Homosexuality and Religion

[JohnLennonII]

Here's my question:
Assuming that all belief systems (including atheism) are religions in their own right, how does yours handle homosexuality?
By the way, if you can't post without attacking someone else's person rather than their ideas/arguments, don't fuckin' post.
It's annoying and it clogs up the forum with meaningless words.

[deathlord888]

i personally dont care if someone is gay it doesnt effect me. as long as they are not watching me change or anything then i dont care at all

[Nebuchadnezzar]

My religion is indifferent to homosexuals.






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[methtownblue]

Most religions are against people who are homosexual or bisexual. I liked Anton Levay and his religion Satanism. Its actually one of the few religions that isn't intolerant toward homosexuals. Satanism also makes a lot of sense with how its practice applies to real world situations. I suggest you look into it.

[JohnLennonII]

I have looked into it extensively, thank you.
Nebuchadnezzar, what religion do you practice?
I have some good ideas... but I find it good to not jump to conclusions.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I am an atheist.

I was once agnostic, but I realized that the likelihood of humans creating 'god' is far greater than the likelihood of there being one, enough to justify the switch.

[KusKus]

im catholic

[methtownblue]

I have looked into it extensively, thank you.
Nebuchadnezzar, what religion do you practice?
I have some good ideas... but I find it good to not jump to conclusions.

So is Levayan Satanism something that fits to your liking?

[katt]

My lack of religion doesn't care.



Also, no matter how interesting Satanism might be, to believe in that, I'd have to believe in Satan, which I just can't bring myself to do.

[JohnLennonII]

That's where you're wrong, katt. You don't have to believe in Satan unless you want to be a theistic Satanist.
Laveyan Satanists are athesists who use the concept and image of Satan to express their freedom and individuality to do what they want, when they want it, and how.
The only proviso is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions.
There is no god to blame or grovel to, hence you are your own god and you are ultimately responsible for what you do.

methtownblue, more or less, however there are some things which I can't reconcile.

KusKus, so since you're Catholic does that mean you are against homosexuality? Where do you stand?

Nebuchadnezzar, let me ask you this.
Were gay people born that way?
And what about bis?
Do you have an opinion here?

[Chiri]

I'm really a naturalist as far as religious beliefs go. Not really an organized religion, but it's a belief system for me.

This being said, homosexual is obviously something that occurs naturally, as we see it in people, animals, etc from time to time. It's just not that big of a deal, and they're probably born this way.

I've met some gays that seemed like pretty cool guys. I don't think they should be hated.

[JohnLennonII]

So then the question would be, Should gay people be entitled to anything special?

[methtownblue]

There have been studies where there are actual physical and emotional differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Also scientists have been able to find that there is a gene, depending on if its turned on or off, that dictates your sexuality.

That being said, there is nothing special with homosexuality. Its a trait, like your hair, thus contributing with everything else to make you unique and distinguishable between others.

The only thing gay people deserve is some sympathy, which is because of how they are usually seen as an abomination by many. With that, its not like you are going to give them some money or hold the door open for them because of who they are as a person, for that is unfair.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Nebuchadnezzar, let me ask you this.
Were gay people born that way?
And what about bis?
Do you have an opinion here?

Well, my best friend's gay, and another friend of mine is bi, they're both great people, so the relevance of your question is entirely lost on me. I do not know, nor do I honestly care.

[JohnLennonII]

Very good point, Nebuchadnezzar and methtownblue.

[remadon1]

The whole idea of gay vs straight in any religion or society doesn't make sense to me
as long as they don't try to make a pass at me than I'm cool with them.

I believe you cant choose who you fall in love with.

[Chiri]

If there's some kind of accomodation they need, ie; freedom from harassment, etc. Other than that, they're just like anybody else. I don't think they should be entitled to anything special.

[remadon1]

Agreed

if anything is granted besides a fair equal place in society than they would become Superior

[Leezpo]

Idiotic mongrels. Homosexuality is a sin. Repent! REPENT!

Praise the lord.

-Faithful Leezpro

[saskwche]

leezpo i agree that its a sin but they way u express yourself is like in the form of a joke which is extre***y disrespectful

btw the reason why i believe homosexuals are who they are is because they dont have a good relationship with god and therefor dont have and or know right from wrong to a certain extent and this is what causes them to choose what they think is natural (satan messing with u as well) and by every1 accepting this you are just encouraging the sinful behavior to proceed

but yee im adventist but i dont go to church a lot

[Ash]

Let them do as they please. Gays and gay marriage do not hurt anyone or anything.

[saskwche]

my god noobs like urself really need to read the rules

NO NECRO POSTING

[jadler]

Homo, hetero, bi, a, or whatever else you can dream up there is always going to be someone telling you no.

The person that speaks out against something is probably the person that stands to lose something from it. Many anti-gay people were closet cases themselves and stood to lose vast control by being outed.

I am not some religious case either. I am a normal fucking human being. I don't know who god is or what god wants or what god would do with me. All I know is that if I meet a god of some sort I think that would be neat. If not then I guess it shows me something about the universe.

I think that the reason people are always running around like this is that they are essentially afraid of the idea of something or nothing beyond themselves. Its easy to use the idea of god to bash a gay instead of dealing with your inner fear of your own mortality.

Also btw I'm new and love the fuckin site! No rules forums are the best things to come from the internet.

[saskwche]

im not trying to hide behind anything i will say to a fucking homosexual or tyranny i dont fucking like u and u disgust me with the shit u do and think

the only think that is worst then that is the person who knows wat they are doin and thinking and still says ohh its ok lets accept them cuz there different

yea there different but different is not always good its fucking morally wrong and 2 males or females were never meant to be together

if u start asking y not its simple as fuck

lets say every1 was a fag and a dike how the fuck wud they reproduce?

they wudnt be able to cuz its jut not suppose to work like that and ppl keep accepting it cuz its made to seem ok by the media and worst of all by you

[TotalAnarchyUK]

im not trying to hide behind anything i will say to a fucking homosexual or tyranny i dont fucking like u and u disgust me with the shit u do and think

the only think that is worst then that is the person who knows wat they are doin and thinking and still says ohh its ok lets accept them cuz there different

yea there different but different is not always good its fucking morally wrong and 2 males or females were never meant to be together

if u start asking y not its simple as fuck

lets say every1 was a fag and a dike how the fuck wud they reproduce?

they wudnt be able to cuz its jut not suppose to work like that and ppl keep accepting it cuz its made to seem ok by the media and worst of all by you

People like you shouldnt be allowed to breed.

[Deetinator]

My beliefs are that homosexuality is wrong. I think it is a choice, but whether or not is a choice to be born that way, it is still a choice to act on it. So either way, they it's still wrong to engage in.

I do not hate homosexuals. To hate someone for this is worse, I think, that what they're doing. But still, I think it's wrong.

And I'd like to applaud this forum for as a whole, everyone being able to speak there ideas without a flame war starting.

[saskwche]

deetinator thats exactly was i was trying to say just cudnt find the words to say it since i am not very go at expressing wat i say

i hate what they do and that we must accept it and if i say thats gay i can get in trouble cuz some ppl choose to act or do certain things

fuck that ill say what i plz and cuz of that plus many other reasons i dont like fags or dikes so for all u reading this who are homosexual or accept homosexuality are sinning and for that i will no affiliate myself with u and call u a friend or even an acquaintance not saying i dont sin but i try and better myself as for homosexuals dont they want us to "accept" them for who they are well go cry to sum1 who cares and praise the lord for prohibiting gay marriage in California :D

[BlitzNation]

Satanism is just silly. It's just a big middle finger to religious folk, which can be amusing, but it really hurts secular ethical movements. So in no way do I support Satanism.

