Relegion is the root of evil.

[killa696]

my view on religion:
RELIGION IS THE ROOT OF EVIL

thousands of years of persecution, hitler, thinking that your idea is better so you force it on someone else, pedophiles using religion as a easy way to get targets... list goes on. think of horrible things that have happened in the history of humans and most will be linked to religion.

:D:D:D:D

p.s., this is my view, not here to debate.

[ravenscar]

so then everyone is the root of evil........nice

[sylvanarchy]

so wait. if religion is the root of evil, that with no religion there will be no evil...

...let's rethink this one, shall we?

[Art Rebel]

Thread fail.

i'd say more but i dont care that much...

[mario_0606]

then shut your bitch ss up.....i agree...it is the root of all evil

[ravenscar]

your opinions dont matter in any thread mario,

[mario_0606]

Like i saif fuck your bitch ass

[ravenscar]

hey that comment just made you gay

[skittleskitten]

if religion is evil then come get me, cuz im not burning in with a faggot like you

[Palmer]

I have never seen religion as a whole forced on people... Certain religions do, but not all of them.

And how does Hitler fit in there?
Hitler's views were based on National-Socialism, not Christianity. Just because he believed on God does not believe that is what caused him to lead a nation in such a way.

For the record, he killed Jews, but that is over estimated by over 20 million in each country, including Germany. Plus, that was also not based on religion, it's that Jews came from a specific place at the time which then they had a distinct look and specific genes- while Hitler was also a eugenicist. Eugenics does not focus on religion or race, but genes in general.

[hdeuce]

Maybe evil is just at the root of all religions.

[ravenscar]

hmmm....interesting

[killa696]

just my view. but then again, i dont beleive what i can't prove.
i just think that if everyone believed in themselves and not a god(s) that the world would be a better place.

[freetibet]

its people like killa 696 that persecute believers...

asshole

[Palmer]

A lot of religious people believe in themselves... Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they have recently hit rock bottom and that's where they turned to as a result...

[saskwche]

Not all religions are persecutors and since where on the topic of religion the root of evil is sin and satan makes you sin so there is your root and like stated by other this is my opinion.

[hdeuce]

The root of evil in the christian religions is sin. But you cant say that the root of evil is sin. Because depending on your mores, and morals, the definition of evil will change. Evil to me is Global Corporations who put profits ahead of humanity, like Wal-mart. Evil to me is governmental propaganda keeping the sheep in line. Evil to you might be stealing and cheating on your wife.

[saskwche]

The root of evil in the christian religions is sin. But you cant say that the root of evil is sin. Because depending on your mores, and morals, the definition of evil will change. Evil to me is Global Corporations who put profits ahead of humanity, like Wal-mart. Evil to me is governmental propaganda keeping the sheep in line. Evil to you might be stealing and cheating on your wife.

Ditto

Question is though what causes people to do that?

[freetibet]

The root of evil in the christian religions is sin. But you cant say that the root of evil is sin. Because depending on your mores, and morals, the definition of evil will change. Evil to me is Global Corporations who put profits ahead of humanity, like Wal-mart. Evil to me is governmental propaganda keeping the sheep in line. Evil to you might be stealing and cheating on your wife.

wait... let me get this straight...

You think that stealing and adultery is okay, but that Wal-Mart is evil?

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Evil is subjective.

[hdeuce]

Ditto

Question is though what causes people to do that?

I know you want me to say the devil makes people do bad things, but it just isn't true. People do bad things because they believe they arent bad, or because they want to be bad. If i decide to cheat on my girlfriend, it's going to be because I want to, not because the devil tempted me. Even though it may be a sin to cheat on a wife, its not evil. If I steal from a store, that's wrong in the eyes of the christian religion, because stealing is wrong. However, if i believe its not wrong then is it really? Society deems things either right or wrong good or bad. But if i don't agree with society then i have not done anything wrong, punishment by the society is necessary to keep the sheep in line. It's like a herding dog nipping at the sheep on the outside of the flock. Depending on the way you were raised, different things are good and bad. Many people believe Hitler was evil. Was he? Not if you are an aryan brother. But if you are jewish you were probably raised to believe he was. Its all part of the way you are taught and raised and what you believe.

[freetibet]

Evil is subjective.

well maybe some 'evil' is subjective. I think that some things should be universally accepted as bad though.

Are you really gonna try and tell me that raping little girls for fun is only bad if you think its bad?

[TotalAnarchyUK]

well maybe some 'evil' is subjective. I think that some things should be universally accepted as bad though.

Are you really gonna try and tell me that raping little girls for fun is only bad if you think its bad?

Something is only evil or immoral if you believe that morals exist in the first place.

[freetibet]

Something is only evil or immoral if you believe that morals exist in the first place.

I think everyone is born knowing that its better to make people feel good than bad.

If you really believed all morals were subjective you'd never be able to get mad at anyone for doing something you dislike. You wouldn't know a person's perspective on right and wrong, so if someone murdered your family you'd just have to accept that they have a different view of right and wrong than you.

