A Man's Word: What's it Worth to You?

[A Deo et Rege]

What happen to the days when a man was only as good as his word; when the Intellectual mattered more than the material? Are those days gone; are we so mixed up in being better than the next person that a man's word has become worthless?


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[exial]

we are at the age where a mans word means less then the words on a piece of paper. We have degenerated into a species that trust computers and data more than each other. We are lost deo..

[deathlord888]

depends on the man, a good friend yes stranger no

[A Deo et Rege]

depends on the man, a good friend yes stranger no

So you have no trust in your fellow man? Well, statistically speaking, you are more likely to be betrayed by a close friend than you are a complete stranger, so why do you put so much trust in your friends?

This "trust" issue goes much deeper than just everyday conversation; we don't even trust another man's money anymore. In today's society a person is more willing to accept a credit card than they are cold hard cash. Why is this? Has the money lost it's value, no, what's happen is that we no longer have any trust in our fellow man. We now seem to need "insurance" to make sure that a man is true to his word. In the end it all comes down to one thing, money; in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar we have trampled over the ethics and morality that were once a corner stone in everyday society. If we cannot trust our fellow man, be it friend or stranger, how can we ever hope to evolve as a society; in stead we will continue to be stuck in this moral and ethical void.

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[AssRot]

I trust people. It is kind of a weakness for me, but if we can't trust each other then what do we have?

[exial]

So you have no trust in your fellow man? Well, statistically speaking, you are more likely to be betrayed by a close friend than you are a complete stranger, so why do you put so much trust in your friends?

This "trust" issue goes much deeper than just everyday conversation; we don't even trust another man's money anymore. In today's society a person is more willing to accept a credit card than they are cold hard cash. Why is this? Has the money lost it's value, no, what's happen is that we no longer have any trust in our fellow man. We now seem to need "insurance" to make sure that a man is true to his word. In the end it all comes down to one thing, money; in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar we have trampled over the ethics and morality that were once a corner stone in everyday society. If we cannot trust our fellow man, be it friend or stranger, how can we ever hope to evolve as a society; in stead we will continue to be stuck in this moral and ethical void.

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We chose to evolve through different means, By chosing to live in modern society we are all products placed in a rat race, you become a slave to money, in order to live. You cant grow your own food, and build your own house somewhere next to a lake before contracters start taxing the land you live on. Fear is what todays society puts in us, As deo said the almight dollar is what fuels us. Its not a natural resource that came from the earth, like gold, silver, or diamonds. Its a man made piece of paper, that turly holds no significance other than it allows you to live in better comfort. I was sitting down smoking a joint one time, and i thought, "we dont even realise it, but we are all chasing pieces of paper." lol.

[a2thae]

I'd trust my life in the hands of 12 people that I am close friends with. I'll trust their word period.

Everyone else however, no.

[exial]

Truth is i broke my word once. Broke it. And when i broke it i felt like... like what did i have in the world of worth other than my word? So can i give my word even if i have broken it in the past?

[JohnLennonII]

With me and my friends there is only one thing.
One warning, and that's it.
If we break trust, we get one warning and then it's over.
No more friendship.
Trust is a hard thing to have sometimes, and until you prove yourself to me, I won't give you the benefit of the doubt in any serious matters.
Unfortunately the mindset is often guilty until proven innocent, or just guilty.
So no, a man's word is nothing to me if he has not proved himself, and his word is nothing if he breaks it.
You can still give your word, but it will mean less than before, and its meaning to you is more important than its meaning to other people.
You have to live with yourself, not me.

[A Deo et Rege]

Truth is i broke my word once. Broke it. And when i broke it i felt like... like what did i have in the world of worth other than my word? So can i give my word even if i have broken it in the past?

That's a good question; however, the "worth" of your word is relative to the company in which it is given. If for instance you are with some friends, and one of them happens to catch you in a lie; it is understandable that your word will lose some of it's worth, but in time it's worth can be regained through trustworthy actions. However, in mixed company, with strangers and friends, if you are caught in a lie things will most often turn out differently. For instance your friends will in time come to trust you again, but the strangers in the group may never come to trust you because if this was their first encounter with you it will most likely stick with them as a label to be associated with you thus ruining all credibility you will ever have with them; they will always second guess you and need proof in order to believe anything of any importance that you might say. Even if they do begin to trust you again there will always be a small sense of doubt stuck in the back of their mind because it is literally impossible to erase all traces doubt even if you have proven yourself time and time again.