Cold science and perspective shows homosexual populations as a constant in every social vertebrate studied. It obviously has a purpose, so for people to be opposed to it or paint it as a choice or being deviant - well it's just ignorant and I'm growing tired of it.

[saskwche]

fuck science i dont need a fucking theory or something that "seems to look" right tell me that something that i know an feel is not morally right is okay hah

sure science helps for lots of things but i dont need proof for every single thing i dislike i dont have to have a reason for not liking it and i dont have to explain myself and im not going to anymore

just as many other people feel maybe none on this website but i sure as hell no a lot of people who are against homosexuality

[BlitzNation]

Okay, let me get this straight. You are completely willing to ignore all testing, observation, facts and numbers because of some deep seeded hatred of gays? Don't you realize that it would be the same as ignoring all test scores and observations of black people because deep down you "feel" they are an inferior race. Dude, that makes you a clueless bigot.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

^ Agreed

@ sask - Answer me this, if a gay couple want to be married then what reason other than its wrong, is there that should stop them from bieng able to marry?

Its mindblowing how some people can deny others the same things that they want themselves.

[saskwche]

those only reason why they want it now is because people like u allowed them to continue to express their feelings (which like ive said are morally wrong) and also because its breaking the most sacred laws for man

the laws of the lord and ur telling me u can break one of those laws and still live happy

hah lets say fags cud get married ok cherri-o they fucking get what they want without any1 not liking it and no1 harassing them

now they've gone an sinned and since every1 has accepted it and let a gay couple get married u have now sinned as well because ur allowing something that is against the law of the lord to sin without informing you fellow brother or sister they are about to sin

so think of it this way u got a cuzin about to break a federal law and u know hes going to and u say nothing sure other ppl wont care but who's gonna live with the guilt? whos gonna look down on u and say u cud have prevented that from happening see what im saying and if u dont believe in god its kool u know he might exist or some one has mentioned him to u so they have done their part to try and help u but its all within ur hands now what u do with that so go for it keep breaking the law of the lord which is highest of all u fallow his law and ull always be ok but u JUST follow normal laws of ur country and i guarantee u soon enough just like fags drugs addicts will begin to want more privileges not rights privileges and ull be on ur way to sinning some more

but hell thats just my idea u can keep accepting fagots but im not going to

[TotalAnarchyUK]

those only reason why they want it now is because people like u allowed them to continue to express their feelings (which like ive said are morally wrong) and also because its breaking the most sacred laws for man

the laws of the lord and ur telling me u can break one of those laws and still live happy

hah lets say fags cud get married ok cherri-o they fucking get what they want without any1 not liking it and no1 harassing them

now they've gone an sinned and since every1 has accepted it and let a gay couple get married u have now sinned as well because ur allowing something that is against the law of the lord to sin without informing you fellow brother or sister they are about to sin

so think of it this way u got a cuzin about to break a federal law and u know hes going to and u say nothing sure other ppl wont care but who's gonna live with the guilt? whos gonna look down on u and say u cud have prevented that from happening see what im saying and if u dont believe in god its kool u know he might exist or some one has mentioned him to u so they have done their part to try and help u but its all within ur hands now what u do with that so go for it keep breaking the law of the lord which is highest of all u fallow his law and ull always be ok but u JUST follow normal laws of ur country and i guarantee u soon enough just like fags drugs addicts will begin to want more privileges not rights privileges and ull be on ur way to sinning some more

but hell thats just my idea u can keep accepting fagots but im not going to

This is one of the reasons I am against religion in general. It inspires ignorance and hate.

I dont follow any of your "lords" laws and Iam happy as fuckin larry.
Religion is no excuse for hatred and bigotry, if you hate gay people so much shouldnt you be happy there going to burn in hell?

[saskwche]

the hatred was fueled by something completely different from religion so i cud care less if ur against religion and no it doesnt make me happy that they will burn in hell what makes me happy is that the ppl that learn to accept them and encourage them will cuz the fag can still be saved if he repents and so can the supporters but the one whos against the religion will most likely not repent and will live his "happy" life with all his materialistic things and eventually just die and that will be the end for him but for those few who do repent and do follow the lords law will be saved

so if by me being a dick to someone means saving their life and not mine im all for it cuz i dont hate fags and dikes i just hate what they choose and how their thoughts of how life should be have been mixed up by lucifer and science but ppl see this happening and still say "accept them cuz they were born like that" or w/e bullshit excuse they have for being gay

[BlitzNation]

Sask, there are so many things blatantly wrong with your logic.

As I wrote a few posts ago, homosexuality has an obvious purpose in nature. Whether it be population control, gene variety checks and balances, altruism variables whatever. But that doesn't mean much to you. Let's take this onto a balanced ethical playing field for a second. Let's pretend whatever religion and belief system you subscribe to says nothing of homosexuality and that science is irrelevant. The actions of these people have no negative consequences on your life or the society around them. So how can it be said that it is wrong? Because it is different than your practices? Let's say that you say it is wrong because the majority don't practice in it. Well let's say you like the band Slipknot more than Coldplay. Coldplay sells an incredibly higher amount of albums and concert tickets when compared to Slipknot. Does that mean that all the people who listen to Slipknot are wrong? Of course not. It's a preference with no base in morality. My point overall is that your claim that homosexuality is wrongful can only be inspired by a dogma you have adopted from religion, selective media or your parents there by giving it no legitimate voice over scientific fact or even-grounded ethics.

[LivingwithLouieDog]

I have absolutely no problem with homosexuality.
And I believe religion is a macro-example of burying your head in the sand.

After all, religion is the opiate of the masses.

[Cashis Clay]

hate fags? The answer's "yes"
Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic
Starin' at my jeans, watchin my genitals bulgin
That's my motherfuckin balls, you'd better let go of 'em
They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of 'em

[saskwche]

its plain adn simple for all of u who still cant understand it

FAGS DONT BELONG

its like allowing a drug addict to use drugs cuz he was born to live a high life

bullshit hes an addict a fag is a fag that has been brainwashed by the media to think that a sick thought of his is okay sure it will slip ur mind once or twice in ur life but doesnt mean u have to dwell on it and embrace what u were "born" with its common sense fags are not born gay its all mental so get over saying it natural cuz is wanting to use drugs natural NO some how someone or something brainwashes u enough to give in so piss off im threw with this topic

[LivingwithLouieDog]

its plain adn simple for all of u who still cant understand it

FAGS DONT BELONG

its like allowing a drug addict to use drugs cuz he was born to live a high life

bullshit hes an addict a fag is a fag that has been brainwashed by the media to think that a sick thought of his is okay sure it will slip ur mind once or twice in ur life but doesnt mean u have to dwell on it and embrace what u were "born" with its common sense fags are not born gay its all mental so get over saying it natural cuz is wanting to use drugs natural NO some how someone or something brainwashes u enough to give in so piss off im threw with this topic

This is ignorant, and I regret to inform you that I'll never respect an argument like that, when you can't be bothered to speak proper English.

Think what you'd like, but when you're condescending, I'll shoot you down.

[saskwche]

like ive sad before u keep accepting them and pretty soon ur gonna have addicts wanting more "tolerance"

[Deetinator]

Clarify what you mean by that.

[saskwche]

u give a fag his own rights and let him get wat he wants and pretty soon ur gonna get addicts saying "legalize drugs common have some tolerance accept us" what i saying is lil by lil ur bring ur standards down and lowering ur morals so pretty soon ur gonna accept pretty much anything or any1 thats all im saying along with im not a supporter and some nice things are happening here in CA since fags still cant get married :D

[Deetinator]

OK, so you're saying you shouldn't compromise your standards. I agree with that.

Don't use the term fag though. It sounds hateful, and remember, we're supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner. You don't want to get bunched with Westboro Baptists, do you?

