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vaztarak
January 1st, 2010, 03:04 AM
I'm a teenager - what's new? - at high school - cliche much? So anyways, our capitalist Christmas break is almost over, but I have an issue I thought I should post on this forum.

About two months ago, two major events occurred in my school related life.

First, I wanted to experience a, if you call it this, militaristic-sort-of-training that my school offered - Junior ROTC, Marine Core JRTOC, whatever you wanna call it. This course is generally in a classroom and we are taught leadership skills as well as discipline and general American military related things. I switched out of a math course (because I already have enough math credits to graduate) into this one.

Second, the teacher of the French-language class I am in did something I see rather unconstitutional.

(Now, up until this year, I refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance because I saw it as anti-freedom and more towards nationalism or even fascism at that. I generally have an outlook on Marxism, pure democracy, and even Anarchy. Standing and pledging, making an oath to a nation, is ridiculous. First off, its as bad as the Nazi's enforcing the Zieg Heils along with pledging their life for the Fatherland. Second off, I'm a natural-born-citizen, and I'm given the right to choose to stand or not, let alone the fact that I'm born here is good enough. I'm giving an oath to a cloth that is a mere symbol. So showing respect for a change, because this country does in fact give me freedom and rights, I began to stand.)

Prior to this year as well, my previous French-language teacher had addressed the class for not standing, and basically stated that everyone needs to stand. My french teacher this year did the same thing. Both of them reasoned that we need to stand out of respect because soldiers are fighting for our freedom in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East. She also reasoned that these kids a few years older than us are dying for our country.

First off, I believe the woman contradicted herself completely. She reasoned that we must stand for voluntary soldiers, who through their own will, decided to fight in a war against what we have deemed as terrorism. They are also establishing democracy and giving these oppressed people who do not have choices or any rights to choose, these said rights they lack.

So from that day forth, I refused to stand altogether. I found that she was committing a practical crime at that. So this lasted for a few weeks until I was one day, before all classes, my instructor in ROTC wanted to speak with me. I at the time had earned my way up from a Private to a Sergeant, and showed my dedicated to the program. He said that my French teacher wanted me to stand for the Pledge, and he told me that I cannot sit, that I do in fact in school have to stand, just not pledge or repeat the verses.

Next day, I have her class. She pulls me outside her classroom and says she wants to have a word with me. I ask her if its about my lack of pledging, and she says yes, in which I told her the instructor already addressed and corrected me. So that class, I stood for the pledge. What else was I going to do, get suspended? Who knows, but I submitted and stood.

So this day I talk to a few friends about it, and they tell me to go see some sort of professional and see if, you know, this is even legal for these teachers to be doing that. I go to my History teacher who I'm quite friendly with and he goes online for me and finds out that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled around 1940 that students do not have to stand or pledge to the flag while in school, whatsoever.

Him being my first period on certain days, he knows I do not have a problem with standing, because I stand in his class. So I stood in this other class as well until we got out on vacation, which was two days total of standing for the damned pledge.

So I come here asking, what should I do? Should I fight for my rights? I'd like opinions and anything that can be said, said.

P.S. Happy New Years - I want to make the best out of this one.

Buddha
January 1st, 2010, 12:15 PM
I dont care enough to read that whole thing.

Warpurlgis
January 1st, 2010, 08:12 PM
I'm a teenager - what's new? - at high school - cliche much? So anyways, our capitalist Christmas break is almost over, but I have an issue I thought I should post on this forum.


Capitalist how?



About two months ago, two major events occurred in my school related life.

First, I wanted to experience a, if you call it this, militaristic-sort-of-training that my school offered - Junior ROTC, Marine Core JRTOC, whatever you wanna call it. This course is generally in a classroom and we are taught leadership skills as well as discipline and general American military related things. I switched out of a math course (because I already have enough math credits to graduate) into this one.




Second, the teacher of the French-language class I am in did something I see rather unconstitutional.


Then it most likely was, seeing as you already sound like the kind of person that tries to oppose everything.



(Now, up until this year, I refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance because I saw it as anti-freedom and more towards nationalism or even fascism at that. I generally have an outlook on Marxism, pure democracy, and even Anarchy. Standing and pledging, making an oath to a nation, is ridiculous. First off, its as bad as the Nazi's enforcing the Zieg Heils along with pledging their life for the Fatherland. Second off, I'm a natural-born-citizen, and I'm given the right to choose to stand or not, let alone the fact that I'm born here is good enough. I'm giving an oath to a cloth that is a mere symbol. So showing respect for a change, because this country does in fact give me freedom and rights, I began to stand.)


You are required to respect the people around who believe in this country by standing, you however are not required to say the pledge. The pledge is an act of anti-freedom?, then the next sentence you talk about your beliefs in Marxism, I'm very confused about how this works. The country you live in maintains and upholds the freedoms you posses, by not even respecting the pledge you are denying you are part of this country and are basically denying your rights. Nazism has nothing to do with the pledge. I guarantee you have something that symbolizes your believes in a materialistic form as flags and clothing do for many. I assume you started standing after you got in trouble for not standing.



Prior to this year as well, my previous French-language teacher had addressed the class for not standing, and basically stated that everyone needs to stand. My french teacher this year did the same thing. Both of them reasoned that we need to stand out of respect because soldiers are fighting for our freedom in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East. She also reasoned that these kids a few years older than us are dying for our country.


In saying everything she did, she was correct.



First off, I believe the woman contradicted herself completely. She reasoned that we must stand for voluntary soldiers, who through their own will, decided to fight in a war against what we have deemed as terrorism. They are also establishing democracy and giving these oppressed people who do not have choices or any rights to choose, these said rights they lack.