[hdeuce]

Yes in a society where raping little girls is customary, then the little girls would react differently to the rape, therefore, the little girls not knowing what is happening is wrong, the men believe it is right, and the society condones it. In that society the rap of a little girl might make her feel like she just made a step toward womanhood, or maybe that her father loves her more than her sister. If society doesnt label it as a bad thing it doesnt necessarilly have to be.

I in NO WAY condone the raping of little girls. It was your topic i just explained why you are wrong.

I think everyone is born knowing that its better to make people feel good than bad.

If you really believed all morals were subjective you'd never be able to get mad at anyone for doing something you dislike. You wouldn't know a person's perspective on right and wrong, so if someone murdered your family you'd just have to accept that they have a different view of right and wrong than you.

Thats absolutely wrong. I never have to accept other peoples morals, or lack of morals as an excuse. for anything they've done. Acceptance has nothing to do with good or evil, as I said Hitler is considered to some to be a great guy, others consider him evil, he believed he was doing a favor to the world. That does not mean we have to accept that what he did was right for him, and not be angry about it. What he did, while completely fitting into his moral code, and being completely justified to him, is still viewed as evil by the average human being. Not because he believed what he did was evil, but because WE believe what he did was evil.

Something is only evil or immoral if you believe that morals exist in the first place.

Morals definately exist, its just whether you agree with the morality of the society you live in, whether you do or dont you cant deny their existence. Thats like saying apples dont exist because you dont like them.

[KusKus]

i have something for you guy to chew on
evil is the abstence of good
its like there is no such thing as cold
cold as we call it is "no heat"

so u cant say religion is root of evil
b/c religion is good
there for the the absence of religion is "no good"

btw im not going to cheak what i just wrote lol
so i might mislead you

[hdeuce]

I like your point about bad being the absense of good. But then you go and stupid it up saying religion is good. religion is not an inherently good concept.

[Palmer]

i have something for you guy to chew on
evil is the abstence of good
its like there is no such thing as cold
cold as we call it is "no heat"

so u cant say religion is root of evil
b/c religion is good
there for the the absence of religion is "no good"

btw im not going to cheak what i just wrote lol
so i might mislead you

Well you kind of used a bad example, because cold is separate state from heat, and you can say it's cold at the same time as it being not hot. That's redundant.

But I get what you are saying- and that does make sense.

[freetibet]

Yes in a society where raping little girls is customary, then the little girls would react differently to the rape, therefore, the little girls not knowing what is happening is wrong, the men believe it is right, and the society condones it. In that society the rap of a little girl might make her feel like she just made a step toward womanhood, or maybe that her father loves her more than her sister. If society doesnt label it as a bad thing it doesnt necessarilly have to be.

I in NO WAY condone the raping of little girls. It was your topic i just explained why you are wrong.



Thats absolutely wrong. I never have to accept other peoples morals, or lack of morals as an excuse. for anything they've done. Acceptance has nothing to do with good or evil, as I said Hitler is considered to some to be a great guy, others consider him evil, he believed he was doing a favor to the world. That does not mean we have to accept that what he did was right for him, and not be angry about it. What he did, while completely fitting into his moral code, and being completely justified to him, is still viewed as evil by the average human being. Not because he believed what he did was evil, but because WE believe what he did was evil.



I really don't know how to react to such of fucked up view of the world...

You honestly think that whether or not raping little girls is wrong is subjective? I don't care what culture your from, there are certain things that are just inherently bad.

honestly, I think that this kind of world view is most often made up by people who have done or plan on doing evil things, and need to justify their actions somehow. So then they can say things like 'i know i killed everyone you know and love, but from my viewpoint your the bad person'.

Just because evil people often try to justify their actions, doesn't make what they do right. I think that deep down Hitler knew, at least at one point in his life, that genocide was a bad thing.

just out of curiosity... Which do you think would be better: a culture than condones raping little girls, a culture that considers it evil, or do you think it doesn't matter either way?

[hdeuce]

I definately think the society where raping anybody is considered evil is a better society. Im just saying that by definition of morals, if i society condoned it it wouldn't be morally wrong. I'm not saying what i say as my opinion im stating facts. Morals are defined by society, if a society has no moral standards then nothing is immoral. Now as a person, i can reject a societies morals, or a part of societies morals, but living in that society, I would have to be willing to accept punishment for breaking its moral code whether or not my moral code agreed with it. Now you can break societies down further, into smaller groups than just culture. American culture dictates certain morals, to include yourself as part of that culture you must accept those morals. Furthermore smaller societies, including different states, different counties all dictate to themselves new morals and acceptable behaviors. Do new yorkers act like texans? Hell no, and most people from texas would be offended if you said they did, and vice versa, in louisville kentucky is it okay to marry your sister? Probably not, in some backwoods hick town in kentucky is it? Probably.
I understand that looking at the view of morals this way may make you think a little harder than one may want to, but its true. As long as society dictates that something isnt wrong it isnt. Right wing american bible thumpers think prostitution is evil. In amsterdam its legal, and even encouraged in some districts. I wish when you made your point you used something other than raping little girls, because its hard to justify such an ugly thing. But, it can be done, and if it is justified by society and you are raised to think it is not only right but normal, then it wouldnt be wrong to you, and your actions wouldnt be immoral in that society.