[crazyassmetalhead]

to answer the original question of the thread, religion, morals, god(s)........laws.......all these things are the ideas of people, nothing more.

i don't have a belief system because beliefs cannot be changed. stupid people and their "beliefs" have been fucking shit up since the dawn of man.......which of course was most likely the product of evolution and not some other fanciful bullshit.......well anyways.

i just don't give a fuck, do whatever you want.

gay marriage is more a legal issue than a religious one anyways, all the christian fucktards argue for the "sancity of marriage" which is all well and good, but the dykes and fags aren't getting married in your fucking church so why does it matter? they want a marriage license, legal recognition of their relationship......they can give a shit about your church/religion or whatever, they want government recognition and tax cuts and such.........shit they should have honestly.

the easiest way to solve it would be just to call it something else, gay union or something.......cause god forbid the queers take marriage away in america, the country with one of if not the highest divorce rates in the world.........sancity of marriage........lol

[Deetinator]

The idea of fairness and justice is not man made. What is love? Sure, you may get benefits from someone you love, but love is not an exchange of goods. You don't love a vending machine. Some morals are cultural, I admit. Take the bird for instance. There's nothing inherently wrong with raising your middle finger alone. But because culture says it is bad, and you choose to do it anyway, that is wrong. Why? Because you are choosing to rebel, and choosing to be offensive against someone else.

Not to mention, when is stealing, killing, or just flat out hatred against someone else ever okay? Maybe if it's for a greater cause (except hatred for people) then it can be justified.

Remember as a kid, the urge to fight for the good guys? And it was just right just because? Sure, you didn't know all these science facts, but your innocence and untainted spirit made the world pretty black and white, didn't it? They were just good because they were.

[crazyassmetalhead]

yes but then i realized that the only difference between good and bad is just the distinction.

nothing more.

[saskwche]

ohh my gosh srsly drop the science crap

science is just a fancy name for observations and the limits of mans knowledge

just cuz man thinks something is right to his knowledge and from what he has observed doesnt mean shit

like said by many u learn something new everyday and since man hasnt learned if god is real or not doesnt mean that the christian religion is just a bunch of outrageous beliefs

and for those who still dont trust or believe in a higher power and always want facts behind a persons beliefs or thoughts there is proof so do a lil research urself and see why so many ppl are devoting their time and effort to stop something that the lord has strictly said is not right

btw religions are not to blame for ppl not liking fags sure it may be part of the reason why i along with many others dont but do u really wanna see what will most likely happen if fags are accepted cuz i sure as hell dont wanna see gay couples or just gay in general start to flood the streets and having to watch as the caress themselves and kiss each other cuz in my opinion that just fuckin gross

also i will keep saying fag all i want i have rights just as fags do and i if i have to live with homosexuals i will refer to them as fags so if u fagots dont want me to call u that keep ur gay shit in ur dirty lil minds and stop confusing the minds of this nation with ur idiotic idea that being gay is okay and its just how u were born cuz we all know its bullshit

[BlitzNation]

Sask, you're a fucking moron.

[Wolkkkk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d63ClccjjE Louis CK about gay people

[Deetinator]

@ crazy: Of course there is a difference between right and wrong. Why do so many people on this site get mad at cops for mistreating civilians? Because it's not right. To deny this is just being dishonest.

[Deetinator]

Have you ever been mad at someone for something they did to you?

[sorom]

Everyone should just do whatever the fuck they want. No one has any right to dictate the actions of others. It's the same with abortion; unless you're the parent, it's got nothing to do with you. Unless you're gay, it's got nothing to do with you.

Sask, have your principles, that's fine, as long as you don't oppress others to your whim. And if you're so very bold as to claim heterosexuality to be God's strict will even though you cannot prove his existence and have never met the fellow, you nor any other human has the right to oppress anyone, no matter whose will.

Nope, in reality, there are only opinions.

Agreed. I usually like the term "preferable" though.

[Deetinator]

So if it doesn't have to do with you, you shouldn't interfere?

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Everyone should just do whatever the fuck they want. No one has any right to dictate the actions of others. It's the same with abortion; unless you're the parent, it's got nothing to do with you. Unless you're gay, it's got nothing to do with you.

Sask, have your principles, that's fine, as long as you don't oppress others to your whim. And if you're so very bold as to claim heterosexuality to be God's strict will even though you cannot prove his existence and have never met the fellow, you nor any other human has the right to oppress anyone, no matter whose will.

Everything I ever wanted to say on this subject.

[sorom]

So if it doesn't have to do with you, you shouldn't interfere?

Indeed. I understand why you'd disagree, like if you feel you have a duty to act. But Scott Roeder thought he was acting as the hand of God when he shot dead abortion clinic Dr. Tiller on Sunday in his own church. That's fucking insane.

But that's just where I stand.

[Deetinator]

I understand how you feel. But for all the normal people out there who don't like killing, of course I'm going to try interfere. How much does one have to hate another person to see a truck barrelling towards them and not try to get them out of the way?

[Wolkkkk]

I thank gay people everytime i get to work in time. And everytime i don`t have to look at snot-nose butt ugly kids whine and eat near me.

[Wolkkkk]

Also i don`t think gay people should be able to get married. Neither should anyone. Marriege is crap that will drain the life out of you

[sorom]

How much does one have to hate another person...

Ah, one need not hate the individual at all, merely care not the slightest bit. However to care so little, it might be necessary to have a negative disposition against people as a whole. Most people aren't worth saving to me.

Do as you will, righteous one; I won't stop ya. ;)

Also I don't think gay people should be able to get married. Neither should anyone...

Marriage is indeed a silly, overrated thing. A couple that need be married is a couple that shall divorce, for a couple that fits will be bound by itself. Just get matching rings or something and leave it at that.

[Deetinator]

I'm not trying to be arrogant, but should fear of arrogance keep me from doing the right thing?

Marriage is a commitment, and just because some people screw it up, doesn't mean marriage itself is bad. Even gay people should tell you that.

[EXvall]

ohh my gosh srsly drop the science crap

science is just a fancy name for observations and the limits of mans knowledge

just cuz man thinks something is right to his knowledge and from what he has observed doesnt mean shit

like said by many u learn something new everyday and since man hasnt learned if god is real or not doesnt mean that the christian religion is just a bunch of outrageous beliefs

and for those who still dont trust or believe in a higher power and always want facts behind a persons beliefs or thoughts there is proof so do a lil research urself and see why so many ppl are devoting their time and effort to stop something that the lord has strictly said is not right

btw religions are not to blame for ppl not liking fags sure it may be part of the reason why i along with many others dont but do u really wanna see what will most likely happen if fags are accepted cuz i sure as hell dont wanna see gay couples or just gay in general start to flood the streets and having to watch as the caress themselves and kiss each other cuz in my opinion that just fuckin gross

also i will keep saying fag all i want i have rights just as fags do and i if i have to live with homosexuals i will refer to them as fags so if u fagots dont want me to call u that keep ur gay shit in ur dirty lil minds and stop confusing the minds of this nation with ur idiotic idea that being gay is okay and its just how u were born cuz we all know its bullshit

I now quoteth from http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/391572

A "fag" is a small stick, or twig. A "faggot" is a bundle of sticks, usually used to start a fire- the equivalent American word is "kindling".

Homosexuals used to be burned alive at the stake, like witches.

Calling a gay person a "fag" is the same as saying that they should be burned to death- that their lives are not worth anything more than kindling.

Even though I personally think homosexuallity is morally wrong i do not think that they deserve to be killed
I also read somewhere that a lil bit of gayness is hereditary.

[Deetinator]

Here is an open scientific question:

If gayness is hereditary, then how can it be passed down? If you're gay, you won't reproduce. If you're straight, you will. Anyone?

EDIT: And if there is something that triggers it, why would that be?

[sorom]

I'm not trying to be arrogant, but should fear of arrogance keep me from doing the right thing?

