops and they are much easier to shoot and less likely to blow them selfs up when we went into iraq we had no gurilla warfare traning and still dont we have a military that the most training they had is playing black hawk down (crap for AI) so over all this would be easier

Where do you think the suicide bombers are comming from?;)

[hella cool]

they come from the messed up mosques i hope america goes into iran just because i have a deep hatred for most americans, but going into iran just wouldent be worth it even if you won how many men and how much money can one country loose before they give up the whole lets flex our military muscle in some 3 world fucking desert country

[The Anarchist]

I think all of you are missing the point! The only reason USA is still fighting in Iraq is because our president let us down. Instead of letting our forces use every available weapon to erase those Muslim bastards they have to be compassionate and politically correct. How the FUCK can anyone one win a fight with one hand behind their back!!! And for all of you who think that Iran is using nuclear power for energy you need to take your head out of your ass. Why in the hell does a country so damn rich in oil need more energy! Wake up world! If we don't kill them now, in 10 years if you're not a Muslim you'll be dead.

[BlackZodiac]

I think all of you are missing the point! The only reason USA is still fighting in Iraq is because our president let us down. Instead of letting our forces use every available weapon to erase those Muslim bastards they have to be compassionate and politically correct. How the FUCK can anyone one win a fight with one hand behind their back!!! And for all of you who think that Iran is using nuclear power for energy you need to take your head out of your ass. Why in the hell does a country so damn rich in oil need more energy! Wake up world! If we don't kill them now, in 10 years if you're not a Muslim you'll be dead.

Oil has nothing to do with nuclear energy, their population is growing fast. With the fast population growing they need to keep up with the people using electricity. Irans current population is 70,000,000 people, Canada has 35,000,000 people, and we have the best nuclear reactors out there (Hence they made them the best), so you can't say they do not need nuclear energy. And there is no proof at all, of Iran having nuclear weapons.

[iaf0262]

iran is completely different. saddam huessein was a pussy. he hid after the first week. not only that the fighters were scared and many surrendered. its too late to go into iran. they actually have an army willing to fight and deffend themselves if we attacked. we would have fourtimes as much land to cover. not only that the insurgents would flock to assisst the iranians. terrorist groups like hezbolah would flock there to fight. you guys think big old bad america can do anything but the voluteer army is out of volunteers. i would know im a fucking professional. ive had combat experience. ive been to iraq and afghanistan. we rely on money to fund our war. they rely on support. well guess what, we brought war to their door step. how much support do you think they have. besides the only thing that kept us out of iran in the beggininng was the oil prices. now look at the oil prices. we cant afford that. maybe if we had a higher recruiting rate we could but unless we get another 9/11 it just aint gonna happen in iran without somthing collasal.

[BlackZodiac]

iran is completely different. saddam huessein was a pussy. he hid after the first week. not only that the fighters were scared and many surrendered. its too late to go into iran. they actually have an army willing to fight and deffend themselves if we attacked. we would have fourtimes as much land to cover. not only that the insurgents would flock to assisst the iranians. terrorist groups like hezbolah would flock there to fight. you guys think big old bad america can do anything but the voluteer army is out of volunteers. i would know im a fucking professional. ive had combat experience. ive been to iraq and afghanistan. we rely on money to fund our war. they rely on support. well guess what, we brought war to their door step. how much support do you think they have. besides the only thing that kept us out of iran in the beggininng was the oil prices. now look at the oil prices. we cant afford that. maybe if we had a higher recruiting rate we could but unless we get another 9/11 it just aint gonna happen in iran without somthing collasal.

I'm starting to like you more and more, you do show intelligence when it comes to war. and this "you guys think big old bad america can do anything" is what I like to see, the United States is a strong country, but some people think the United States can take on the world... Don't think so. N.Korea will not happen, nor will Iran war will happen unless the United States have been declared war on by these two countrys or attacked. Russia and China will be the next superpowers, considering Russia had just rebuilt their army spending 500 billion in one year (Almost what the united states spends) and if you know a little about military then you would know that is amazing because Russian equipment is tough, reliable and not as expencive as American equipment.

[iaf0262]

exactly. the biggest problem were having right now is that we spend way too much money on th war. millions a day. it really adds up. and people wonder why everything is so expensive. and the insurgents wont come out and face us in street battles anymore. thats the worst part. we cant win we have to almost perform religous clensing to remove all of the extremists. its just too much. what bugs me the most is that people complain were losing but wont help in the fight. it bugs the shit outta me.

[BlackZodiac]

exactly. the biggest problem were having right now is that we spend way too much money on th war. millions a day. it really adds up. and people wonder why everything is so expensive. and the insurgents wont come out and face us in street battles anymore. thats the worst part. we cant win we have to almost perform religous clensing to remove all of the extremists. its just too much. what bugs me the most is that people complain were losing but wont help in the fight. it bugs the shit outta me.

Yeah, they will have to start to ally with other Middle Eastern countrys and attempt to convert more Middle Easterns, Syria has alot of Christians.

[iaf0262]

yeah and the sad thing is that we isreal has an exccelent army but they are only for defense mainly. but they cant unleash the full potential of the idf because they only have a handful of allies. mainly the US and the UN. and our policy of non-oficial appeasement to the middleeast is getting annoying.

