Noah's Ark

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Is there any christian or creationists willing to answer some questions regarding the physical and logical flaws in the entire noah's ark story?

[Akhyll]

First, how many woods did he needed for building a ship hat can handle two animals of the whole creation ?

[WeirdD]

How many woods?

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Hes french, I think he means trees.

[Akhyll]

Hes french, I think he means trees.
That's it. Thanks to you to improve my english.

[new_elite]

it wasnt two of every anilmal

[Buddha]

then what was it?

[new_elite]

7 of ever clean animal and 2 of every unclean animal

[Cuddles]

Paraphrased from Firefly (love that show): we would have to assume that each animal was stored as a quantum waveform to be collapsed when the boat reached land.

elegant way to explain away a bullshit story with modern science.

still a bullshit story, tho.

[Buddha]

How dare you! It would just have taken the biggest boat ever and millions of man hours to get the animals, half of which prolly were not even known to exist. Oh and there isn't even enough h20 on the planet to flood that much. Oh, and then there is the totall lack of proof of such a huge fucking event.

Magic jesus powers FTW!

[AlbertWesker]

Oh and there isn't even enough h20 on the planet to flood that much.

There is more than enough in ocean trenches. If you believe in plate tectonics, then you would belive that these trenches didn't exist at one point meaning that the water wasn't held in deep trenches a long time ago.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

There is more than enough in ocean trenches. If you believe in plate tectonics, then you would belive that these trenches didn't exist at one point meaning that the water wasn't held in deep trenches a long time ago.


A massive flood would end all life on the planet. Even if there was enough water life would end on our planet.

The appearance and disappearance of the additional amount of water (4 400 000 000 km3) required to cover the Earth's mountains, which is over three times the amount (1 370 000 000 km3) presently contained in all of the Earth's oceans, would have imposed simply impossible constraints on the pre-Flood creatures of Earth and the inhabitants of the Ark during its journey (Soroka and Nelson, 1983). If that much extra water fell as rain, the pre-Flood Earth had to have had an atmospheric pressure about 840 times higher than it has now and an atmosphere which consisted of 99.9% water vapour (which would, incidentally, have been unbreathable). Further, from a thermodynamic point of view, because 2.26 million joules must be given up as heat for each kilogram of water condensed out of the atmosphere (Soroka and Nelson, 1983), that much water vapour condensing into rain would have raised the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere in excess of 3500 DegC during the time of the Flood. The consequences for the occupants of the Ark in what would have been a boiling ocean and unbreathable atmosphere bear thinking about. Even if the extra water welled up from within the Earth, the temperature of subsurface waters of this volume, because of their closer proximity to the hot mantle of the Earth, would have resulted again in oceans boiling away at temperatures of approximately 1600 DegC. Either way, Noah's geese would have been cooked.

The flood myth debunked in one paragraph.

Nevermind the impossiblities of creating a ship large enough to even hold the entire earth species. Thats hundreds of millions of species. The ark could not possibly hold enough food or fresh water to sustain over a billion individual creatures for 150 days. And it would take hundreds of years to load those millions of species onto the ark.

If anyone can scientifically debunk any of that without saying "god did it" I'll be suprised.

[Cuddles]

A massive flood would end all life on the planet. Even if there was enough water life would end on our planet.

The appearance and disappearance of the additional amount of water (4 400 000 000 km3) required to cover the Earth's mountains, which is over three times the amount (1 370 000 000 km3) presently contained in all of the Earth's oceans, would have imposed simply impossible constraints on the pre-Flood creatures of Earth and the inhabitants of the Ark during its journey (Soroka and Nelson, 1983). If that much extra water fell as rain, the pre-Flood Earth had to have had an atmospheric pressure about 840 times higher than it has now and an atmosphere which consisted of 99.9% water vapour (which would, incidentally, have been unbreathable). Further, from a thermodynamic point of view, because 2.26 million joules must be given up as heat for each kilogram of water condensed out of the atmosphere (Soroka and Nelson, 1983), that much water vapour condensing into rain would have raised the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere in excess of 3500 DegC during the time of the Flood. The consequences for the occupants of the Ark in what would have been a boiling ocean and unbreathable atmosphere bear thinking about. Even if the extra water welled up from within the Earth, the temperature of subsurface waters of this volume, because of their closer proximity to the hot mantle of the Earth, would have resulted again in oceans boiling away at temperatures of approximately 1600 DegC. Either way, Noah's geese would have been cooked.