It really doesn't matter what you do if we're as insignificant and pointless as I feel. Do whatever the hell you want, because no matter what path you take there's consequences. Don't over think life, just fucking do it. Sorry if that's too crude.

Marriage is a commitment(...)doesn't mean marriage itself is bad.

The relationship is the commitment, the marriage is only a symbol of it. I didn't say it was bad, just unnecessary.

Here is an open scientific question:

If gayness is hereditary, then how can it be passed down?

If it is true, Bisexuals would be the ones to pass it.

Even though I personally think homosexuallity is morally wrong i do not think that they deserve to be killed
I also read somewhere that a lil bit of gayness is hereditary.

If hereditary, thus naturally occurring, then how can it be morally wrong?

[saskwche]

If hereditary, thus naturally occurring, then how can it be morally wrong?

because humans are born into sin and since homosexuality is a sin Lucifer has twisted it to make u think it naturally occurs in a human beings thoughts when in fact it should not be

for example if a family is brought up without the knowledge of drugs existing they will never question it or ask themselves anything about them thus preventing the curiosity or ever even trying drugs so try this with but dont mention homosexuality or anything gay lol and then tell me if its hereditary

[Deetinator]

It really doesn't matter what you do if we're as insignificant and pointless as I feel. Do whatever the hell you want, because no matter what path you take there's consequences. Don't over think life, just fucking do it. Sorry if that's too crude.

You are not insignificant. You matter, and you are loved. And the things you do can seriously affect other people.



The relationship is the commitment, the marriage is only a symbol of it. I didn't say it was bad, just unnecessary.
But isn't marriage the highest form of commitment? If you're not willing to be married, then where's the commitment?



If it is true, Bisexuals would be the ones to pass it.
What about when straight parents have gay kids? And if they actually must be bi then, how can we know?

[saskwche]

What about when straight parents have gay kids? And if they actually must be bi then, how can we know?

like i said above sir its Lucifer's constant attempts to twist your thoughts of whats right and wrong using media

so if there was no media with twisted messages of acceptance for sinful behavior such as homosexuality then homosexuality would have been abolished by now so your are not born as a homosexual or bisexual being

you are blinded with whats right and wrong by others who have already been confused with the sin and learn to accept sinful behaviors and thoughts (which potentially can become actions if encouraged enough)

[Wolkkkk]

like i said above sir its Lucifer's constant attempts to twist your thoughts of whats right and wrong using media

so if there was no media with twisted messages of acceptance for sinful behavior such as homosexuality then homosexuality would have been abolished by now so your are not born as a homosexual or bisexual being

you are blinded with whats right and wrong by others who have already been confused with the sin and learn to accept sinful behaviors and thoughts (which potentially can become actions if encouraged enough)
/./
Lucifer is using media?
Also internet? And books too.
Give the devil more credit.
He is propably in every text message you get too.

I cannot believe that people still believe that there is a guy with a pitchfork doing evil deeds. Like people arent shitty enough without that.

[saskwche]

shows how much you know lmfao the person ur referring to is a myth

i am speaking of lucifer the fallen angel who was the prettiest angel to ever live and yes im pretty sure he has some involvement in everything we read use or see

[Wolkkkk]

You are not insignificant. You matter, and you are loved. And the things you do can seriously affect other people.




But isn't marriage the highest form of commitment? If you're not willing to be married, then where's the commitment?




What about when straight parents have gay kids? And if they actually must be bi then, how can we know?

Im sorry. But cant you do a commitment without dragging the lawyers and the church into the thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXpsT3e8UsM

[hatchet]

for example if a family is brought up without the knowledge of drugs existing they will never question it or ask themselves anything about them thus preventing the curiosity or ever even trying drugs

i disagree. information can be just as well a deterant. ie> i grew up in/around a place where drugs were common and not such a bad thing but more a way of life. ive done ALOT of drugs. yet. my sister, whos is one year younger than myself has never touched a thing. she had a first hand view of the things drugs could do to you and chose not to get involved with any of it. ultimately it comes down to the choices you want to make. >> if you never ever talk to your kids about sex. or the reprecutions of. THEY are still going to grow up and have sex. only havin little knowledge of the matter.. prolly go get knocked up or contract an std.

what im getting at here is: Jesus is the MOST PERFECT disguise for satan himself. :)

[hatchet]

But isn't marriage the highest form of commitment? If you're not willing to be married, then where's the commitment?

Marriage was introduced by the church however long ago. it was not demanded that you had to be wed to be with someone within your society. the church introduced it as a control method "bounding two souls through the will of god" Fortunately, for government and state. this control method worked out pretty damn good so marriage became a more common thing outside of specific religeous practices. in celtic practice. the two lovers bound their hands together for 24hrs for all the people to see, to show their love and commitment for one another.

Biblically, to be divorced is to Sin against your lord almighty. for he blessed the two of you in his holy matrimony... and you shit on him.

[hatchet]

and to take up more space, on the gay subject i really dont think being gay is hereditary. scientifically, it is a good possibility. but do you honestly think theres a chromosone that dictates. OH, i should smoke cock. how close-minded. any straight man out here could fuck a dude if he actually wanted to. its your choice. that devil/god makes me do it Bullshit.. the only one to place blame on is yourself. the only thing gays/fags are passing on heriditarilly. is Disease. and for this plague they instill upon the generations to come. for the better of human survival. they should be burnt at a stake. :D

[VIOLENTLY humble]

My lack of religion doesn't care.



Also, no matter how interesting Satanism might be, to believe in that, I'd have to believe in Satan, which I just can't bring myself to do.

Okay, folks, reminding You fine folks that you CANNOT believe in a supreme , Good being, with out it's antithesis, the omniscient, evil baddy being.

as for myself, I cannot look around this place and suppose it just "happened", but then, all the judeo christian fairy tales are Extre***y hard ta swallow......

Back to gays--- Don't you look at a person, ANY person, as a PERSON foist??
If not, what the hell's wrong with you? I'm not saying give the homo a kiss, just be like God wants all of his creations to be--- inherently, GOOD to @ other- What all loving creator would say, "noono, stop. sorry- your a fuckin wierdo, no can do. downstairs..." God, I beieve , does not want us to grovel so he can say, "I forgive you , you little shit.!" would you say that to YOUR kid?? They're Gay! I drink too much GIN and watch PORNO! I wanna kill my EX- REALLY!!! Let us prey.......

Ah, man.

[sorom]

because humans are born into sin..

Hey I was just asking EXvall to expand. I don't need you going all biblical on me. Actually, I don't think anyone wants you going all biblical on anything. Also, I was not implying that "naturally occurring" means it's correct, just that if it is hereditary, as EXvall said he had heard, it is less of a choice than it seems. I never said I thought it was hereditary, in fact, I doubt it is.

You are not insignificant. You matter, and you are loved. And the things you do can seriously affect other people.

lol, I wasn't complaining; I really don't care if I'm insignificant or loved. I really, really don't. And I know cause and effect; existence is pretty much a massive formula with everything affecting everything else, infinite variables tied together (string theory anyone?). I'm saying no matter what you choose, something's going to happen, the difference is of type. All outcomes are of subjectivity--good to some, bad to others--so what's best is only what you decide is best. Even if Sask gives some shit about this (surprise, surprise), if God's path is right, it's God's decision of what's best, so there may be a most righteous path (by holy nomination), but there is no objectively "correct" one.

But isn't marriage the highest form of commitment? If you're not willing to be married, then where's the commitment?

The relationship. If you cheat, you've broken the monogamy and the trust, thus the commitment you had to be so. Marriage is the pretty red bow on the package.

What about when straight parents have gay kids? And if they actually must be bi then, how can we know?