[aleister]

well i dont think china or russia will be our next target, iran is the next step of course this all depends a lot on the next president i would just like to see a president for flat tax and exit strategies for the middle east. irans reason for needing nuclear energy is to boost their oil trade wich is a good thing it may lower oil prices but on the other hand they will have nuclear power and already have a stong disdain for america. its a good thing bush wont have another term because as he said hes a president for war and america cannot afford another one.

[BlackZodiac]

well i dont think china or russia will be our next target, iran is the next step of course this all depends a lot on the next president i would just like to see a president for flat tax and exit strategies for the middle east. irans reason for needing nuclear energy is to boost their oil trade wich is a good thing it may lower oil prices but on the other hand they will have nuclear power and already have a stong disdain for america. its a good thing bush wont have another term because as he said hes a president for war and america cannot afford another one.

I never said China or Russia would be the United States next target, if you read it properly I stated they will probably be the next superpower.

[BlackZodiac]

yeah and the sad thing is that we isreal has an exccelent army but they are only for defense mainly. but they cant unleash the full potential of the idf because they only have a handful of allies. mainly the US and the UN. and our policy of non-oficial appeasement to the middleeast is getting annoying.

Israel has an awsome army, they got the money to transport their military to different countrys, (Which alot of countrys can't.) Israel has amazing technology such as the TAR-21 assault rifle (which Croatia has purchased along with the Gripen:D) the Merkava tank, body armour. And alot of the women in the Israeli military are really good looking.

[iaf0262]

he never said russia or china would be our next target he said super power as in one of the most powerful countries. next didnt you read anything i just said. WE DONT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ATTACK IRAN WITHOUT U.N. INVOLVEMENT. another thing to add that i didnt really hit on. we hit a pit of quicksand in iraq. our feet are too deep to just walk out without help. if we pull out now without a stable government that is actually up on their feet we would seriously hurt other foreign relations in the world especially with the rest of the middle east.

[iaf0262]

alot of the women in the Israeli military are really good looking.

I like your thinking. they got some fine women in the idf. excellent.

[aleister]

ahh well im a bit tired but china is a good bet but russia still has probs and i think it will take them a while to recapture the power they once had. china has the manpower so with the right tech they would be a powerful force and i think the other would come down to n. korea and the united kingdom (already considered the second or third strongest military in the world)

[aleister]

yes we cant just pull out of iraq in a day the president of the new regime there doesnt want us to leave because if we do the country would fall and the war would be pretty much for nothing (except killing saddam)

[BlackZodiac]

Here is some pictures, very nice.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/520/womenzy4.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=womenzy4.jpg)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6340/israeligirlsnx8.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=israeligirlsnx8.jpg)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/954/israelarmybasepatriotmixz5.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=israelarmybasepatriotmixz5.jpg)

This one is probably my favourite, really cute chick.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2031/25203387ko8.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25203387ko8.jpg)

Best part is, they are in the military, pretty damn good.

[iaf0262]

i dont know though i mean russia has its feet on the ground. look at their air force and ground technology. i mean a lot of the technology thats costing us in the middle east is russian or american made. and china is actually almost always one step behind russia. russia was commy before china and russia was democratic before china. not only that china has a large chunk of the population in poverty.

[aleister]

holy fuck to hell with europe i wish i was in isreal lol

[iaf0262]

that just put a smile on my face zodiac. damn i like the way you think.

[aleister]

yea i mean russia will most likely be a huge powerhouse in like ten years maybe a lil less but to be the next great power i think would go to n. korea

[iaf0262]

i actually met two or three of them on my way to afghanistan on my third tour and they got some pretty hot chicks but the accent makes it even better.

[BlackZodiac]

ahh well im a bit tired but china is a good bet but russia still has probs and i think it will take them a while to recapture the power they once had. china has the manpower so with the right tech they would be a powerful force and i think the other would come down to n. korea and the united kingdom (already considered the second or third strongest military in the world)

Russia has no problems no more (With their military or funding) if you hadn't notice, Russia is pulling in massive ammounts of oil and is selling 10 billion worth of weapons (Which is now a new record). Russia is catching up while China is downsizing their military because they don't need that many people, they rather spend the money in higher upgrades. North Korea is not ranked second , because Russia is ranked second followed by China.

[BlackZodiac]

yea i mean russia will most likely be a huge powerhouse in like ten years maybe a lil less but to be the next great power i think would go to n. korea

By 2012 Russia will have a new airforce with all it's upgrades to outdo the F-22 Raptor. Also Russia is spending alot of it's money in Subs and Airforces. Not ten years. N.Korea is a powerful country but they can't support their offencive in a far country, that is another reason why America is a strong country is because they can be deployed anywhere in the world, many people think "Most powerful" because there army is the best in every form, not so. You would be surprised.

[aleister]

yes i agree that n. korea isnt the second but from the sources ive read united kingdom seemed to be second behind the u.s. of course given accounts that both are in iraq the list would change.

[BlackZodiac]

i dont know though i mean russia has its feet on the ground. look at their air force and ground technology. i mean a lot of the technology thats costing us in the middle east is russian or american made. and china is actually almost always one step behind russia. russia was commy before china and russia was democratic before china. not only that china has a large chunk of the population in poverty.