**This was a little spur of the moment, but I think it gets my point across.

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[exial]

Yea it did.

[TroubleMaker]

Trust no one and you won't be let down.

[JohnLennonII]

But how far can you get if you trust absolutely no one?
And should I take your word on that, TroubleMaker?

[DollShank]

So you have no trust in your fellow man? Well, statistically speaking, you are more likely to be betrayed by a close friend than you are a complete stranger, so why do you put so much trust in your friends?

This "trust" issue goes much deeper than just everyday conversation; we don't even trust another man's money anymore. In today's society a person is more willing to accept a credit card than they are cold hard cash. Why is this? Has the money lost it's value, no, what's happen is that we no longer have any trust in our fellow man. We now seem to need "insurance" to make sure that a man is true to his word. In the end it all comes down to one thing, money; in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar we have trampled over the ethics and morality that were once a corner stone in everyday society. If we cannot trust our fellow man, be it friend or stranger, how can we ever hope to evolve as a society; in stead we will continue to be stuck in this moral and ethical void.

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If people were more trustworthy than it would be a different story. Society has found a way to make people think it's okay to lie and cheat.

[KusKus]

i trust no one
at the paintball field

[TroubleMaker]

It was just a statement.
Personally I don't trust anyone absolutely, only up to a certain degree. Like trusting resteraunt staff not to spit in my food, the fool that I am...

[JohnLennonII]

Well, if you're a cop or something, I would definitely be worried about the food thing...
I know it was just a statement, but you need to be able to back statements up.
I'm not questioning you, just your comment.
What other examples do you have when you would trust someone?

[methtownblue]

Trust is the one thing that is thrown around by people who are simple and easily corrupted by greed. If people were actually selfless and not have illusions of granduer, then trust would mean something.

[TroubleMaker]

Well the statement would be true if it was possible never to trust someone at all. I mean, if you never put any faith in anything you wouldn't be let down.

People put trust in people all the time. When you cross the road you trust some person who slows down not to speed right up again and whack you.

When you get on a bus you're trusting the driver to take you where you plan to go, and not go off on one.

When you stay in a hotel you trust the staff not to use their keys to come into your room and bumrape you...or whatever.

There're loads of scenarios where you put your trust in people and often don't even realise it. I won't begin on the government...

[JohnLennonII]

I won't begin on the government...
Good idea...

I agree that you shouldn't trust anyone absolutely.
Especially the government.

[methtownblue]

A government is only as good as the people who are in it, who are just as simple-minded as I have stated.

We are talking about trust like in a man's word, not in an unspoken action that can possibly happen.

[JohnLennonII]

Nevertheless, I do not trust absolutely in a man's word that he says he will do this or won't do that.
If I sometimes screw up and let slip my word, I know that other people will too.

[TroubleMaker]

I agree with John, you can never trust another man fully. There is no 100% guarantee that he will keep his word.

Here's a question: do you think you could trust yourself fully?

E.g. I was at an adventure park once and there was this zip line thing where you had to hold on with no harness (not a big drop) and my mate said to me something like 'I don't trust myself to hold on'.

[DollShank]

It's hard to believe something fully when someone says it. Like a promise for change, when he has no intention of changing a thing.

[Underwaterfellow]

I always try and keep my word when I give it, I don't give someone my word unless I know I can keep it in first place. However, I agree that not many people value their word as they once had.

[TroubleMaker]

Lol DollShank, you talking about Obama or a bf? Hahaha

[Underwaterfellow]

Lol DollShank, you talking about Obama or a bf? Hahaha

hahaha nice catch.

[DollShank]

Lol DollShank, you talking about Obama or a bf? Hahaha

lmao.
It could go both ways. But Obama was on my mind.

[methtownblue]

Obama is going to face a lot of flak during his presidency. He was left with a lot of problems that happened during the Bush Administration, like how to end our economic crisis, end our high rates of unemployement and end the conflict in the Middle East.

I do have trust in him, and so do the other two thirds of the US when we voted for him during the elections

[JohnLennonII]

TroubleMaker, of course I don't fully trust myself.
I ain't perfect.
I don't think anyone truly trusts themselves completely.

[A Deo et Rege]

Putting your trust in Government is like playing Russian roulette; you can only pull the trigger so many times before it eventually kills you. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't trust government, but anything with that much power will eventually become corrupt because any government with enough power to ensure your freedom has enough power to take it away. In retrospect, any time you vote for a political figure you are putting your trust in them to do what they stated they would do, while at the same time knowing full well that there is a good chance what they say and what they do will be two entirely different things. It all comes down to having faith in your fellow man to be true to their word; this means that you will be betrayed from time to time, but that's just life and things are constantly changing so what is truth one second may be a lie the next, and that's why we need faith in our fellow man; faith that they will do what they say, or try their best to do so. That's what's wrong with today's society, we have become a cynical society, only seeing the worst in people.