Hey man, I was just throwing that out there; like I said above, I doubt it is. Do we really need to know?

like i said above sir its Lucifer's constant attempts to twist your thoughts(...)you are blinded(...)

You are just so convinced, it's adorable. :p

...they should be burnt at a stake. :D

I'll assume that was intended to amuse. Don't bother explain.

[Deetinator]

/./
Lucifer is using media?
Also internet? And books too.
Give the devil more credit.
He is propably in every text message you get too.

I cannot believe that people still believe that there is a guy with a pitchfork doing evil deeds. Like people arent shitty enough without that.

So people are shitty? We can be pretty disgusting. In fact, we are prone to be, because we DON'T want to do what's good. But how can we say we are disgusting if there is no standard? What is bad if there is no good? What is goodness, which we regard above ourselves? It can only come from a superior Being. A superior being who wants goodness for us. Hence, there is a God, and he loves us.

[hatchet]

For god so loved us.. he stands by and lets hundreds of people die meaninglessly every year. and thousands of innocent kinds starve to death and die of disease. or babys, who have never known a bad/evil thought in there life, die horribly before reaching a year old. where was your magical "god" when a bunch of towel-headed idiots flew a plane into the side of the world trade building totally annihilating every one within.. Jesus died for your sins.. and he's still dead. and will remain dead. because people stay dead. and if there is a god, he stopped caring a long long time ago.. in a galaxy far far away.. a great man of science set out to create a world of its own special magnitude. to evolve and develop as they sought fit. with choice, intelligence, and a will of their own. the most acclaimed accomplishment of his peoples time. and then, as every living thing in existence, he died. but his dream continued to prosper. now hundreds of years later. with all of creation merely a forgotten memory.. we strive, floating. aimlessly. searching the stars for "whys" and "what ifs"

[medicateme]

It's completely fine with me.. I'm bisexual myself. The way I see it, love is what it is. There can never be any rules or boundaries for love.

[Wolkkkk]

So people are shitty? We can be pretty disgusting. In fact, we are prone to be, because we DON'T want to do what's good. But how can we say we are disgusting if there is no standard? What is bad if there is no good? What is goodness, which we regard above ourselves? It can only come from a superior Being. A superior being who wants goodness for us. Hence, there is a God, and he loves us.

It can only come from a superior being? I disagree.
I think we are good because if we are not the other people are gonna be all over us telling us we are bad and sentencing us to this and that. Everyday golly goodness then again doesn`t necessary come from the old golly Jehova. It`s just in the nature of people to be a smiling brick or a negative nansy. And puppies and rainbows are just a coincidence.

And im not really sure that this superior being floathing around and listening to peoples whinings is really that loving as you say.
And how do you know?
Maybe god doesn`t give a shit?
Or maybe he is like one of those retarded kids? HE is kind of there but you know...it`s useless to try and make a good conversation that would make sense with him.

[Deetinator]

I know because he told me personally that He loves me. But hey, like you'd ever believe me on that....

Ultimately, people believe whatever they want to believe. But if you're not ready to give up, keep looking. If you seek Him, you'll find Him, when you search for Him with all your heart.

[GhostExodus]

You're not going to like my answer towards this. Since homosexuality is nothing new, it was being practiced by the pagans even 6 thousand years back, since we are all born in sin, we all have sinful tendancies even if its not what we asked for. For example, For some strange reason, i'v got as far as i know for fact, 3 generations of prostitutes, strippers and criminals in my family. All my sisters were or are strippers, my dad used to rob banks with his girl friend, my sisters mom was a stripper, my grandma when she was younger was a stripper, my aunt, my cousins, all strippers.
Not even talking about myself here, crime and sexual perversion runs in my family.
I was adopted so i wasnt raised in that enviorment. Crime has played a toll on me even though i wasnt raised in that enviornment either.
Its not about feminin cromosons or science, its a matter of sin. It was soddom and gamorrah's sin, once a God fearing people, later worshippers of statues and pagan rituals, all the way back to the time of moses when after the great feast of the golden calf and "they all rose up to play."
If science hasn't an explanation since nearly everyone here HAS to have an explanation from another man who is good at rationalizing things, go believe whatever you want. Its what you will do in the end anyways right? heh... homorphadox. Homo morphing paradox.

[Wolkkkk]

I know because he told me personally that He loves me. But hey, like you'd ever believe me on that....

Ultimately, people believe whatever they want to believe. But if you're not ready to give up, keep looking. If you seek Him, you'll find Him, when you search for Him with all your heart.

No.
Aleister Crowley searched.
I just like to sit around and think about the life values in my own head.

Every Christian weirdo..and i say weirdo cause they really are creepy this ones..That have told me that the holy spirit has touched their soul or that god showed that he loves them are really..really just freaky. You know what i think touched them - A Cerebral contusion -> That triggered a series of flashbacks.
Not really. I just think they are gullible

[ramalamafafafa]

Where and when did god tell you this, Deetinator? Can you quote him?

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Where and when did god tell you this, Deetinator? Can you quote him?

hahaha I dont think he can..

[sorom]

But hey, like you'd ever believe me on that....

I would like to hear this story as well, and not as a means of amusement, either.

[GhostExodus]

God doesnt manifest Himself to people asking for a sign so they can disproof to others. That has been figured out thru out time. God shows Himself to those who actually want to know who He is. The touching thing is not perverted like you all laugh about. We as humans believe something is real if we can touch it, and or see it. If you can touch it, it must be real. Since this is a homosexuality and religion topic, not homosexuality vs science or anything else like that, lets try to stay on track.

Nobody can compare God to people. People represent God and in that, people are people, we all have secret adjendas and goals (well many of us do) But if you really truely want to know what we are all saying and experiencing, the only way you have the right to disprove the fact that He is alive and real and the most powerful, the first who always was, and always will be, is to study His book and do what it says to do. Then you will have the entire ground to say what you like about the subject. LOL

[medicateme]

I'll just bite my tongue on this whole ordeal. :)

[Akhyll]

Every time you see a rainbow, God is having gay sex !!

[Deetinator]

I would like to hear this story as well, and not as a means of amusement, either.

If you'd actually like to know a little more about me, hit me up with a PM. I think that if I actually went into it on here, the forum would quickly clog with "tolerance"

[PhailPhish]

Here's my question:
Assuming that all belief systems (including atheism) are religions in their own right, how does yours handle homosexuality?
By the way, if you can't post without attacking someone else's person rather than their ideas/arguments, don't fuckin' post.
It's annoying and it clogs up the forum with meaningless words.

I have heard that god hates "fags/homos/queers" but has everyone forgotten that Jesus himself had two fathers?

haha,

ponder that little bit of info

religion is a crock of fucking shit,
there is nothing wrong with gay people, its not like they are contagious or some shit, people are just afraid of things they dont understand, its exactly like the whole situation with black people, we slandered them because they were fucking different.

[michigandalf]

The Hare Krishna's stance on homosexuality will be the deciding factor of whether or not I choose to join.

I will look that up in a moment.

[WillM]

I was raised Roman Catholic and went to 8 years of CCD I started questioning my faith in the 7th grade when they just repeated the same shit for the past 7 years and I actually read the bible with my friends parents bible reading club they hosted at their house. After I finished CCD which I did grudgingly because I thought they were all hypocritcs I found out about Agonstics. Currently I belive in a god but not organized religon. I personally don't care if your gay or not

[EmbrExcell]

Homosexuality and religion have nothing to do with each other.. Christianity's the big kid looking for a fight.

I really could care less about gays and lesbian, because it's their life, and hey I'm not really into that, but they're not doing anything wrong? Would you rather they murder 18 people in a mall? Some people treat gays like they have, and I honestly can't imagine how they can be like that.
Come on, if you've got a problem with homosexuality, you've got a problem with something far greater.

It's called being a sociopath.
If you we're gay, how would you want to be treated?