Yes, espessially with people not living in houses, having not enough clean water, and the air is very dirty. They need alot of money to fix that so I can't see China being the number 1 just yett. Russian equipment is amazing, they just got out of a war with Chechnya and they were there for years fighting all Islamic militants, the Russians got the job done.

[iaf0262]

how old was that list. the US hasnt been at the top for quite sometime now. a while actually.

[iaf0262]

yeah and not only that chinas undertaking some dam peoject thats gonna put millions out of homes.

[aleister]

as far as america being the best in every form i would say probably not as far as airforce yes as far as i know america still has the best but if russia keeps sinking money like that into there programs they will be first at some point or another just not right away

[BlackZodiac]

yes i agree that n. korea isnt the second but from the sources ive read united kingdom seemed to be second behind the u.s. of course given accounts that both are in iraq the list would change.

No, Russia has more man power,firepower,airforce, etc. The technology is basically the same when compared. Also more Russians have war experience, then almost every country to add on that. Maybe you read the second biggest force in Iraq...

[aleister]

im not sure how old it was but the one who came up with it probably didnt figure in spending or any type of funding just what appears on the surface

[iaf0262]

the only thing that america is really in the lead in right now is special forces. our S.O.C.O.M. (special operations command) is probly the most sofistocated unit in the world dealing with special forces.

[aleister]

no it was for military supremacy just an unreliable source on based on what some american wished it was

[iaf0262]

well theres your problem. dude you could learn a lot from us. believe me you could learn a lot from the things we know.

[aleister]

yea but if we go to iran even they will have probs because hezbollah

[BlackZodiac]

as far as america being the best in every form i would say probably not as far as airforce yes as far as i know america still has the best but if russia keeps sinking money like that into there programs they will be first at some point or another just not right away

The United States airforce is the best, but that is not everything, Russia,China,Iran,N.Korea and other countrys countries have good air defence programs. Russia also has a great airforce, with experienced pilots. Iran spyed on the USS Ronald Reagan with out it being noticed... Pretty sad, and most Americans think they would smash Iran? HAHA!!!

http://en.rian.ru/onlinenews/20060530/48833304.html

[BlackZodiac]

the only thing that america is really in the lead in right now is special forces. our S.O.C.O.M. (special operations command) is probly the most sofistocated unit in the world dealing with special forces.

True, but Spetsnaz is up there.

[aleister]

and hezbollah would bring the battle to american soil ive heard hezbollah is ten times more aggressive than al qaeda and wed have terrorist attacks every day

[iaf0262]

hezzbolah doesnt really operate outside the middleeast. and as far as them comin here i would almost say let em. america is armed to the teeth. we got more guns than we do under age pregnent single women. key word bein ALMOST

[BlackZodiac]

yea but if we go to iran even they will have probs because hezbollah

And other terrorist units, which the United States could never win that war. Unless, they had nuked them which will never happen, unless something crazy happens.

[aleister]

oh yea well i dont know about other countries people but americans think their invincible i think its just a tactic to feel more secure

[aleister]

if we nuke any middle eastern country oil prices will skyrocket

[BlackZodiac]

and hezbollah would bring the battle to american soil ive heard hezbollah is ten times more aggressive than al qaeda and wed have terrorist attacks every day

No they couldn't, but they would do the United States in pretty well. But you see, the United States are not the only ones in Iraq, there are the French, Russians, Germans, S.Koreans, Japan, Estonia, Croatia and a few others but take note these are only MP's they keep control of the areas taken over by the United States and it's allies, while United States dose most of the work, United Kingdom, France and Germany do a pretty big part in the fighting as well, but don't get me wrong the MP's do soe things to, they just don't have a very big force there to fight, they fight but are ment to police.

[iaf0262]

if we nuke any country i'd be shocked because you cant nuke somone without the atomic energy commision goin nuts. not to mention how thatd look to the rest of the world. "oh look at them americans they just love usin them nukes".

[BlackZodiac]

if we nuke any middle eastern country oil prices will skyrocket

Yeah and you will have to buy from Russia, making them more powerful. But no one will nuke Iraq or Iran, will not happen.

[BlackZodiac]

if we nuke any country i'd be shocked because you cant nuke somone without the atomic energy commision goin nuts. not to mention how thatd look to the rest of the world. "oh look at them americans they just love usin them nukes".

Yeah and I think the UN would have something to say about that for sure.

[aleister]

yes and if we went to iran these countries would feel somewhat obligated to do so and im sure their population wouldnt like that so we would create turmoil in our foreign relations even with our allies

[iaf0262]

yeah. but what scares me more than nukes are short fat crazy people. and drill sergents.

[BlackZodiac]

yes and if we went to iran these countries would feel somewhat obligated to do so and im sure their population wouldnt like that so we would create turmoil in our foreign relations even with our allies

Yeah it probably would end up the United States going in alone... Unless there was a good reason. Then alot of Nato countrys would go in for some of the action.

[aleister]

what about short fat crazy drill sergents

[BlackZodiac]

yeah. but what scares me more than nukes are short fat crazy people. and drill sergents.

Haha, why is that fat short people scare you?