The flood myth debunked in one paragraph.

Nevermind the impossiblities of creating a ship large enough to even hold the entire earth species. Thats hundreds of millions of species. The ark could not possibly hold enough food or fresh water to sustain over a billion individual creatures for 150 days. And it would take hundreds of years to load those millions of species onto the ark.

If anyone can scientifically debunk any of that without saying "god did it" I'll be suprised.


look, i realize that im being an antagonist unnecessarily while doing this, BUT! fresh water? it was raining. food? they were quantum waveforms. quantum waveforms do not need to eat. =P

also, god didnt create over a billion creatures, he only created the ones that the people who wrote the bible had heard of, which, considering they were functionally retarded (by functional, i mean they could write), doesnt exactly seem to be quite such a high number. perhaps, consider asking a 4 year old to name every animal they can think of. chances are they'll say elephant, giraffe, cat, dog, tiger, bear, and MAYBE dove/geese/some other bird...

[Wolkkkk]

Noah`s ark is very simple. It`s when god decided to press control+alt+delete and close all programs in process and then the lord had a back up program to reboot the world which had a code name : Noah`s ark.

[Cuddles]

Noah`s ark is very simple. It`s when god decided to press control+alt+delete and close all programs in process and then the lord had a back up program to reboot the world which had a code name : Noah`s ark.

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee--no.

[KusKus]

well i can prove it did exist
How can you explain why the unicorns, pixy fairies, and cyclops disappearance
they where obeasly left 4 dead

[Buddha]

good point, hmmm.

[Durandal4]

well i can prove it did exist
How can you explain why the unicorns, pixy fairies, and cyclops disappearance
they where obeasly left 4 dead

stolen from Robot Chicken :P

[WeirdD]

That's it. Thanks to you to improve my english.

My mistake, sorry to go Off Topic here but are you from Quebec or France?

As for the thread, I'm pretty sure UK just disproved any possibilities about this myth with that paragraph.

[KusKus]

stolen from Robot Chicken :P

yes
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[Cuddles]

stolen from Robot Chicken :P

who stole it from other places.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Its funny, I posted this about a week ago and nobody who has debated me about noahs ark on the Evolution vs Creation etc thread has responded.

I consider Noahs ark story to be well and truely pwned.

[Buddha]

indeed, kinda sad. It's like the easter bunny just died.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

The easter bunnies dead? Oh NOES!!!!!

[GuyFawkes]

christians saying that all the animals were in walking distance

[CriminalAnarchist]

i dont think god told him to get two of every animal. i think he knew he'd be really freaking hungery and he had a big ass family after the flood passed so he was thinking ahead.

[DrAgoN7]

i think pople would be alot more accepting of the idea if it were given its propper name

"Noah's orgy boat of racial clensing"

im Scottish so im just glad a few littl haggis managed to sneek on board

[yummycars321]

Religion is BULLSHIT.

'nuff said.

[harshmaster]

hm im not sure bout religion anymore, but christianity is FAIL forever

[katt]

Is there any christian or creationists willing to answer some questions regarding the physical and logical flaws in the entire noah's ark story?

In conclusion, the answer to your question is no.

[sloyoyoyo]

Nevermind the impossiblities of creating a ship large enough to even hold the entire earth species. Thats hundreds of millions of species. The ark could not possibly hold enough food or fresh water to sustain over a billion individual creatures for 150 days. And it would take hundreds of years to load those millions of species onto the ark.

If anyone can scientifically debunk any of that without saying "god did it" I'll be suprised.


You are an idiot, the bible doesn't say every species was on the ark... it says kinds were on the ark., That cuts the number of animals needed by a bajillion.

[Brennus_AD]

Firstly.