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[methtownblue]

We always focus on the worst things. For instance, the news almost always has a story that ends in tragedy.

[Kasnia]

Man's word used to have meaning to me. Sometimes it still does, it just depends on the person. I used to be incredibly trusting, but being screwed over one too many times has made me wary of what I do and don't believe.

[freetibet]

a man's word is completely worthless, now a woman's word...

[Kasnia]

a man's word is completely worthless, now a woman's word...

I'm surprised that you'd say that. To me, most women are manipulative, especially with their words (but a lot of it is their body/look/sex appeal) and especially towards men. Lol.

[exial]

Thats interesting becuz i never considered a womans word to hold any worth at all. Becuz as Kas said, they are just too damn manipulative, especially when they have a guy in their scope.

[freetibet]

I more just said that to be funny actually...

haha i don't really trust women to be honest. There always seems to be some alterer motive for them, at least in regards to dating. I mean there might be some men who use their bodies to manipulate people, but its not like a common thing.

[Kasnia]

I more just said that to be funny actually...

haha i don't really trust women to be honest. There always seems to be some alterer motive for them, at least in regards to dating. I mean there might be some men who use their bodies to manipulate people, but its not like a common thing.

Men don't use their bodies. They use their words. Women may not be able to be trusted easily, but they usually trust people very easily, thus they fall for a guy extre***y hard when the guy says, "Oh I love you, I'll never hurt you, I promise" even though he just wants a piece of ass. Now THAT is common, or at least it is around here.

[freetibet]

well men and women both manipulate people. I just have more experience being manipulated by women :p

[exial]

Men don't use their bodies. They use their words. Women may not be able to be trusted easily, but they usually trust people very easily, thus they fall for a guy extre***y hard when the guy says, "Oh I love you, I'll never hurt you, I promise" even though he just wants a piece of ass. Now THAT is common, or at least it is around here.

Its also the other way around. By that post you make us men seem like fucking predators. Girls are manipulative becuz sometimes they say things just to catch you in their net. And once your under their power your done for... no hope of rescue..

[Kasnia]

Its also the other way around. By that post you make us men seem like fucking predators. Girls are manipulative becuz sometimes they say things just to catch you in their net. And once your under their power your done for... no hope of rescue..

The reason that I made that post is because that's how a LOT of guys are. I've had to deal with it personally and I've seen a lot of girls I know (family, really close friends, etc) have to go through that with guys too. I never said that girls weren't manipulative. In my opinion, girls are bitches and guys are assholes. That's how it is. And what exactly is meant by "they say things to catch you in their net." Like, trying to catch a guy in a lie or just catch a guy by getting him hooked, reeling him in, controlling him, etc etc?

[exial]

like a fisherman catching a fish.

[windsor357]

People arent worth a fuck anymore.

[exial]

People arent worth a fuck anymore.

comeon dude post something of relevance..

[louix858]

i belive that a mans word has lost its value as a result of people get/asking for insurance of his word. the idea of insuring a mans word makes it sound as thou it is not credable in the first place as they belive it reqire insurance, thus people will take advantage of the area in which there word can not be insured and they have the capasity to abuse somthing they belive they would not normaly have the abilaty to abuse and thus they explot it when ever they get a chance. as a reasult of this there is littel trust in a mans word so more people requst insurance of it, this prosses is just going to keep repeating its self time arfter time untill there will be no trust what so ever in anyone!

this is my peosonal view of this topic, i my self am much to trusting and people have and will use this agenst me now i have been hurt badly by people i considered good frends and as a reasult i am less trusting of new ones, due to this also am a syinic at the age of 16.

[rimmellondon27]

u just cant trust noone anymore but i try to keep my word as much as possible somtimes if the truth hurts or could hurt me like git me in trouble ill lie ,,lie to friends family just cuz somthings are better left unsaid or extended into a lie but i trust noone not even my friends or family or hubbie i was raised not to trusst nobody and the ppl who raised me like family..duh they betrayed me also my two only friends on this planet hav and also my fuckin hubbie so whatever thats my input

[alucard621]

In all honesty, I don't really trust anyone. especially not my family. I know i can entrust certain information to certain people, but I'm more willing to entrust my dark secrets to complete strangers than a close friend.