[aleister]

well the only reason to go there is to stop nuclear energy i mean cmon

[iaf0262]

well we already have created turmoil with our allies. mainly the french. but they have never done anything for themselves but lose. veitnam, napolian, wwI, WWII.

[aleister]

the best way to see the french navy is from a glass bottom boat

[iaf0262]

well because they can sneak to the f***** and back to the couch without you ever knowing and before long your starving and hes complainin there aint food. and the drill sergents like to spit i cant stand it.

[BlackZodiac]

the best way to see the french navy is from a glass bottom boat

Their navy was never the best, but they do have a great Airforce.

[suffertheconsequences]

Iran to the store and back

[iaf0262]

yeah they do but i will say this about the french and this is the only time youll ever hear me say anything good about the french. we would not have won the revolutionary war without the help of the frech navy. i willl give that credit.

[aleister]

yea that and that bullshit priory of sion myth without it wed have no da vinci code we would be utterly lost

[iaf0262]

he had a church of satan phase. thats kinda stupid.

[aleister]

haha aleister wasnt a satanist but yea i followed the satanic philosophy for a bit lmao i know i know

[BlackZodiac]

haha aleister wasnt a satanist but yea i followed the satanic philosophy for a bit lmao i know i know

I would never follow any of the Satanist stuff, not my thing.

[aleister]

not mine anymore but easily to say im no christian

[iaf0262]

well personnally that stuffs just bullshit. i was in the army with one of those guys and he wasnt the kinda guy that anybody wanted to hang around even in combat then one night a mortar hit two trailers from his and he was medivaced but nothin too serious. but hes the only guy that we didnt care if he was there or gone.

[aleister]

yea most satanists are selfish greedy bastards and even a satanist hates most other satanists its really quite funny to imagine 2 guys arguing over wich method is the best for the black mass lol

[BlackZodiac]

Here are some pictures of the Iranian military...
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7227/iran6zmwp3.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iran6zmwp3.jpg)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9087/15573iranarmy2512006il7.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15573iranarmy2512006il7.jpg)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/30/102174origfk1.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=102174origfk1.jpg)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3016/103276orig5mhsv5.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=103276orig5mhsv5.jpg)

[BlackZodiac]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4896/119940origjz4.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=119940origjz4.jpg)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9461/123435origsc6.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=123435origsc6.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2301/123446origey9.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=123446origey9.jpg)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6533/8011073kn0.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8011073kn0.jpg)

[BlackZodiac]

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3863/v12hx6.th.png (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v12hx6.png)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4590/picture0205fu0.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0205fu0.jpg)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/933/ph41mt2.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph41mt2.jpg)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9205/phbo9gryu9.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phbo9gryu9.jpg)

[BlackZodiac]

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3791/s300favorit1dm4.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s300favorit1dm4.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7086/iranmissilebalistiqueshgr9.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iranmissilebalistiqueshgr9.jpg)

[aleister]

with that sort of equipment and the devotion carried by those people i dont think america can afford that kind of war

[iblowshitup4aliving]

i am in the military and i assure you the war is over nor did we win in 2 weeks.... we are losing this war as far as im concerned... ive lost many friends over there and we cant seem to put an end to the shinanigans. they hit us with everything all the time whenever they can and theres really nothing we can do about it. we cant see them and they are hard to track down but we do our best... iran is not a problem,its israel we have to worry about fighting. biblically speaking "noone has ever beatin the holy land nor ever will." ontop of that as far as im concerned they have a military force pretty much equaling ours with weapons that are even better than ours... all we can do is kill those savage bastards and piss on their graves!!!

[BlackZodiac]

i am in the military and i assure you the war is over nor did we win in 2 weeks.... we are losing this war as far as im concerned... ive lost many friends over there and we cant seem to put an end to the shinanigans. they hit us with everything all the time whenever they can and theres really nothing we can do about it. we cant see them and they are hard to track down but we do our best... iran is not a problem,its israel we have to worry about fighting. biblically speaking "noone has ever beatin the holy land nor ever will." ontop of that as far as im concerned they have a military force pretty much equaling ours with weapons that are even better than ours... all we can do is kill those savage bastards and piss on their graves!!!

You're not in the military at all, and also you do not know what you are talking about. Israel is the United States an Allied country to the United States!!! You have no clue to what you're talking about maybe you should consider thinking up of a story before you start typing bullshit you do not know what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-United_States_relations
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8602200210

[BlackZodiac]

with that sort of equipment and the devotion carried by those people i dont think america can afford that kind of war

Well the United States couldn't for sure, the United States would have to fight their military (Which is the strongest in the whole Middle East), and after the fighting between the two militarys, the United States would then be facing militant forces for a long period of time.

[aleister]

that as well as hezbollah attacks that will never stop

[iaf0262]

theres no way your in the military. if you really are name your branch, division, and rank and m.o.s. illtell you right now you aint because if you were you would know the war wasnt on iraq it was on terror being fought in iraq and afghanistan. the war isnt over its only just begun. believe me i would know.

1st sgt. brandt
sfod a team 14
former member of task force panther

[BlackZodiac]

theres no way your in the military. if you really are name your branch, division, and rank and m.o.s. illtell you right now you aint because if you were you would know the war wasnt on iraq it was on terror being fought in iraq and afghanistan. the war isnt over its only just begun. believe me i would know.