If someone didn't fight for their own believes they would simply not have them and be taken over by another group that does fight for their believes. So for a minute do not criticize those who have more guts then you could ever.



So from that day forth, I refused to stand altogether. I found that she was committing a practical crime at that. So this lasted for a few weeks until I was one day, before all classes, my instructor in ROTC wanted to speak with me. I at the time had earned my way up from a Private to a Sergeant, and showed my dedicated to the program. He said that my French teacher wanted me to stand for the Pledge, and he told me that I cannot sit, that I do in fact in school have to stand, just not pledge or repeat the verses.


You being in ROTC and not respecting the flag, such an irony. Why did you even join ROTC in the first place. You completely contradict yourself.



Next day, I have her class. She pulls me outside her classroom and says she wants to have a word with me. I ask her if its about my lack of pledging, and she says yes, in which I told her the instructor already addressed and corrected me. So that class, I stood for the pledge. What else was I going to do, get suspended? Who knows, but I submitted and stood.


Which are legally required to do, and should do out of respect.



So this day I talk to a few friends about it, and they tell me to go see some sort of professional and see if, you know, this is even legal for these teachers to be doing that. I go to my History teacher who I'm quite friendly with and he goes online for me and finds out that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled around 1940 that students do not have to stand or pledge to the flag while in school, whatsoever.


Your friends are your problem. your history teacher is wrong, they rules that your aren't required to pledge, but required to stand.



Him being my first period on certain days, he knows I do not have a problem with standing, because I stand in his class. So I stood in this other class as well until we got out on vacation, which was two days total of standing for the damned pledge.


Shit standing for about 20 seconds, that must have killed you.



So I come here asking, what should I do? Should I fight for my rights? I'd like opinions and anything that can be said, said.

P.S. Happy New Years - I want to make the best out of this one.


You don't like the rules here well fuck; leave. Go somewhere else they have similar rules if they aren't third world. Third world countries have generally stronger rules on respect for the nation, so your fucked there.

You and everyone else in the world have to live by rules that they may find unfair. Some choose to comply to them, others choose to oppose them. The ones who abide by them have it easier. Those who oppose them get it harder.

I don't say the pledge, I stand for it. I don't recite it because I don't support the current president. I stand in respect for it because of the Presidents, Politicians, and Armed services that have done right by maintaining this country.

Don't come here in hope that someone will give you their opinion in your favor. This isn't an Anarchist site nor will it ever be. If it really bothers you to get up, stand, and the sit back down in respect, then you are a piece of shit.

~War~

Warpurlgis
January 1st, 2010, 08:13 PM
Why the fuck is it when I click edit to fix the quoting I make another post ?

V for vermicelli
January 2nd, 2010, 01:21 PM
You live in america you dumb fuck of course you're going to be forced to worship some flag by crazy brainwashed fucks

Haha on this topic i was watching that shitty american show friends the other day and in their primary school there's this stitched thing of an american flag saying
"This is our flag, be proud of it!"


Bwahaha, when i play online games sometimes i make an american flag and set it on fire and have americans go batshit insane at me over microphone

Warpurlgis
January 2nd, 2010, 09:33 PM
You live in america you dumb fuck of course you're going to be forced to worship some flag by crazy brainwashed fucks

Haha on this topic i was watching that shitty american show friends the other day and in their primary school there's this stitched thing of an american flag saying
"This is our flag, be proud of it!"


Bwahaha, when i play online games sometimes i make an american flag and set it on fire and have americans go batshit insane at me over microphone

You can choose not to say the pledge. Thats whats great about America I guess. The least you can do is respect the people who maintain the country.

V for vermicelli
January 3rd, 2010, 06:11 AM
I would respect americans, but they are fat

anarchojoseph
January 4th, 2010, 09:49 AM
Public education is inherently socialist.

um, anyway, I was a member of JROTC in hs. It was ok, I joined it to get out of class, but I was never able to get beyond the rank of private lol. oh well.

Surprised that she had a problem with you not wanting to sing that. Isn't Massachusetts liberal land?

Warpurlgis
January 5th, 2010, 06:12 PM
I would respect americans, but they are fat

O rly?.....

V for vermicelli
January 6th, 2010, 03:32 AM
Naahhh americans are pretty cool... They made windows which EVERYBODY loves sooo much...


....all my fucking files and games, gone.....EVERYTHING........

Warpurlgis
January 6th, 2010, 09:53 PM
Lol I'm not comparable to fat

Warpurlgis
January 7th, 2010, 07:53 AM
Amen war. In America we don't have people who suicide bomb something like every day. We don't have dictators killing people left and right. We don't have a theocracy. We are pretty secure. We can pretty much speak our minds and not be censored. We can worship however we want. Hard work goes a shit load further in America than in some countries. We have it pretty good in America. So show a little fucking respect please.

I would just like to add, there are rules every where. You may not like how things are in America because your some what of a brat, but hell I'd take the rules of a democracy over any other form of government any day.

V for vermicelli
January 7th, 2010, 08:38 AM
Now may be a good time to put in, ENGLAND IS TEH SUXORS

Warpurlgis
January 9th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Umm I declare this child raped

johnsmith9
January 10th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Dude, pick your battles. I get what you're saying, but is it really worth it

Warpurlgis
January 12th, 2010, 06:36 PM
Dude, pick your battles. I get what you're saying, but is it really worth it

If you agree with that faggot in the slightest way, you can GTFO off this site.

xXcrockXx
January 30th, 2011, 09:48 PM
lol the fact that a kid brought the constitution into standing up ten seconds a day

fucking kids theses days, think democracy is their god given right

xXcrockXx
February 8th, 2011, 04:24 AM
Ha ha ha antifa!!

whatever that means :P