As for me, I tell no lies, for i hate liars, and that would make me just another hypocritical asshole, but I have no limits when it comes to deceiving others.
You have my word on that.

[Delano Gutierre]

no one's word is really law anymore. everything has to be contracted now. i admit, even i have grown cynical and distrusting of other people.

[skull]

If a man is a coward and you have power, he will keep his word to the best of his abilities. If he has more power and no honor, he wont if it benefits him. I do because I have honor, but I also have low morals.

[exial]

No such thing as honour anymore.

[Xon]

Not true exial...

I keep my word... Have always tried. But then again, I don't give it out that easy. But if I say, I will do something, I will do it.

Honor still exists, but it is a rare thing... Something that should be valued. My best friends, have honor. One of the reason they are my friends...

I believe you have honor, although you won't admit it.

[hdeuce]

The key to this all goes back to the same system of morality, some people are raised with it some without it, some with a degree of it. It changes depending on the scenario, but a man who was raised to believe that someones word is his value, is going to be trustworthy when he gives his word. I ALWAYS keep my word. However, I dont give it often, and i will lie and cheat and steal all day. You cant trust me, unless i tell you you can, at that point I'm the most trustworthy guy on the planet.

[Xon]

Yes, morals is the key...

[exial]

Honor still exists, but it is a rare thing... Something that should be valued

I guess that is true. To say that such a thing as honour doesnt exist is naive. I just see that the word no longer holds substance. Doesnt mean all together that it is no longer in effect just that in presesnt day society it is definatly lacking.

[Xon]

Now... that is true...

[exial]

Define True

[Xon]

not false....

[exial]

This group died.

[exial]

Deo come back dude!

[exial]

Fuck that dude isnt coming back...

[Xon]

Never man....

[hdeuce]

Why did Deo leave anyway? He was here for a while when i first got here. Where'd he go to?

[Xon]

Who knows...? I don't.

[exial]

Eh. So is up to u to keep this group alive. No biggy.

[Xon]

Me? Hell no...

[exial]

Im sorry dude but i dont choose...

[Xon]

wait, then how do you know I am chosen?

[exial]

You see... i meant to say us, but it happened to say u. Thats how i know.

[Xon]

wtf? hell no... Us, sure... Me... nooooo............

[exial]

Why not ?

[Xon]

Why would I?

I might...

[exial]

I think you want to.

[Xon]

Damn you exial... stop appealing to my need to improve and grow things...

I am not promising anything yet...

[exial]

I simply believe you have the potential.

[Xon]

This coming from the man who insulted me by saying I was a hypocrite?

[exial]

Having potential and being a hypocrite are 2 different things completely. I think its only natural for you guys to feel a bit slighted in your whole power struggle. But after hundreds of years of white taking advantage over other races i think its time for you guys to finally realise that you are all a bunch of power hungry hypocrites who believe your race is above all else. Thats why you all fear obama :D

[Xon]

One, that is wrong. Whites have not had hundreds of years of power dominance. Only in certain places. Go to Africa where the black warlords have power... Completely different. Except the fact, that there, or anywhere else in the world where a non white person is in charge is that in that place, they don't give white's any more freedom than we gave black two hundred years ago. So stop acting like whites are an oppressive horrible race. For the entire length of man's history, whether you believe in evolution or creationism, Men have been enslaved by others. Doesn't matter about color or race. So honestly, get off your high horse about being equal or whatever you believe in.

[exial]

Understand this. When i am speaking from a theoretical point of view about white and black oppression i am speaking in my lifetime. I dont dwell too much in the past. We know the past mistakes the white man did to the black. And of course their will be a enmity between the two races because of this. And today a white man is led to believe his race is the most civilized in the civilization trend. This is done by slowly manipulating the public through broadcasting to see the way a white man sees. So yes it is human nature to seek power over others if this refers to race, economy, or culture. But from what i have seen in life i can already tell that a good portion of every race is racist, due to all the differences. I would have had that same black man inferior to white mentality if i was a black male in LA. But because i have the two bloods coursing through my veins i have seen the quiet hostility beneath the smiles, i can see the differences blind to them who are of one race. It is not obviously visible but you can see how the propaganda down plays black people in US. And of course it affects the public, and actually lays down the foundation on how people should act and think. We have both heard it, control through propaganda. It definatly plays a big part in the animosity between black and white. Im not saying their is more racist white people than black only that between the two their is an old animosity and a racial power struggle. And wether i believe in equality or not has to do with my upbringing. No high horse for me, that would just contradict the ideal i stand by. And from what i have read you obviously dont believe in equality and because of this belief men have been able to enslave others.