1st sgt. brandt
sfod a team 14
former member of task force panther

Don't even bother asking, hes studying up on it now and in 2 months he will respond to your post.

[B.Cadizzle]

the isralies would be easier if you ask me just for the fact that they r uniformed so you know whos who but if they ues the same tatices as the iraqies then were fuck

[aleister]

no they use powerful military force and it would crush us

[B.Cadizzle]

well what ever i dont really care just wanting to put that out there

[BlackZodiac]

the isralies would be easier if you ask me just for the fact that they r uniformed so you know whos who but if they ues the same tatices as the iraqies then were fuck

Were talking about fighting Iran not Israel (One of the United States Allies) and for that fact Israel would probably win (With the way the United States is right now). Second of all, once America beat Iran hence "Once" and I don't mean in a few weeks either, then they would be up against Muhajedeen, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and a few other militant groups after the Iranian military was defeated (If it was).

[BlackZodiac]

no they use powerful military force and it would crush us

No they would not crush the United States... They do have very good military equipment though, such as the TAR-21, ballistic armor and a few others, they are a good fighting nation that can afford a war, at this state of time the Americans can not, they would be crushed in defeat by lack of funding and probably slowly get their asses handed to them.

[iaf0262]

not only that the isreali tank is probly the best in the world. the tank crews that pilot them have actual tank warfare experience and we arent ever gonna go to war with isreal because they arent the problem. if anything they are helping the unitedstates in this war. dumbasses.

[aleister]

well the fact is that i know well nevergo to war with isreal and yes at this time we would be defeated by isreal the usa is not at that level any more the war in iraq has seen to it

[BlackZodiac]

not only that the isreali tank is probly the best in the world. the tank crews that pilot them have actual tank warfare experience and we arent ever gonna go to war with isreal because they arent the problem. if anything they are helping the unitedstates in this war. dumbasses.

Ummm, the worlds best talk all around is the Leopard tank, not the Merkava.

[BlackZodiac]

well the fact is that i know well nevergo to war with isreal and yes at this time we would be defeated by isreal the usa is not at that level any more the war in iraq has seen to it

lol, you're fucked man, some of the things you say make me laugh my ass off. Take it as a complement.

[iaf0262]

Ummm, the worlds best talk all around is the Leopard tank, not the Merkava.

but after you factor in the fact that the merkava is an upgraded challenger and has been tested as welll as the tank crews that pilot them have actual experience in tank warfare all around the isreali tank could take on an abrams or leopord any day. its not like its a sherman takin on a tiger or anything. it all comes down to skill when these tanks face off and the isrealis have been in tank engagements off and on since the russians started passin out t54-55s.
and when it comes down to the skill category the isrealis win hands down. the leopard is actually being replaced in amny countries by the abrams and hercules.

[BlackZodiac]

but after you factor in the fact that the merkava is an upgraded challenger and has been tested as welll as the tank crews that pilot them have actual experience in tank warfare all around the isreali tank could take on an abrams or leopord any day. its not like its a sherman takin on a tiger or anything. it all comes down to skill when these tanks face off and the isrealis have been in tank engagements off and on since the russians started passin out t54-55s.
and when it comes down to the skill category the isrealis win hands down. the leopard is actually being replaced in amny countries by the abrams and hercules.

The Merkava Mark IV (The latest Israeli MBT) uses the Rheinmetall 120mm gun that is developed in Germany, the others use a 105 mm smoothbore cannon, along with the 7.62 mm machine guns. The NBC system is one of the latest systems out there (nuclear, biological, chemical) the Merkava Mark IV (Standard) dose not come with any type of ERA systems (explosive reactive armour) and the T-90 has the 125MM smoothbore cannon, it has the latest NBC systems on it along with the ERA system. The reason why the Abram is better then the Merkava is because it's armour and main gun is dominant when compared.

The Leopard 2A6 is alot better then the Merkava, this tank is not being replaced anywhere in the world. No one has boughten the Merkava? The Russians sold so many T-90, the Abrams have sold a little, along with the Leopard's are selling like crazy.

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm

[Burning_Pyro]

TO: all of the people who think that the US is weak.
Do you guys realize that Just the Marine Corps has over 200 fully operational f-18 aircraft? not to mention the helicopters, tanks, harriers, etc? We don't even specialize in air warfare. The airforce has way more shit than we do. O, you can debate the best tank all you want, but that is what the a-10 was designed for. The harrier is also an effective tank killer. O I forgot to mention the Navy and their super hornets. Like I said elsewhere. Once you piss off/unite The US as a whole. It is a very bad day for whoever has done so. In regards to Iraq, Unless you have been there then you don't have any right to talk about whats going on. I have been, got back in march.

[faggypunk]

what burning pyro is trying to say is: he's proud that the US has all the weapons that they want... and we'll go to war with you if you have them too!

[Burning_Pyro]

I was trying to prove a point. Most people that talk about our capabilities, really don't know shit about what we can or can't do. If the people support us, there is almost nothing that we can't do. Look how far hitler went with Germany.

[faggypunk]

you're right, but don't count on support
england had the balls to back us up in iraq for a while... thats it

the rest of the world hates america

[B.Cadizzle]

no shit really i didnt know that(sarcasm flows from the mouth)

[BlackZodiac]

I was trying to prove a point. Most people that talk about our capabilities, really don't know shit about what we can or can't do. If the people support us, there is almost nothing that we can't do. Look how far hitler went with Germany.