[freetibet]

I definately think the society where raping anybody is considered evil is a better society. Im just saying that by definition of morals, if i society condoned it it wouldn't be morally wrong. I'm not saying what i say as my opinion im stating facts. Morals are defined by society, if a society has no moral standards then nothing is immoral. Now as a person, i can reject a societies morals, or a part of societies morals, but living in that society, I would have to be willing to accept punishment for breaking its moral code whether or not my moral code agreed with it. Now you can break societies down further, into smaller groups than just culture. American culture dictates certain morals, to include yourself as part of that culture you must accept those morals. Furthermore smaller societies, including different states, different counties all dictate to themselves new morals and acceptable behaviors. Do new yorkers act like texans? Hell no, and most people from texas would be offended if you said they did, and vice versa, in louisville kentucky is it okay to marry your sister? Probably not, in some backwoods hick town in kentucky is it? Probably.
I understand that looking at the view of morals this way may make you think a little harder than one may want to, but its true. As long as society dictates that something isnt wrong it isnt. Right wing american bible thumpers think prostitution is evil. In amsterdam its legal, and even encouraged in some districts. I wish when you made your point you used something other than raping little girls, because its hard to justify such an ugly thing. But, it can be done, and if it is justified by society and you are raised to think it is not only right but normal, then it wouldnt be wrong to you, and your actions wouldnt be immoral in that society.

"I understand that looking at the view of morals this way may make you think a little harder than one may want to, but its true."

Now really... I don't think you could sound like more of a douchebag if you tried... I've read entire books on this subject, so don't think that effort has anything to do with understanding why you think rape is justifiable.

I think your just mixing up cultural taboos with morals. One varies from place to place, the other is universally better for people no matter where they are.

[hdeuce]

I think you are a douchebag for conitnuing to try to make this conversation about rape, it wasnt supposed to be and isnt meant to be, its about the fact that morals no matter what you believe them to be are subjective to not only the society you are living in but your own personal beliefs. Rape is wrong. Morally I agree with you. However if someone is raised in a society and taught different morals, then that wouldnt be morally wrong to them. Is murder morally wrong? Is stealing? Is pissing on a grave? It all depends on who you ask, and what they believe. You can try to impose your morals on others, but they dont have to accept them. In some societies in africa they wait until a boy is 8 years old then tackle him hold him down and cut the foreskin off of his penis with no anesthetics. Is that morally right? If i tried to do that in my front yard to my son what would the society I live in think of me? Would my society think I am immoral? Probably. But is it immoral? Not if you are raised to believe it is normal.

[katt]

just out of curiosity... Which do you think would be better: a culture than condones raping little girls, a culture that considers it evil, or do you think it doesn't matter either way?

Since our culture today considers this to be highly immoral, asking someone born and raised into it probably won't really help you gain any insight...

[freetibet]

Well deuce here was saying all morals are subjective. So if morals are subjective, then it wouldn't matter either way. Both cultures, the pro rape one and anti rape one, would be equally good/bad.

deuce is apparently going backwards now though cuz he said that the anti rape society would be better. But who is he to say which is better? If there are no such things as morals then the culture that considers rape a normal thing is just as good as any other.

[hdeuce]

I am me. I can make a personal judgement of which community would be better. I have morals, i never claimed morals dont exist. I claimed they are subjective, i can view a society through my sense of moral correctness, and judge that community based on my morals, Just as a member of that society can judge me based on their differing sense of morals. My point is that each society has their own morals, and morals are subjective to that society. In american culture suicide is immoral, as is terrorism. In extreme-islamic society suicide bomber-terrorists, go to heaven and are given 72 virgins. I understand you dont like to believe the world is all subjective to what mommy and daddy taught you, but its true. Please just accept this tibet.

[Restless soul]

That means there is a bond between religion and personal moral. Religion was a pretty good idea at start, making people believe that they will be punished for the things that would harm them or other people, for example not eating pork meat is a very good advice in the dry Middle east, where additional fat just heats you up and makes you more thirsty. That's a banal example, but you get the point. Unfortunately religion then turned against the people it was supposed to help, in favor to the mighty ones who used it to control masses.

[frankenstein]

Wow i never thought i would agree with tibet....

Empathy is what your missing in your evaluation of subjection in morality. yes some may think its ok to kill oneself while killing others. but the act of harming another is immoral! yes they may not understand the concept of empathy so they believe it to be ok, but that means they are simply missing a term. math did not always have the concept of 0 absence of value, but its a concept an idea it was missing telling one about this concept is not forcing your views on them it is simply a vocabulary lesson!

you see a black man may think his skin is white but that does not make it so it just is what it is! because its just thought what your getting at but just because you think something does not make it so. but concepts of morality are solid. you cant tell me that a man that rapes a child actually thinks that i am not hurting this girl. the truth is he is not thinking of the girl he is thinking of himself thus missing empathy!