[ripmeidc]

i'm christian and i believe that we should just let the homos have there fun...why should we care? its there choice to be gay.. i'm not judging them just because they chose a different lifestyle than the rest of us.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Wtf is it with Christians and this choice thing?

There is no choice in bieng gay. You are born gay.

[Palmer]

Sometimes... There are some people that actually chose it, but actually yeah- there is a gene that causes homosexuality and attraction to others of the same sex.

I think they mean 'if they are gay and don't want to change' then who gives a shit, they shouldn't have to. I think that's what she (and/or other people in this thread) was getting at.
but then again- don't let me put words in your mouth if that's not what you meant.

I was raised a Pentecostal and I... Well, I don't like the thought of homosexuality anyways.
My religion says that you aren't supposed to be gay by choice.
I actually don't believe in the Jewish traditions or roots of Pentecostalism though.

There is a lot of grey to this when it comes to me though.
I am a Pentecostal, like I said, but I am actually a eugenicist (which is a philosophy, not a religion, for those that don't know).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Pentecostal/Eugenics.
What an odd mix, huh? =/


EDIT*

Homosexuality and religion have nothing to do with each other.. Christianity's the big kid looking for a fight.

Yes they do... If you notice, this thread is about "What are your religion's stance on homosexuality," That being said- many religions have different policies on homosexuality...

[sloyoyoyo]

Sometimes... There are some people that actually chose it, but actually yeah- there is a gene that causes homosexuality and attraction to others of the same sex.

I was raised a Pentecostal and I... Well, I don't like the thought of homosexuality anyways.
My religion says that you aren't supposed to be gay by choice.
I actually don't believe in the Jewish traditions or roots of Pentecostalism though.



Sorry man, there is no such thing as the gay gene - the scientific evidence is pretty clear on that. The most plausible view is that you become homosexual depending on your experiences and relationships with people of both the same and opposite sex.

(And if you can ban something because its unhealthy then you can ban male-male homosex for some nasty reasons that i wont go into lol)

Did you know hitler was also a eugenicist?

And finally you can't be a christian and not believe in the jewish traditions of christianity let alone pentecostalism - you can't cut off the roots of your family tree.. incase you haven't read the book of Romans - Christians are effectively Jews - we have been spiritually grafted into Israel.

PS. Homosexuallity is condemned in the Greek Scriptures/New testament aswell.

[Palmer]

Sorry man, there is no such thing as the gay gene - the scientific evidence is pretty clear on that. The most plausible view is that you become homosexual depending on your experiences and relationships with people of both the same and opposite sex.

(And if you can ban something because its unhealthy then you can ban male-male homosex for some nasty reasons that i wont go into lol)

Did you know hitler was also a eugenicist?

And finally you can't be a christian and not believe in the jewish traditions of christianity let alone pentecostalism - you can't cut off the roots of your family tree.. incase you haven't read the book of Romans - Christians are effectively Jews - we have been spiritually grafted into Israel.

PS. Homosexuallity is condemned in the Greek Scriptures/New testament aswell.


Yes, I am very aware of Hitler being a Eugenicist...

It's not as simple as saying "I'm Christian but don't believe in Judaism." It's a bit more complicated.

It's more/less that I believe in Christianity and acknowledge the Jewish roots without being in favor of them. I believe they are separate but are closely tied with how Christianity came along, and I don't necessarily have to believe the Jewish roots of Christianity and the Jewish teachings.
Even that is a bit more general than I want it to be.

Oh, also I should clarify on the 'gay gene' thing... There is not a gene that causes homosexuality but specific genetics that make it not a choice.
That's something you would be better of looking up because I am no scientist. :D
I am not for homosexuality either.

Just thought I would 'clear up' what I said a little more.
Still a bit general but whatever- I'm not on as much as I used to and don't have that much time.

[ravenscar]

PS. Homosexuallity is condemned in the Greek Scriptures/New testament aswell.


wiat, i watched a history channel thing saying greek men could have relations with a young boy if they gave fowl to the parents, so that means the greeks are gay and pedophiles, right?

[katt]

Because of something you heard on T.V., all Greeks were pedophiles and gay? Really?

[ravenscar]

hey it was the history channel

[skull]

hey it was the history channel
so does that mean it should be trusted with 100% accuracy? no, its still TV.

[ravenscar]

really, ive also read this in an old greek book so

[Palmer]

I believe certain Greek cultures did accept that, but not necessarily all of them at one time.
I actually believe some in ancient Greek were totally against it.
Also, even the ones that did that, doesn't mean everyone under that specific society WAS a 'pedo' and/or homo...

[ravenscar]

well, opinion are like assholes, everyones got one

[V for vermicelli]

Ravenscar is a pagan homo, so i guess it's alright in whatever their religion is all about

[ravenscar]

i dont think theres gay pagan, as we think sex between a man and a woman is sacred

[katt]

Actually, I know loads of gay pagans. Also, NOT ALL PAGANS BELIEVE THE SAME THINGS. 'PAGAN' IS A BLANKET TERM FOR A BUNCH OF RELIGIONS/BELIEFS. Get it?

[ravenscar]

i still think gay sex is sacrilegious

[V for vermicelli]

i still think gay sex is sacrilegious

The green men will smite you, unholy homosexual!

[katt]

i still think gay sex is sacrilegious

I still think you're an idiot.

[hdeuce]

Well Im surprised to say this. However, Ravenderp is right. (although i'm sure he doesnt understand why). Gay sex is sacriligious depending on your religion. Also, though, religions in which gay sex is sacriligious usually have deeplty inbred issues that will never be eradicated, and they will probably cave as a religion on their views before homos stop fucking. Just saying.

[Buddha]

http://edkrebs.com/herb/god-hates-fags-308.jpg

[Palmer]

http://edkrebs.com/herb/god-hates-fags-308.jpg

LOL!!!
God DOES hate FAG enablers! >=D
hahaha

Buddha, YOU'RE a homosexuality..... and a religion!
aksdjfhasj

[EmbrExcell]

This thread is banal.
I like it.

If god has likes and dislikes, why doesn't he have favorites? If he is prone to one thing, he must be prone to others. If god has a personality, that brings him down to your level and makes him a very flawed entity, doesnt it?

Christianity is a awesome religion. Christians are fucking idiots though.

[ravenscar]

Christianity is a awesome religion. Christians are fucking idiots though.
yes ma'am your right

[EmbrExcell]

Uhm.. Ma'am?
Am I at least sexy?
Do I have glasses?
Can I wear a skirt and work at the library?

Wait... Am I Christian?

[ravenscar]

im sorry im country and it seeps out at times

[katt]

Wait...you're a girl?

[ravenscar]

who's a girl?

[EmbrExcell]

I think she meant me Raven.
And I'm anything you want me to be for a fair price.
Hell, if he keeps calling me Ma'am I might just get used to it.

No, I'm a guy actually.
And not a flamboyant one either as my posts may lead you to believe.

[katt]

No, I definitely thought you were a guy...ravenscar was confusing me.

And I have nothing against flamboyant guys, you don't need to hide it. :)

[ravenscar]

sorry for the confusion,but i swore you said your a girl

[EmbrExcell]

Does it matter? Would you hit on me or something if I was?
Maybe I am, but I'm just lying to all of you. Hell, for all you know I'm a relative.

[katt]

You're not a relative of mine.


And I don't hit on people, especially over the internet.

[ravenscar]

are you a lumpkin? a joeseph?

[EmbrExcell]

Maybe I'm just relative. Could we be close at least?
I give up on colored font.

I'm a Jezebel, and a saint.

[ravenscar]

well you could be a very distant relative, i do have like 17 different races in me

[katt]

Are either of you Mormons or Thai?

[EmbrExcell]

I'm human, does that count?