Yeah, look when the United States jumped in to the war, there was one year left of that war when the United States jumped in for the fighting, second. The Soviets took out Hitler.

[BlackZodiac]

TO: all of the people who think that the US is weak.
Do you guys realize that Just the Marine Corps has over 200 fully operational f-18 aircraft? not to mention the helicopters, tanks, harriers, etc? We don't even specialize in air warfare. The airforce has way more shit than we do. O, you can debate the best tank all you want, but that is what the a-10 was designed for. The harrier is also an effective tank killer. O I forgot to mention the Navy and their super hornets. Like I said elsewhere. Once you piss off/unite The US as a whole. It is a very bad day for whoever has done so. In regards to Iraq, Unless you have been there then you don't have any right to talk about whats going on. I have been, got back in march.

"TO: all of the people who think that the US is weak."
-I don't think the United States is weak, but for one person who says the United States can do this and that and take over the world, is going to far.

"Do you guys realize that Just the Marine Corps has over 200 fully operational f-18 aircraft?"
-Do you realize that more then 50% of Marines were ex cons? Also 200 is pretty impressive, but did you realize that the Russians have over 5000 fighter jets? Just fighter jets that are 4th generation (The same as F-18s).

"O, you can debate the best tank all you want, but that is what the a-10 was designed for."
-SU-24, SU-30, Mig-29, Su-35, Su-34, Su-33, Su-32 will take the A-10 out with ease, don't think just because the A-10 can take out tanks that it has no weaknesses, also an SA-11 will have no problem taking out most of American aircraft.

"O I forgot to mention the Navy and their super hornets."
- You watch too much military stuff on TLC... The "Super hornet" is nothing but a fixed up F-18, the F-22 Raptor will take it out, or a Gripen for that matter.

" It is a very bad day for whoever has done so. In regards to Iraq, Unless you have been there then you don't have any right to talk about whats going on. I have been, got back in march."
- Messing around with the United States is very dumb, but for some reason I don't really think you are in the military... You like the M2's? Here's a question you should know with no trouble, dose the M2 take a 7.62mm or a 14.5 mm?

[Burning_Pyro]

I was not saying that we took hitler out, I was saying look how far he went when he united his people under one goal

[Burning_Pyro]

The super hornet.. a "fixed up f-18". OK now have you ever seen one? There is a huge difference in the f-18c than the f-18e. Just becuase they have the same number doesent mean that they are the same jet. They share the same forward section and thats it. different everything else. The super is a good 1/3 bigger than the standard hornet. Not that the actual aircraft matters as much as the ordance it carries. Look the Ma-deuce fires a .50 cal. round. The only time that the # 7.62 even plays into it, is when utilizing the S.L.A.P. Round. It has a 7.62 center made of tungsten(armor piercing). O and as a matter of fact I am not to keen on the Ma-duece. I prefer single precise shots over masses of lead, although they do have their uses.

[Burning_Pyro]

Your sa-11 looks very similar to the patriot missile defence system, except that it has 1/4 the fire power.

[BlackZodiac]

The super hornet.. a "fixed up f-18". OK now have you ever seen one? There is a huge difference in the f-18c than the f-18e. Just becuase they have the same number doesent mean that they are the same jet. They share the same forward section and thats it. different everything else. The super is a good 1/3 bigger than the standard hornet. Not that the actual aircraft matters as much as the ordance it carries. Look the Ma-deuce fires a .50 cal. round. The only time that the # 7.62 even plays into it, is when utilizing the S.L.A.P. Round. It has a 7.62 center made of tungsten(armor piercing). O and as a matter of fact I am not to keen on the Ma-duece. I prefer single precise shots over masses of lead, although they do have their uses.

"The super hornet.. a "fixed up f-18". OK now have you ever seen one? There is a huge difference in the f-18c than the f-18e. Just becuase they have the same number doesent mean that they are the same jet. They share the same forward section and thats it. different everything else. The super is a good 1/3 bigger than the standard hornet. Not that the actual aircraft matters as much as the ordance it carries."

F-18
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6476/f18ne4.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f18ne4.jpg)

"Super Hornet"
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3001/airf18esuperhornetparkexv9.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airf18esuperhornetparkexv9.jpg)

F-22 Raptor (Beautiful jet, but very very pricy)
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/978/f221gb6.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f221gb6.jpg)

The real history behind it was that the United States needed more advanced fighters, but since the army was a little bit downgraded, they went for the cheapest thing and that was the "Super hornet" by upgrading the F-18s to be the 1st jets to be in the 5th gen era. And now they ended up making the F-22 Raptor years later.

[BlackZodiac]

Your sa-11 looks very similar to the patriot missile defence system, except that it has 1/4 the fire power.



-The system has little chance of success against a massive scale attack or against a terrorist strike.

-The towering costs for a system that may never be used would be better spent on fighting poverty, improving education, etc.

-Spending large amounts of money on these types of projects leads to unwinnable, useless arms races.

"On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Scud hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the US Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

Also the missles used cost between 2.5\3.5 million each, that is enough for 1/2 SA 11's or the Tunguska-M1. That will take down any air-craft or missle. The Patriot missle system is not to reliable.