[Xon]

You are right, I don't believe in equality, because some men, are inferior to others.

That is truth and you can not deny it. Not everyone has an IQ of 200. Not everyone can build a b*****, even if they had all the training. There exists a difference in everyone. Some people are smarter then others. Some or harder working. And honestly, I don't give a rats ass...

[TotalAnarchyUK]

People should not be treat differently because of their race. White people have had a long and bloody history of slavery and violence towards people of other races.

[hdeuce]

Ill help keep it alive. :D

[Xon]

Sure sure....

[TheGraveDigger]

Just how the hell did we get SOooo off topic here, this thread was supposed to be about wether a man's word is good or not anymore was it not? Somehow we have slipped into the murky waters of race related propeganda and Ethnical Politics.
Getting back on topic, I believe that if you are Man enough to give your word to someone for whatever reason. You should also be Man enough to keep your word to that person. Like most other people here I dont just give my word willy nilly to anyone. I have to respect the person in question enough in the first place to give them a promise. Never mind keep it.... that's a promise !

[exial]

There exists a difference in everyone. Some people are smarter then others. Some or harder working.

Of course. But that doesnt make the president of the united states more important then the farmer tending his crops. This hierarchy humanity has erected is a form of external power people extend towards their fellow man in the intention of ammassing power to themselves. That does not make the man who has a higher social standing more important than the man who doesnt. We are all equal in gods eyes it states in the holy books, yet you claim to be christian and dont see the equality intended for everyone.

People should not be treat differently because of their race. White people have had a long and bloody history of slavery and violence towards people of other races.

That is my belief also. That does not mean all white men are bad in heart only that if you look back you see the genocide, enslavement, and misery caused by some of the leading white men in history. It is human nature to make mistakes, and to learn from them. I dont expect you to accept or understand my way of thinking Xon, as im sure you dont expect me to understand yours. I admit it was wrong of me to call you a hypocrit. My apologys.

[Xon]

Of course. But that doesnt make the president of the united states more important then the farmer tending his crops. This hierarchy humanity has erected is a form of external power people extend towards their fellow man in the intention of ammassing power to themselves. That does not make the man who has a higher social standing more important than the man who doesnt. We are all equal in gods eyes it states in the holy books, yet you claim to be christian and dont see the equality intended for everyone.


Actually in the Bible it states, "Jacob hath I loved, and Aesop I have hated" That is not equality. God doesn't love everyone equal. He loves Christians and hates sinners. If you wish to debate this, I suggest a new thread as it surely will be a hot topic.


That is my belief also. That does not mean all white men are bad in heart only that if you look back you see the genocide, enslavement, and misery caused by some of the leading white men in history. It is human nature to make mistakes, and to learn from them. I dont expect you to accept or understand my way of thinking Xon, as im sure you dont expect me to understand yours. I admit it was wrong of me to call you a hypocrit. My apologys.

exial, I may never understand you. But I know that you must always look back into history. You look back two hundred years, I look back 6000 years. The bigger picture is more important to me than the here little picture.

Thank you for the apology, and I accept. I hope this shall not be rift in our relationship.

[exial]

Haha no rift. Its only normal for 2 different people to have different views. I treasure my individuality as im sure you do yours. Let our beliefs shape who we become.

[Xon]

I agree... But, if you wish to continue to debate this or talk about it... I have no qualms with that...

[exial]

Haha neither do i. It just seems that we have reached a understanding on the topic. Unless you wish to elaborate some more?

[Xon]

I am good personally...

[exial]

Same. Leave it at that then.

[Xon]

Will do.....

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Actually in the Bible it states, "Jacob hath I loved, and Aesop I have hated" That is not equality. God doesn't love everyone equal. He loves Christians and hates sinners. If you wish to debate this, I suggest a new thread as it surely will be a hot topic.

The bible is not an excuse for treating people without equality

[Xon]

I never said it was... exial was just trying to state that the bible says that gods loves everyone... It doesn't... Just pointing that out...

[exial]

Maybe you should make a thread Xon.

[Xon]

Ah... maybe....

[exial]

But religion is a dead end..

[Xon]

Only for the closed minded..

[exial]

I guess your right. The discussion will never end though. Their is so many contradictions in the bible itself we wouldnt get anywhere.

[Xon]

I know ...