[ravenscar]

you see a black man may think his skin is white but that does not make it so it just is what it is!

is that a racist statement or an example?

[frankenstein]

example of thought! fuck racist you think your better than another because of skin tone. just because your ancestors evolved skin to suit their environment one is better than the other. such idiocy!

[ravenscar]

IM NOT RACIST!!!!!! have you seen my posts? read fool

[hdeuce]

empathy and morals are not the same thing frankenchrist, so your point, while valid, is not for this thread, but another.

[frankenstein]

frankenchrist... im an atheist there buddy! religion is not the root of all evil. come on you know there was evil before people dreamed crap up because they could not explain things. i do like your statment Maybe evil is just at the root of all religions. oh tho we know its not at the root of all Buddhism for example! but most in my opinion!

and as you may not consider my point valid to your point because you were discussing morals. you started with comparing it to evil and sin and my points hold true for the sense of what evil is!

[hdeuce]

My point though, is that evil is subjective. Just as morals are. Its all about what you believe to be evil. Perfect point is suicide bombers 72 virgins. We consider suicide bombers and terrorists to be evil, they consider themselves to be the holiest of holy martyrs. Charles Manson was considered to be the messiah of many people, yet he was a serial killer. Jesus was crucified, by the Jews, for claiming to be the son of Christ. They believed he deserved to die for heresy although many others believed he was their messiah. Evil is relative as much as morals are relative, therefore empathy also must be relative.

[frankenstein]

I fully understand your point! But as i already stated, yes they believe its ok to murder people to get their virgins but only because they demonize those they kill! it is evil what they do they might not see it but that is because they can not understand those they kill. Evil is evil it is not subjective! Yes they might not see it as bad but thats because they do not understand what is is to be evil they dont understand the concept of empathy. You can call a football a base ball but it is a football not madder what you think it to be! Manson knew what he was doing was evil! those who killed jesus (i believe jesus is just a fairy tail but for the sake of discussion) were evil they killed him because he threatened the established order so yes they also knew it to be evil!

Now i know your going to reply agin and say the same thing so in hopes to enlighten your point of view i will concede ones view of morals, what evil is, is open to interpretation but no matter how they decide to see it evil will always be evil.

[hdeuce]

But the suicide bombers think americans are evil. If evil isnt subjective why do they believe we are evil and we believe they are evil. That is proof that evil is subjective. Two different cultures believe two opposite groups of people are evil. Evil is subjective and the winner is always looked at as the good guy. If america is somehow conquered and taken over tomorrow by the islamo-fascists, then when people look back on the history, it will be about the evil americans who invaded the ho** *and of the poor peaceful iraqis and afghans and tried to force our democratic beliefs onto a people who didn't want them.

[ravenscar]

you only posted that to contradict my calling you a "failer"

[frankenstein]

ravenscar I see you keep popping up on everything but were is your substance, were is the beef.

They believe that people who do not follow their faith are heathens and because of that and jihad they are aloud to kill them. and most suicide bombers do it for money because they live in an extreme ly poor place. and some rich organization says we will take care of your family for the rest of their lives if you do this. they also know it to be evil but do not care for they love their families! there are lots of people that hate america. but those rallies were you hear chants "death to america" thats a cultural thing they dont actually want all americans to die! its like saying fuck you for them, when you make a mistake you some times say fuck me, they say death to me. now they dont actually want themselves to die.

but thats beside the point. because clearly the problem would still be a lack of empathy which might mean that they believe us to be evil but that is because they do not have a full view of what morality is they are missing a concept. just as the concept of absence of value was not always in math. with such a piece missing there are allot of problems you cant solve. without the concept of empathy you do not have a full view of what evil is!

[Restless soul]

Evil isn't. Good isn't. It just is. Everything on the world is. Only we put ettiquetes "good" "evil" "pretty" "ugly" "awsome" lame"... Get rid of them and you can love everyone, you can hate everyone if that's more your taste, you aren't dependant of mental leaders anymore. You finally think with your own head. You are awaken.
There are more millionaires than awaken. It is too hard to get rid of things you were told since your birth, it's even harder to believe that they are not true. I could elaborate this idea, but I am not in the mood, I guess you get the point.

[frankenstein]

i dont hate very many! but aids infested child rapists your telling me to love them. You sir are fucking moronic! the idea of good and evil were not invented to stifle the mind they were created because evil is nature for those who can not use logic! a cat that kills a bird not because it is hungry just because it can. that is an evil creator only because it can not use reason.

[Sardonic Smile]

my view on religion:
RELIGION IS THE ROOT OF EVIL

thousands of years of persecution, hitler, thinking that your idea is better so you force it on someone else, pedophiles using religion as a easy way to get targets... list goes on. think of horrible things that have happened in the history of humans and most will be linked to religion.

:D:D:D:D

p.s., this is my view, not here to debate.