[katt]

...It could, but it doesn't narrow down much.
My younger relatives are all either in jail, don't have internet access, don't speak English, or are in the military.

[ravenscar]

no i got irish, german, polish, japanese,pawanee, cherekee, african, and porter rican

[EmbrExcell]

Sounds like your life is exactly what they planned.

[katt]

I have Irish...None of that other stuff though...

And...really...porter rican?

[Buddha]

porter rican lol

[ravenscar]

ya its from my granma, i think i spelled it wrong though

[katt]

You might have spelled it a tiny bit horrendously wrong.

[ravenscar]

puerto rican*

[katt]

Good job .

[ravenscar]

damn spell check said its right

[V for vermicelli]

Back on topic...

The green men religion stated in its holy book "gay sex is cool because it feels good man"
there are different types of fags

fags that have gay sex and make you food and talk camp

and fags that own internet gangs and armour

[ravenscar]

yea im a female ass grabber

[V for vermicelli]

What the hell has that got to do with anything?

[ravenscar]

you called me a fag: Female Ass Grabber

[V for vermicelli]

So you can abreviate any word now can we?

randy anal vagina enema shit cramming ass rapist

[ravenscar]

you lucky i cant think of any thing for your name,ill need to search some words

[nate lightning]

from all ive seen and heard from my extensive net readings of personal accounts, im quite sure that homosexuality is NOT something that one is born with and fixed forever, HOWEVER you CANNOT change it WILLINGLY. it is possible for some people's sex orientation to change on its own, whether they like it or not. genetics which you are born with will predispose you towards homosexuality, as well as conditions/hormones in the mother's womb (most probably this is the major factor) like the multiple big brother effect which has been well researched. (more big brothers you have, more likely you are gay due to mother developing antibodies against Y chromosome). and there have been studies done on hormone levels in mother's womb, when it was out of whack the researchers gave hormones to correct it, the kids had a lower rate of being gay/transgender.

however. i have heard countless first hand stories of transgender people i know that had their orientation changing suddenly and unexpectedly after starting hormone transition. most of them didnt expect it and didnt even WANT it, but some of them who were straight became gay and vice versa. some of them didnt change instead their attraction to the previous got even stronger.

so yah i believe its a mixture of factors of: mothers womb hormone environment while brain is developing + hormone levels later in life + emotions/life situations at a certain time + genetics + personality/beliefs.
and probably openmindedness to accept it inside yourself in the first place.

in conclusion, i believe that homosexuals did NOT CHOOSE to be the way they were, but they MAY CHANGE later in life, although this is not under their control!
and no, generally ex-gay therapies to force you out of it doesnt work, unless they inject you with hormones or something.

meh, just my 2c as a gender "researcher" person-thing.


sorry if i necroposted or whatever, do whatever you want since this isnt my account anyway, no clue whoever it is, as i said in my "introduction thread" earlier.

probably wont be coming back either, see ya lol.

[nate lightning]

also, excuse the double post but... God hates fag enablers!

[EmbrExcell]

The holocaust was exaggerated.

[nate lightning]

It was actually. The number of Jew causalities is over estimated by about 20 mil. in every country, including Germany. =p

[EmbrExcell]

I know. I wasn't just posting to be an ass. Okay, well I was, but still, I knew.

"Then Hitler said 'BAM BLAM BLOWEY KABLOOSH' and all the Jews went dead."

[nate lightning]

Exactly! see. I told you.
lool.
It also wasn't Hitlers idea to kill the Jews, it was basically some paranoid guy that believed in Jewish mysticism and shit.

[EmbrExcell]

Not to mention that Hitler got syphilis from a Jewish hooker. Probably wasn't the best thing for his opinion on Jews.

[nate lightning]

Well it could have been... they are all slaves.... My sex slaves! >=D

... how did we get so far off topic... at least Hitler wasn't a fag enabler.

[EmbrExcell]

So therefore God didn't hate Hitler. See? That's what you get. You're gay? You go to hell. You start a world war and attempt genocide? You get off scott free. God exists my friends, but he's doin' it for the lulz.

[hdeuce]

http://i16.tinypic.com/67nw17k.jpg

HOMOS DEVIL MACHINE!!!!!!!

[skittleskitten]

ok, in the bible God decrees to Moses that a man shall not lay with another man, but this was well before homosexuality (as a disease) ever really existed, back then ppl were just just fucking freaks, they would lay with other men, women, and hell even children, so what this depends on is how u view homosexuality, if u consider it a medical condition that u are inflicted with then u can lay with another man (assuming u even consider urself a man, cuz most good christian gay men dont consider themselves men), if you dont then ur guilty of God's decree and WILL burn in hell

[skittleskitten]

So therefore God didn't hate Hitler. See? That's what you get. You're gay? You go to hell. You start a world war and attempt genocide? You get off scott free. God exists my friends, but he's doin' it for the lulz.

this is a good quote cuz quite frankly God could very well just be using for his own entertainment, so increase the stupid shit and put on a good performance, k thx

[nate lightning]

ok, in the bible God decrees to Moses that a man shall not lay with another man, but this was well before homosexuality (as a disease) ever really existed, back then ppl were just just fucking freaks, they would lay with other men, women, and hell even children, so what this depends on is how u view homosexuality, if u consider it a medical condition that u are inflicted with then u can lay with another man (assuming u even consider urself a man, cuz most good christian gay men dont consider themselves men), if you dont then ur guilty of God's decree and WILL burn in hell

It doesn't depend. Homosexuality isn't an opinion. Homosexuality would be both marrying and/or having sex with someone of the same gender.

Animals can not actually fall in love, it's not a medical condition, it's not a choice, it's not possible. People are just like any other animal but with no basic instinct and no common sense nowadays.
Guys can not fall in love with other guys, Girls can not fall in love with other girls. It's not natural.
That's the thing, it's not natural. Guys try to act like girls, wear makeup and whatever, force themselves into a certain group just to fit in or characterize themselves. That's just how people are now.
If people acted natural, according to their natural instinct, etc. The homosexuality rate would be 0.000 percent, because it just isn't possible for a man to fall in love with another man under natural circumstances. They are doing it for pleasure, and it happens that humans and dolphins are the only things that have sex for pleasure. This is fact.

That is what makes homosexuality, loveless sex because they are being something they're not, and/or are falling in love with a false personality.

To sum it up, people just aren't natural and are so strange compared to normal beings where we make things up just for the sake of being something else a lot of the time.

This is how it ties in with a lot of major religions. The Bible, for example. I will just sum it up- but it is because God made people to reproduce and support life, not to die off because being gay is a teeny trend and sex for pleasure. It's just not natural, it's not how God intended.
A lot of other written teachings view it this way also.

[EmbrExcell]

I mean, when you look at things, the bible isn't even relevant anymore. It's outdated, and isn't fit to deal with today's times. Back in the time it was dated, I'm sure nobody could have even come close to guessing the state of modern society. Nobody chooses to be homosexual, just like you don't choose to be heterosexual. It just happens. The only thing we choose to be is judgmental. Judgmental of others, of their beliefs, or their personality. Honestly, tell me what the fuck is wrong with homosexuality? Why the fuck is it so bad? It's not my thing, but at least I know my god damned place well enough to say that I have absolutely no right to dictate whether or not it's "Right". Nobody here does, so honestly? Shut the fuck up, because at the end of the day the only difference between a christian and a regular man is the fact that the christian thinks that he's going to heaven.

[skittleskitten]

eh, theres more to sucking cock then just animal instinct and theres more to animal instinct then just reproduction, faggots burn in hell cuz their faggots, so when ur 12 yr olds and sitting on on ur computer imagining how good it wud feel to get butt fucked in the asshole and completely withdrawl from the male society and all its glorious violence and debauchery know that God decreed that you dont, so u better pray its medical faggot=o, hell to hard core christians homosexuality isnt acceptable by any means, who cares right... well whatever, and the bible isnt out of date, its a work of pure beauty, dont knock it till u actually read it

[EmbrExcell]

I have read the bible asshole. Try again obnoxious christ-fag.