[Burning_Pyro]

I hate to inform you of this, but you have 2 pictures of the same jet. They are both supers.

[AbstractHorizon]

Both you provide powerful information from your differing oppinions.

Zodiac, once again, you've proven your genious, and have incredible booksmarts/research ability.

Pyro, you have military know-how and personal experience.

You two are the sole reasons why if anyone decided to take the bold action of invading North America, (and the fact that both our coutries posess unlimited technology and financial backing), no one would ever succeed.

It comes down to this:

No country can ever be invaded, conquered, and then controlled...It goes against all the laws of human instinct and survival. You must totally eradicate your enemy with all your means...extermination.

Hitler tried, didn't succeed...he should've dealt with his military threats (U.S.S.R.) before his political adversaries (The Jewish Nation).

The United States, with all our debt and despair, is undoubtedly the strongest world hegemony existing today, there is no question that..but nothing lasts forever.

Against all laws of nuclear proliferation, the only defeat for our country would come from a world rebellion against us, where all nations demand the debts we have with them be repayed (especially China, of whom we are in debt to in the hundreds of billions). THis would result in all-out turmoil, and a last ditch effort to take everyone down with us...Nuclear holocaust, and the end of the world.

End of story.

[BlackZodiac]

I hate to inform you of this, but you have 2 pictures of the same jet. They are both supers.

Hate to inform you but they are the same jets but difference is that ones upgraded.

Also, it's not so "super" either.

So, when putting fighter/bombers over Afghan targets, which aircraft led the charge? – the tried-and-true F-14D Tomcat with the F/A-18 Hornet well behind.

To avoid Silkworm-class missiles, the carrier battle group probably would not want to venture north of a line joining Masqat, Oman and Ahmadabad, Pakistan. Along this line, the group would be somewhat west of Karachi. Reaching Kabul would require a one-way flight of roughly 825 statute miles. Assuming the use of S-3 tankers, an F-14D strike, refueling somewhere between Quetta and Sukkur, Pakistan, wouldn’t have any trouble attacking targets in the northernmost parts of Afghanistan. If, however, an F/A-18E/F refuels in the same spot, it will barely make it to Kabul. The un-refueled radius of an F-14D carrying the normal strike load (four 2,000 pound LGBs, two Phoenix missiles, and two Sidewinders, plus 675 roundsof 20mm, and two, 280 gallon external tanks) is at least 500 statute miles.

The F-14D will be replaced by the F/A-18E Super Hornet, which attempts deep-interdiction missions. Though it’s a whizzy little airshow performer with a nice, modern cockpit, it has only 36 percent of the F-14D’s payload/range capability. The F/A-18E Super Hornet has been improved but still has, at best, 50 percent of the F-14D’s capability to deliver a fixed number of bombs (in pounds) on target. This naturally means that the carrier radius of influence drops to 50 percent of what it would have been with the same number of F-14Ds. As a result, the area of influence (not radius) drops 23 percent! No wonder the USN is working on “buddy tanker� versions of the Super Hornet.

By the way, now that the A-6 tanker has gone, how will the Hornets get to deep-interdiction targets?

Although the Navy has been working very hard to correct F/A-18E/F OPEVAL problems, it is worth summing them up: the production of the F/A-18E/F is significantly overweight with respect to its specifications (30,000 pounds empty weight). This is far in excess of what one would expect for a variant of an existing F/A-18 A, B, C, or D. Aircraft weight estimation methods could, and should, have been much better; in fact, when we look objectively at the F/A-28E/F, we see an airplane with a brand-new wing, new fuselage and new empennage – in other words, a new airplane. This is, therefore, what Congress would call a “new start.� Both Congress and the Department of Defense (DOD) had to be looking the other way when the Navy was permitted to slip this airplane by as a simple modification of an existing airplane.

In combat-maneuvering flight, the aircraft had severe “wing-dropâ€ÂÂÂ� problems that defied resolution, despite the use of every aerodynamic analytical tool available. Eventually, one test pilot cam up with a “leaky-fold-jointâ€ÂÂÂ� fix that opened chordwise air slots to aspirate the wing’s upper surface flow and thereby prevent the sharp stalling of one wing before the other. The stalled more or less together, but much easier and more severely than before. This new fix is what the aerodynamicists call a “band aid.â€ÂÂÂ� It causes aircraft buffeting, which is generally a source of wing drag. But a “fixââ ‚¬ÂÂÂ� that combined “acceptableÃà ‚¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ÂÂ� wing drop with “acceptableÃà ‚¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ÂÂ� buffeting had been achieved. One test pilot commented dryly, “Iâââ €šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d like the buffeting levels to be a little lower so I could read the heads-up display!

Owing to its high drag and weight (and probably other factors), the F/A-18E is significantly poorer in acceleration than the F/A-18A. Also, its combat ceiling is substantially lower, and its transonic drag rise is very high. We have stayed in touch with some pilots at the Navy’s test center and have gathered some mind boggling anecdotal information. Here are some examples:

An F/A-18A was used to “chaseâà ¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â� an F-14D test flight. The F-14D was carrying four 2,000-pound bombs, two 280-gallon drop tanks, two Phoenix missiles and two Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. The chase airplane was in a relatively “cleanâà ¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â� configuration with only a centerline fuel tank. At the end of each test flight, the chase airplane was several miles behind the test airplane when the chase airplane reached “bingoâà ¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â� fuel and had to return to base.