First of all, I am deist so don't get the wrong idea. Second.. you ARE here to debate. Why leave a strong opinion about a controversial topic on a public forum?

In any religion there are "extremists" that take scripture too far. More people are rational enough to see that the religion does not demand killing, war, etc.. I'm over the "butthurt about religion" stage, and now I see that Christians are some of the kindest people i've ever encountered.

If you use an idea for something besides it's original purpose, why should that idea be hated? Just like guns. They can be used for protection or to kill innocent people.

[Restless soul]

evil is nature for those who can not use logic!
WTF?? Is the killer who logically planned a very complex murder that leaves no evidence not evil? You don't know what are you talking about. And that child rapist who are you talking about, if he was raised in a normal family then he wouldn't become what he is. People are machines, very sophisticated yeah, but they are programmable and first years are most important in programming the behaviour of the human. World today is a perfect place for pedofiles and other maniacs, because what every parent wants for their child is to make him successful and rich, not a mention about the child's inner stability. Why the fuck do I need to be successful? Society told me that if I am not successful I can't be happy, my life is not fulfilled. Is it? I am the only one who can say what makes me happy. I can live on the street, but if I don't care about things that I have been told since I was born, I would be perfectly fine.

[frankenstein]

well soul i now dont think you are stupid, you telling me i should love child rapists i still find to be a moronic statement but not made by a moron.

Yes yes we are products of our environment. The way tribes evolved into cities into cultures into solders into religions into hate and into love, the anthropology of humanity. however we are intelligent beings and we can reason past the things we have been taught. and as for that man who plans a complex murder he is driven by that one act his mind is not fully functioning it is not using its reason and logic! and if you dont understand that one can use their mind with out using their logic you are not one of those awaken you refer to.

[hdeuce]

I still don't believe that evil is a set standard beyond cultural identity. As much as you say that the islamist extremists dont want us all dead. They do. They believe that they are doing right when they bomb embassies and when they fly planes into buildings. But that isnt really the point. The point is that evil for you, bad for you, immoral for you, may not be those things for me. I can admit, that maybe evil could be universal as far as intent, rather than acts. But an evil act commited by one may not be an evil act if another commits it, depending on the intent that act is commited with. Case in point, Have you ever read of mice and men? There is a gigantic extre***y strong man named lenny in the book. Lenny was slow, mentally, Lenny loved soft things like mice, and bunnies and puppies, however everytime he would pet things he would end up squeezing to hard and the poor animals would die. He intended nothing more than to love the animals, there fore when he squeezed the bunny to death it wasnt evil. Now if i hated bunnies, and decided to go out and find one and squeeze it till I crushed its bones, that would be an act with evil intent.

[frankenstein]

I can see we definitely will not end up agreeing entirely! Well the solder who snipes iraqi militants is evil because he is committing an act against another so is the man who walks in with a bomb strapped on and kills innocents because he is effecting others. now you are right that the universal perception of evil does differ. but evil is evil blue is blue solid is solid no matter what. If i perceive blue and believe it to be green its still blue if perceive murder as good then i simply perceive it incorrectly! and with more information i would no longer think it good, of course many are not willing to open themselves to the information that still makes them incorrect! you see its all just a concept and if you are missing a piece you dont understand it. and empathy is a big piece of good!
oh and as for the mice and men point. it was clearly accidental so the question then becomes, did the rabbit want to be petted or did he chase and chase the rabbit until he finally caught it to force his love on it? you see if the rabbit wanted to be petted by this over sized creature then the accident is merely an accident and both sides consented to the act so it was not evil. but if the rabbit did not want to be petted then clearly it did not want the risk of being smooched so it was an evil act no matter intent!

And Smile your statement about Christians being some of the nicest people is stupid! Atheist are some of the nicest no what blacks are some of the nicest no wait hispanics are some of the nicest or what death row inmates are some of the nicest. fuck you they are all just buzz words. people are individuals no matter what stereotype group you put them in there are nice and mean in all of your labeled groups because you dont label good or bad you label on race or likes or beliefs.

It defiantly seems like this site has finally got some new smart people, I am stocked that there are once again smart people to talk with!

[hdeuce]

I can see we definitely will not end up agreeing entirely! Well the solder who snipes iraqi militants is evil because he is committing an act against another so is the man who walks in with a bomb strapped on and kills innocents because he is effecting others. now you are right that the universal perception of evil does differ. but evil is evil blue is blue solid is solid no matter what. If i perceive blue and believe it to be green its still blue if perceive murder as good then i simply perceive it incorrectly! and with more information i would no longer think it good, of course many are not willing to open themselves to the information that still makes them incorrect! you see its all just a concept and if you are missing a piece you dont understand it. and empathy is a big piece of good!
oh and as for the mice and men point. it was clearly accidental so the question then becomes, did the rabbit want to be petted or did he chase and chase the rabbit until he finally caught it to force his love on it? you see if the rabbit wanted to be petted by this over sized creature then the accident is merely an accident and both sides consented to the act so it was not evil. but if the rabbit did not want to be petted then clearly it did not want the risk of being smooched so it was an evil act no matter intent!