Before the Tower of Babel, all mankind was concentrated in a local region in the Middle East. Therefore it was not necessary for God to flood the entire earth. Does this mean the flood was not global? Yes and no. Yes, it was global, in the fact that when Noah was afloat on the water, he looked out and could see nothing but water. Noah’s entire world was flooded, so to him it was global. However, to Noah and his family, looking out at the water, it was definitely a global flood to him. All the known earth was underwater.

Noah built the ark, and then lived on it for 370 or so days. When he was afloat on the water, he looked out and could only see water. All mankind was killed in the flood, and only Noah and his family survived.

When considering these points, and the fact that no scientific evidence exists in the geologic record for a global flood, and it all adds up to a local flood event, that was “global” to Noah and his family.

[Brennus_AD]

For instace look at the Koala in Australia. How did the Koala get to Australia after the ark landed? It’s not possible. However, since it was a local flood, there was no need for Koalas to be on the ark. Many other examples can be shown to disprove that “all” animals were on the ark.

It was a localized flood so Noah only gathered animals that were in his "LOCAL"
region. Also many other semitic and ancient mid easten races and religions also have flood stories such as the Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh and so on.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Before the Tower of Babel, all mankind was concentrated in a local region in the Middle East.

No it wasnt.

[Brennus_AD]

i concur with slo you should pick up the bible before you make an ass of yourself

[Brennus_AD]

well according to the bible and most cultures unless you believe that we were all cavemen living on glaciers and shit

[Buddha]

the oldest known book, the epic of gilgamesh has the noah's ark story in it, some 1500 years before the bible. It also has a whole buch of other stuff in it that is obvious bullshit but its a cool story.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

i concur with slo you should pick up the bible before you make an ass of yourself

I disagreed with your point that has no factual evidence behind it. Do you have any evidence that mankind was grouped together in the middle east? Or is that just what the bible says?

well according to the bible and most cultures unless you believe that we were all cavemen living on glaciers and shit

I think your the one making a ass of yourself. Instead of looking at fictitious book for your answers to history you should get a fucking real education. Do you think that the Bible is historically accurate?

[Startdigging]

noah's arc happened just face it=/, so did david and goliath, samson the strong and the jews really did stand up and rebel against the egyptians too , honestly I sware

[whateverdude]

Remember the world was officially flat, and America didn't exist back then so it would take less water to flood the world.

[boyscoutreject]

if we could keep emotions out of this discussion i'd be happy to answer any questions.
I'm no expert but maybe i can clear some stuff up.

[freetibet]

if we could keep emotions out of this discussion i'd be happy to answer any questions.
I'm no expert but maybe i can clear some stuff up.

This thread is basically a place for atheists to bitch about fundamentalist christian views on the story of Noah's ark. I suggest you leave immediately before you are anally raped.

[BabyDinosaur]

I disagreed with your point that has no factual evidence behind it. Do you have any evidence that mankind was grouped together in the middle east? Or is that just what the bible says?



I think your the one making a ass of yourself. Instead of looking at fictitious book for your answers to history you should get a fucking real education. Do you think that the Bible is historically accurate?


its not just that the bible says taht, cos really it kind of hints at it and it is just assumed. But all human life, started in the fertile cresent which is located in the middle east. this is where humans developed agriculture. However as the population grew, and the soil was over used and the climat changed. People moved away into other regions such as china and eastern europe

[TotalAnarchyUK]

its not just that the bible says taht, cos really it kind of hints at it and it is just assumed. But all human life, started in the fertile cresent which is located in the middle east. this is where humans developed agriculture. However as the population grew, and the soil was over used and the climat changed. People moved away into other regions such as china and eastern europe

Do you have any evidence at all we started in the middle east?

[BabyDinosaur]

im sorry i truly meant africa.. also even in a Christian view life started in africa, but for a scientific explanation of this..
here is how humans moved, i know the picture says adam and eve but it really just means male and female

http://holtz.org/Library/Natural%20Science/Biology/Human%20Gene%20Migrations.gif

The oldest hominid fossils have been found in Africa. so theoretically i am saying that it is highly likely that this is where HUMAN life started

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Doesn't this contradict the biblical view that the earth was created 6-10,000 years ago?