An F/A-18E Super Hornet is tested using the same chase airplane, an earlier model Hornet, in the same configuration. The chase airplane does not need full thrust to stay with the test airplane.

An F/A-18E/F in maximum afterburner thrust cannot exceed Mach 1.0 in level flight below 10,000 feet even when it is in the clean configuration (no external stores). At 10,000 feet, the F-14D can exceed Mach 1.6.

A quote from a Hornet pilot is devastatingly frank: “The aircraft is slower than most fighters fielded since the early 1960s.�

The most devastating comment came from a Hornet pilot who flew numerous side-by-side comparison flights with F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and says: “We outran them, we out-flew them and we ran them out of gas. I was embarrassed for them.�

"We, the Navy, did "bad!" For purely political reasons, we decided to try to "replace" the F-14 Tomcat with an "improved" F/A-18 Hornet and Super Hornet. Wrong!

The whole idea was to have commonality of parts, support equipment and training wherever possible. Believe me, "commonality" saves more than a third of the "life-cycle cost" of a modem-day fighter."

Take a good read at this one.

"The multi-mission F/A-18E/F "Super Hornet" strike fighter is an upgrade of the combat-proven night strike F/A-18C/D."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-18ef.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200206/ai_n9114018
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/595147/posts
http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/F-18/index.htm

Get your fucking facts straight or I will set them for you, don't try becasue I will not quit. You're not in the military and I highly doubt it with the knowledge you have shown me, I'm not talking about the M2 (Known in any battle area as the the ".50" and I never been in a battle zone but I know a few that have, and they know alot more then you do and we also take a good laugh at your posts.

[iaf0262]

well as far as im concerned the jet is only as good as the pilot flying it.

[BlackZodiac]

well as far as im concerned the jet is only as good as the pilot flying it.

You have a good point, but it is rather split 50/50.

[MightyManlyPants]

If we just said fuck the world and practiced isolationism then it would still fuck are country up. Listen. The Middle East has a government and oil if we stayed out of countries like that then economies all around would go into depression. When one part of the world is damaged then the rest of the world is also damaged. America is the only country in history that has policed the world for the purpose of keeping a stable world(and America for that matter) and not just invading the world. We gave back land, such as the Phillipines and Cuba, which is evidence that are interest are not conquest.

[BlackZodiac]

If we just said fuck the world and practiced isolationism then it would still fuck are country up. Listen. The Middle East has a government and oil if we stayed out of countries like that then economies all around would go into depression. When one part of the world is damaged then the rest of the world is also damaged. America is the only country in history that has policed the world for the purpose of keeping a stable world(and America for that matter) and not just invading the world. We gave back land, such as the Phillipines and Cuba, which is evidence that are interest are not conquest.

Wrong... There are many other countries in the world that have alot of oil such as Mexico,United States,Russia and a few others, Canada is up there but they arn't tapping in to their major oil reserves yet, so when oil prices go up then Canada will start refining, making alot of money. The United States started to really police the world after the Soviet Untion fell. The United States never gave back land to Cuba, the United States tryed to invade Cuba and lost. And the the United States used the Phillipines to place military bases in South East Asia, to keep down the communist threat.

[aleister]

america as far as im concerned tries to police the world in the most fucked up ways what we do we dont want anyone else to do i just had a friend die in iraq tuesday (adrian worthington) he was in special forces so my disdain for our government has been amplified a bit fuck republicans fuck democrats fuck independants fuck politicians all together

[N2O]

I don't know why people whinge about it being the governments fault when a soldier dies in a WAR ZONE.

When you're in the business of death, you're eventually going to get a taste of it yourself.

Maybe you should all stop worrying about political strife abroad, and start focusing on your self destructing 'government' at home.

[aleister]

well he knew the risks and i support our troops i just want to see them exiting Iraq i have other freinds over their and ive maintained a complete focus on all the topics of our government and the vote in 08 is gonna be extre***y important.

[N2O]

so important that everyone votes?
I doubt it.

[aleister]

not that its so important that everyone votes just that the right person gets voted in and its still early but im leaning towards john edwards but shit may change

[cartoon mania]

i think we need to first of all make peace with all the countries that hate us because sooner or later some one is going to nuke the fuck out of us

[BlackZodiac]

i think we need to first of all make peace with all the countries that hate us because sooner or later some one is going to nuke the fuck out of us

The United States will never do that, they are a powerful nation (Which is deteriorating from it's superpower state), they send all this "Aid" to these counties in Africa, and take their expencive goods, such as diamonds or oil. And no worry to be getting "Nuked the fuck out of" you Americans still building that giant death star? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! For the ones who don't know Ronald Reagan had this plan called "Star wars" to build a giant lazer in space to shoot Soviet missles... Talk about stupid, the Soviets (Russians now) are the only ones with a reliable accurate missle defence systems.

[aleister]

if we tried to make peace with every country that hated us wed be talking bout the same thing in 100 years were to begin and not to mention some countries will never like us it just wont happen.