And Smile your statement about Christians being some of the nicest people is stupid! Atheist are some of the nicest no what blacks are some of the nicest no wait hispanics are some of the nicest or what death row inmates are some of the nicest. fuck you they are all just buzz words. people are individuals no matter what stereotype group you put them in there are nice and mean in all of your labeled groups because you dont label good or bad you label on race or likes or beliefs.

It defiantly seems like this site has finally got some new smart people, I am stocked that there are once again smart people to talk with!

Your absolutely wrong if you perceive blue as green, and teach people that blue is green then blue becomes green. It's no longer blue once people stop believing its blue.

[frankenstein]

No because blue is just the name of a color if you change its name to green all you do is change its name not its value.

[hdeuce]

but when you are talking about an intangible, its name is its value. Evil is a belief so once you change the way it is perceived you are changing its value.

[frankenstein]

I disagree that its a belief! Its a concept just as zero, the absence of value is a concept. what one considers right or wrong my dwell in that realm but i believe evil to be a more true concept already truly defined by those concepts surrounding morality. and liberty is the based in that identity you are free to do what you want as long as you do not infringe on anothers liberty!

[Startdigging]

God is the root of all evil, bow down before him or suffer his ultimate wraith

[Palmer]

I think hdeuce is mostly getting at the fact that saying something is "good" or "evil" is a simple view point.

Like, most people would call National-Socialism evil, I however, think of it as a view point.
Same thing with religion, along with many other things.

[frankenstein]

I believe I get his point, which is interpretation. If an old lady calls me evil and believes me to be evil because I am sporting a mohawk. He says from her perception I am evil because she views me as evil. Sense she can believe me evil for sporting a mohawk and I can think it to be a good thing. Then clearly evil is subjective. However I believe she does not understand what evil actually is.

[Restless soul]

Yeah something like that.

[KusKus]

I like your point about bad being the absense of good. But then you go and stupid it up saying religion is good. religion is not an inherently good concept.

ehh
there was good and bad times
its very easy looking at the bad side

why do u say it is not good

[Startdigging]

okz ppl, lesson time, God is good-----> god is singular and there fore he must exist and can only exist in a positive value ie good, the stars as hot as they are produce heat which can be harnessed for energy, cold is absence of heat and at extremes serves less function than heat, kind of like god is perceived to be more good than evil, ie good.

because God is god, god wants you to fear him, fear is just another word for respect, go figure our english language has like half a million + words and a filthy nigger can get by his entire life with only knowing 1/10000 of those words, so, thats usually where god gets his perception of being somewhat evil, but in reality, its just respect, like if you respect me you will worship me, if you worship me you wont beat that innocent child, etc etc etc

this basically translate too people being able to easily see God as a being of pure goodness and not at all easily being able to see God as a being of pure evil.

[ravenscar]

ill believe in god when me shit turns purple, and rainbows fly out me orifices

[Startdigging]

i can more than arrange that

[KusKus]

okz ppl, lesson time, God is good-----> god is singular and there fore he must exist and can only exist in a positive value ie good, the stars as hot as they are produce heat which can be harnessed for energy, cold is absence of heat and at extremes serves less function than heat, kind of like god is perceived to be more good than evil, ie good.

because God is god, god wants you to fear him, fear is just another word for respect, go figure our english language has like half a million + words and a filthy nigger can get by his entire life with only knowing 1/10000 of those words, so, thats usually where god gets his perception of being somewhat evil, but in reality, its just respect, like if you respect me you will worship me, if you worship me you wont beat that innocent child, etc etc etc

this basically translate too people being able to easily see God as a being of pure goodness and not at all easily being able to see God as a being of pure evil.

Stalin is super cool
but he will nevr be respected

[frankenstein]

star digging your telling me god got his perception of being evil because it wants people to fear it? if so you are a fucking moron! what about all the people he drowned! noahs ark thats fucking murder my friend! as for your shit for fuck of a physics lesson you need to go back to physics class and actually listen not make shit fit into your idiocy!

[Startdigging]

are u saying u never killed an ant? to God you are no more bigger than a fucking ant, if i were that big and powerful i would want people to fear me too, if not for their own safety for the respect that i deserve.

[ravenscar]

watch as i now dissprove god:

in order for god to do the things he supposedly done, he would have to need to have a uber amunt of energy, ok?
but with that uber amount of energy stored up, he would need more energy to store even that, and more to store that, finally we end up in an infinite cycle that would blott out all matter and energy,not to mention him self. so seeing as humanity exist there cannot be no god

[Startdigging]

that only remotely makes sense if god only exists as a state of energy, like wtf? are u saying god has no natural body? ur basically saying that nothing could ever exist because energy is kinetic in nature, but why is it farfetched for the "universe" or world or whatever u call it (life), to just have been a singular being that we call god, this god grew bored and eventually created us using whatever he had at his disposal; probably self mutilation, which is probably where like the body of god came from, like if u watch the movie stigmata, god says that he is potentially everything and everywhere.