For a change, look at the bible as just another book. If you were reading a science textbook, and there was one part or fact inside it that was factually incorrect wouldnt you be very skeptical of the factual status of the rest of the content? And in the Bible there ain't just one of these contradictions, there are hundreds.

This thread is basically a place for atheists to bitch about fundamentalist christian views on the story of Noah's ark. I suggest you leave immediately before you are anally raped.

Its an education. Some people actually believe this shit to be true.

[BabyDinosaur]

i totally agree there are many many different contradictions in the bible, i am just saying that you need to try and see it from both sides, if you do see the bible as a fictional book though you have to admit it is slightly based on history. Not the old creation stories and the traveling to egypt. But once in egypt history seems to slightly agree with the bible

[boyscoutreject]

This thread is basically a place for atheists to bitch about fundamentalist christian views on the story of Noah's ark. I suggest you leave immediately before you are anally raped.
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thanks for the advice. i'll keep that in mind

[xXN0sferatuXx]

Is that all you do is find the threads that no one has been on for a week or more and try and necro it. You must be retarded or you just want to get flamed for being a noob bitch.

[Warpurlgis]

i totally agree there are many many different contradictions in the bible, i am just saying that you need to try and see it from both sides, if you do see the bible as a fictional book though you have to admit it is slightly based on history. Not the old creation stories and the traveling to egypt. But once in egypt history seems to slightly agree with the bible

The bible has been proven altered over history. I'm Christian, but I refuse to believe everything in the bible. Yea your gonna argue well isn't the bible where the Christians get their ideas on their religion, but no I believe in the fundamental idea that exists in the Bible but not the entire Bible itself.

[BabyDinosaur]

its like people say heaven is a reachable place. i believe its more of a mindset and helps people get through everyday life because they believe they have a higher power looking after them all day everyday. The only time people do turn to "god" is after a disaster, which we learn from teh bible is a cycle. They obey, they get prideful, god causes afflictions, they ask why me/us, and repeat since teh begining of man

[hdeuce]

The story of noah's ark claims the entire world was flooded, but back then the entirwe world consisted of only places you could get to, so maybe just the desert basin flooded. If that was the case, Noah wouldnt have needed to of every animal, just two of every animal living in the desert basin, which wouldnt have been AS many. Also, the boat wouldn't have had to have been as big. So we have a flooded desert basin in which a boat floated carrying two animals of say thirty different species. for 40 days. and 40 nights. at which time the flood waters had receded enough to let the animals free again.

[Warpurlgis]

its like people say heaven is a reachable place. i believe its more of a mindset and helps people get through everyday life because they believe they have a higher power looking after them all day everyday. The only time people do turn to "god" is after a disaster, which we learn from teh bible is a cycle. They obey, they get prideful, god causes afflictions, they ask why me/us, and repeat since teh begining of man

You are just a complete moron

[xxxzz]

noahs ark
proved to be complete utter bs
like everything else in the bible

[freetibet]

noahs ark
proved to be complete utter bs
like everything else in the bible

It's a story, your not supposed to take it literally.

I guess expecting you to understand metaphors is a bit much though.

[xxxzz]

i never said it wasnt a story
that was directed at the people who take it as 100% fact

[BabyDinosaur]

i agree, the bible is filled with stories. some people take it way to literally. the bible can be based off of facts but it is not all true. It is more of the oh how was the world created .... weeeellll.... like the tower of babel and so on

[Warpurlgis]

Its a simple book of teachings, with some of the actual Christian belief preserved within it.

[xXN0sferatuXx]

You also have to consider the writers of the bible and the time period it was written in vs. our own time period. Also the biblical scrolls have been translated and retranslated and people have tried to simplify it for the lowest common denominator. What was written could been exaderations or just faulty assumptions because of their time. As for Noah's ark its actually been proven multiple times that there was a great flood. All cultures around the world have the same story of a great flood and great boat. But like i said the bible exaggerates the story to prove a point.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

As for Noah's ark its actually been proven multiple times that there was a great flood. All cultures around the world have the same story of a great flood and great boat. But like i said the bible exaggerates the story to prove a point.

Show me this proof.

[hdeuce]

Here Tauk, I believe this is what you are looking for.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html