[skittleskitten]

=o fuck u and screw christ, read the old testament, it pwns

[EmbrExcell]

I FUCKING HAVE!

Besides. New testament god blows. I might as well break out the genocide, apologize and then live in peace after I've had my fill of fun.

[skittleskitten]

eh read the story of Christ's origin on earth again, he came down to commence judgement on Man kind, if he choose yes instead of no, all of the human race would've been meant to suffer eternal damnation

[EmbrExcell]

And this is so much better? Hell is but a small insignificant prick to what I feel left to my own thoughts, smothered by anxiety of the fact that my life is ticking away each second. I might as well kill myself as it were true, don't you think so? You have no right, nor reason to be Christian. You're a pathetic fanatic, standing off to the side like some junkie, waiting for a band to finish performing so he can try and get back stage. There really is nothing more to you than an obnoxious walking arrangement of words, which coincidentally have little more meaning than a premonition of a *****g-As-Fuck heaven.

[skittleskitten]

wutever faggot=o God will find u when u die or u can find him while ur alive, hes pretty lazy though imo, so make a good impression on him when u die and reenter his world

[EmbrExcell]

Re-enter? Apparently I've been there before?

[Palmer]

eh, theres more to sucking cock then just animal instinct and theres more to animal instinct then just reproduction, faggots burn in hell cuz their faggots, so when ur 12 yr olds and sitting on on ur computer imagining how good it wud feel to get butt fucked in the asshole and completely withdrawl from the male society and all its glorious violence and debauchery know that God decreed that you dont, so u better pray its medical faggot=o, hell to hard core christians homosexuality isnt acceptable by any means, who cares right... well whatever, and the bible isnt out of date, its a work of pure beauty, dont knock it till u actually read it

Why are you trying to act like that's not what I said..?
Believe it or not you just agreed with me. lol.

It's not medical it's just that people aren't natural, it is about instinct and reproduction, it's that no one cares about that because people are un-natural, they do it for the pleasure not for reproduction. it's like I was trying to say. And this happens because of faggy trends, how they are raised, falling in love with false personalities when people make themselves act like the opposite member of gender, and forcing themselves into groups to fit in somewhere. It happens more than you think, and it's all out of not being a natural being anymore. Other animals aren't gay, because they focus on instinct and keeping their species alive. People are gay, why? because it's politically correct to accept it and to some it feels good. Which one seems better? staying alive or liking to wake up with a bloody rubber in your ass?

Take away technology and homes like today, social group influences, etc. make people live like any other animal, and we would be next to the [if not, THEE] lowest of the low nowadays.

"so when ur 12 yr olds and sitting on on ur computer imagining how good it wud feel to get butt fucked in the asshole"

Exactly, it's unnatural.

I'm not saying people need to reproduce at this point or anything like that, I said just that, nothing more and nothing less, so don't take me out of context.

BTW the Bible isn't outdated for today's society, it's really no different it's that people are worse now, have no self respect and don't like any guidelines, etc. The Bible outlines basic behavior that should still go with today. I'm not saying everyone should read and follow the Bible either, that is a choice- I'm just saying a lot of it still applies, but no one listens to it, whether it be from a book or a juror...

[skittleskitten]

its a reference to the "spark" of life that is rumored to come from God,=o, so ya reenter

[TotalAnarchyUK]

It's not medical it's just that people aren't natural, it is about instinct and reproduction, it's that no one cares about that because people are un-natural, they do it for the pleasure not for reproduction. it's like I was trying to say. And this happens because of faggy trends, how they are raised, falling in love with false personalities when people make themselves act like the opposite member of gender, and forcing themselves into groups to fit in somewhere. It happens more than you think, and it's all out of not being a natural being anymore. Other animals aren't gay, because they focus on instinct and keeping their species alive. People are gay, why? because it's politically correct to accept it and to some it feels good. Which one seems better? staying alive or liking to wake up with a bloody rubber in your ass?

Take away technology and homes like today, social group influences, etc. make people live like any other animal, and we would be next to the [if not, THEE] lowest of the low nowadays.

Intresting theory, but like a women you are confusing sex and "love". People have a capacity for emotion that is not yet seen in any animal, so comparing human homosexuality to a animals is pretty irrelivent. This is not to say that animals do not experiance emotions but rather that they are almost certainly not on our level.

Homosexuality has been observed in human societies for thousands of years, well before "faggy trends" or todays social stigmas even existed. It has also been observed in animals, so depending on your definitions that makes it natural.

[skittleskitten]

even in animals homosexuality is usually a product of weird enviroments and is widely regarded as completely medical, so go fuck ur self TAUK, if that is even your real name cock faggot dick licking piece of shit homofaggot with balls that droop into ur litle sister's mouth, faggot ass cock licking tip drizzling piece of slime ball trash, get a job and learn some shit, dick -----> vagina or better for the little dicks , dick > vagina, oh and suck some shit u fat piece of worthless ***** trash, like fuck a donkey and waste ur life somewhere else other then on my net, fat dolphin piece of worthless gutter trash, u sucked my dick in a glory hole and i had reach over with my hand and wrap ur neck up cuz u did it wrong, slow and steady wins the race, not jerk off faggot ass cock licking piece of no name sissy bitches, go fuck a dolphin so u can be w ur own fishy kind

[skittleskitten]

btw, u s***l bad, really bad

[EmbrExcell]

But then again, you have to realize that our bodies and minds are based off of an awards system. Do something that (At one point) benefit your survival and you'll feel pleasure. It's not like the mind knows the particular circumstances each time a guy has sexual intercourse. And besides, there's a difference between enjoying sexual pleasure, and actually romantically being attracted to another man. They did a series of tests where they showed both straight and gay porn to about 40 males. 20 of the people were average guys, no homosexual desires, but they weren't against gays in general. The other 20 were hardcore anti-gays. Every single man involuntarily became erect at the sight of the gay porn even though none of them were homosexual.

So the moral of the story is that no matter who or what does it, you can still be sexual aroused, just maybe not socially attracted.

And lol @Skittle's response. Slow and steady wins the race.

[skittleskitten]

that it does cuz this is one long ass race... fuck though seriously they actually got 20 anti-gay guys to sit down and watch gay porn? i think ur lieing cuz most anti-gay guys wont go within 2000000000000000000000000000000 feet of gay porn,=o

[TotalAnarchyUK]

even in animals homosexuality is usually a product of weird enviroments and is widely regarded as completely medical, so go fuck ur self TAUK, if that is even your real name cock faggot dick licking piece of shit homofaggot with balls that droop into ur litle sister's mouth, faggot ass cock licking tip drizzling piece of slime ball trash, get a job and learn some shit, dick -----> vagina or better for the little dicks , dick > vagina, oh and suck some shit u fat piece of worthless ***** trash, like fuck a donkey and waste ur life somewhere else other then on my net, fat dolphin piece of worthless gutter trash, u sucked my dick in a glory hole and i had reach over with my hand and wrap ur neck up cuz u did it wrong, slow and steady wins the race, not jerk off faggot ass cock licking piece of no name sissy bitches, go fuck a dolphin so u can be w ur own fishy kind

Thanks for making me lol. And I loled hard. Fuckin hard.

[skittleskitten]

i r no idiot

[EmbrExcell]

They didn't tell them that they were going to show them gay porn. They just got 40 people willing to do a test.

[skittleskitten]

shuda sued really

[TotalAnarchyUK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk

This man is a real fucking american.

I know this is about gay marraige, but religious objection is the main reason gays cannot marry in the US.