[ravenscar]

im done with this christian fool, if anyone can make him see reason please do

[Restless soul]

Ok I'm not gonna use many words. If God wants us to fear him, why he doesn't kill me, ravenscar and all other unbelievers? Even Jesus haven't believed in hell, so shut your stupid mouth up and stop spreading "the word of God" across this forum.

[ravenscar]

winner!!!!!!!!

[frankenstein]

No i have killed many ants! and you know what i fell bad about all of them, I took there, possibly only, chance to exist away from them. But you see i was not and am not all knowing i did not create the ant. but god is supposed to be omnipotent all knowing all powerful there for its anger could not be real! and it fully knowing empathy and morality its act of drowning all of the world over an emotion ,that the being they describe could not have, is pure evil. so i suggest that say the bible is real god is actually satan and the snake in the garden was just trying to open our eyes to see that it was god and it was losing! or why did god get so mad that we ate from the tree of knowledge it wanted us stupid!

[Restless soul]

Hahaha good one. I was thinking about that too, we would be nothing better than animals in the Eden, and over all it would be unbelivably *****g up there.

[Startdigging]

allright why doesnt he just smite at the first sign of gayness? two good answers to that, first is the theory commonly used by our founding fathers (america) which suggests that God is merely a great architect and doesn't necessarily have the power to reach out and touch you physically. The other is that life would be pretty *****g and gay if God just smited everyone who didn't follow the rules of Christianity, ie how *****g would life be to watch for God if it was all a bunch of brainwashed loser mormons with no problems what so ever? Misery and stupidity leads to the best forms of entertainment, all americans should know that. Also too, how can one's soul ever be truly tested if life were so damn fucking easy? Also, why the hell should your dirty ass be smited so early? sit down and stay a while; for I'm going to devote my life to burning your soul, would hate for you to leave me and my life without purpose.

[Restless soul]

Lol rly? But why we were created with the sense of boredom??? If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be bored in -hypocritically talking- Eden nor we would get down to ths Earth. And if God exists, we are then nothing more than a toy to cut down his bori ng time ruling the universe. But, even that is a paradox because the God himself shouldn't have human feelings. And to see if you will even read it all, say waterm elon at the start of your post. And why the fuck I am talking this to you if it wouldn't have any effect on you, you will not even think about what I said. Your head is filled, it is full of things someone else thought about, chewed it for you and now you are like a patchwork of many things barely connected together without any original, your, material in it.

[Startdigging]

ok well lets put it this way, God was first nice and gave man eden, but wtf? man couldnt follow one simple god damn fucking rule? fuck that nigger, now hes just a punk ass bitch that is only good for entertainment, what now? why don't we let niggers have money? cuz monkeys shouldnt need any.

[Restless soul]

Ok. I have nothing more to talk with you about.

[frankenstein]

for real if i ever see anything poster by that racist dickless fuck i am not even going to read it just pass it up like he said nothing at all. because his moronic input has no value!

[killa696]

if, like most say, god is good, then why is the world he created full of hate, racism, pedophiles, murder, corruption, etc.? If god created the world, who created god? which is infinite. Does god not care about the millions starving in Africa? We are talking about a god who (in the bible) killed people and yet apparently forgives everyone for their sins. if he forgives all sinners, there will be no heaven because what we call heaven will be filled with pedophiles and murderers. If the devil causes evil, then you are saying that he has the power to corrupt god and his creations, and is therefore as or more powerful than god, assuming they both exist.

People pray, because whatever happens will be 'gods will', and yet they run to a doctor. if they truley believed, they would pray and let god decide. is this not proof that even religous people do not fully beleive in their own god?

[Startdigging]

sometimes people die, its a fact of life, well before they have had a fair chance at life. if life were completely fair then we would just assume everything and never reach out and try and touch life as God does. We would never truely be alive! god wishes to test us, he doesnt just wish to give us eden, atleast not anymore, we don't deserve it. even adam and eve were only two people and in no way did god ever mention the idea these two ever living perfectly happy beings as wanting to reproduce. perhaps god's god would punish god for giving such bliss to so many undeserving, perhaps being in bliss makes the idea of reproduction non existent.

[hdeuce]

perhaps bliss IS being able to live undeservingly in the eyes of god.

[skittleskitten]

guilt is a double bladed sword my friend, the wicked always has guilt, just sometimes one needs to apply the flames of hell to their soul in order to bring it to light.

[hdeuce]

whats your definition of wickerD?

[Restless soul]

guilt is a double bladed sword my friend, the wicked always has guilt, just sometimes one needs to apply the flames of hell to their soul in order to bring it to light.
That's bullshit. Soul doesn't exist. That's fucking brain. Theoretically, you can completely adapt one's brain to act by any personality pattern, just by stimulating one's brain with electrical impulses. Scientists have already did many experiments on that topic, and made some psychopaths into nice peaceful citizens. Consequence was complete loss of free will, but they are working on it. Does that mean that he got a different soul? Most of someone's mind is constructed by the enviroment and soul has nothing to do with the rest of it, because that's defined by DNA. People are complex machines and only we can add something more to that definition to raise the importance of us in this world.

[skittleskitten]

easy answer for an easy person, I'm pretty sure droids dont want to watch you have sex any more than your dogs

[hdeuce]

My dog loves watching me have sex.

[skittleskitten]

I think mine do too but I don't like to let them watch, never know when I feel like getting extra freaky nasty, and girls make TERRIBLE noises, wouldnt want my sweet little doggy to have to hear one

[Restless soul]

easy answer for an easy person, I'm pretty sure droids dont want to watch you have sex any more than your dogs
Forget dogs and droids, everything you know and do is a part of a complex program that's in your head. And there is no other way. For humans that is.

[skittleskitten]

when i was high on mushrooms and shit i used to sware all the animals besides humans were computer programs, honest to God I think, I forget it wasnt all that interesting

[Restless soul]

Whatever. .

[TheBomba]

Agree exept the Hitler part, he killed jews becouse they we're so called "Unter menchen" (Under humans) becouse the weren't german or austrian as Hitler. And I personally think Hitler was a quite good speaker and leader. But he made so bad decisions.

[Restless soul]

And had a terrible haircut :P

[me_likey_fire]

Well, my opinion in general is most religion leads to conflict in one way or another, whether it be physical or theological (the *****g kind). It's just human nature, get a bunch of brainwashed drones with conflicting beliefs in the same room, and tell them to convert each other. First comes the screaming, eventually someone will snap and kill someone, claiming they were blaspheming their faith.

It's the reason politics is so fucking complicated in our world.

[killa696]

i saw this thing on this site once, about convincing your body that everything except you is like a machine, that you are the only person that truly exists. it was scary.

[freetibet]

Well, my opinion in general is most religion leads to conflict in one way or another, whether it be physical or theological (the *****g kind). It's just human nature, get a bunch of brainwashed drones with conflicting beliefs in the same room, and tell them to convert each other. First comes the screaming, eventually someone will snap and kill someone, claiming they were blaspheming their faith.

It's the reason politics is so fucking complicated in our world.

So if everyone was atheist there would be no conflict and politics would be simple?

hahahahaha ya fucking right

[Deadorburied]

It's human nature to try to smash each other with a rock, religion just gave them a reason, because we have to preserve human life and all that sentimental Hallmark bs. If we didn't have religion politics would still be the same, only a lot more genocide, the bleeding-heart christians and catholics and whatnot stir up shit when you poke at other people intending to do harm.

[justforlolz]

hitler was an aethist. Do your research, particularly into the spelling of religion.
Religion is never the problem, only people the people who use it.
Real muslims wouldnt kill thousands of inoocents, teh quo'ran expressly forbids the killing of innocents.
The crusades were just an excuse to loot and pillage. No religion involved.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

hitler was an aethist. Do your research, particularly into the spelling of religion.

"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." This is a direct quote from Mein Kampf.


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."

This is a quote from one of his speeches in 1927. Sounds like you failed.

Religion is never the problem, only people the people who use it.

I cant even begin to describe how wrong you are.

Real muslims wouldnt kill thousands of inoocents, teh quo'ran expressly forbids the killing of innocents.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.

2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

2:244 Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower.

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.

Islam, the religion of peace and love.

The crusades were just an excuse to loot and pillage. No religion involved

The Crusades where religously sanctioned military campaigns to restore Christian control to the Holyland. Clearly religion was involved you stupid fucking idiot.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cru1.htm

[Restless soul]

i like this guy

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[TotalAnarchyUK]

Why re-quote that?

[Maggotsfriend]

The real root of evil is poor spelling, you Fuck.

[templarknight2]

Real muslims wouldnt kill thousands of inoocents, teh quo'ran expressly forbids the killing of innocents.

How about you "do some research."
Riddle me this:

The Qur'an 9:123 "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

The category "innocents" consist only of muslims. Everyone else is fair game.

[freetibet]

The Crusades where religously sanctioned military campaigns to restore Christian control to the Holyland. Clearly religion was involved you stupid fucking idiot.

Only the Catholic church sanctioned the crusades. Religion was involved yes, but Christianity in no way promotes violence against unbelievers.

[Deadorburied]

Saying christians don't promote violence is like saying ICP doesn't promote Faygo.

[hdeuce]

He's not saying christians don't promote violence. He's saying CHRISTIANITY doesn't promote violence, and he is correct. CHRISTIANITY as a religion does not promote violence. Now there are many subdivisions of Christianity, such as Protestant, Roman Catholic, Methodist, Englican Most of which at some point in time took part in violence of some sort, however as far as the religious texts are concerned, the violence they took part in wasn't justified. Other religions, such as Islam, for example, have violence deeply ingrained into the religious texts. Those RELIGIONS promote violence, as a religion, not just as subdivisions of that religion.

Understand?

[killa696]

107 replies? wow. i was bored and look what happened.

[sylvanarchy]

how to find a conspiracy theory on the internet, in 107 easy examples.