Agnostics are pussies

[Dr_gonzo33]

i hate "agnostics" why dont you just grow a pair and just deny the possibility of a ultimate being instead of going half way and saying oh there might be a god but then again there might not be

[Cake]

Fuck you and your "pie"!!!!!!!!!!!!

[numerator-91]

i hate "agnostics" why dont you just grow a pair and just deny the possibility of a ultimate being instead of going half way and saying oh there might be a god but then again there might not be

So they can't accept the possibility of an ultimate being?

[a2thae]

Agnostic is being more open minded than either atheist, or religious.

[Cake]

Exactly. you just got pwned.

[freetibet]

ya I think religion is the right choice... but agnosticism are way more logical than atheism.

I mean saying there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of there being anything spiritual is a bit much. At least agnostics keep an open mind about the possibility.

[a2thae]

ya I think religion is the right choice... but agnosticism are way more logical than atheism.

I mean saying there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of there being anything spiritual is a bit much. At least agnostics keep an open mind about the possibility.

Fuck off, at least agnostic understand that there is a very SLIM possibility of god...im not even going to get started...

[crazyassmetalhead]

i don't think it matters, life is still shitty and pointless. and if there is a god that gave you free will (like the bible says) then why do you have the obligation to worship it?

[Cake]

Well......life sucks....but its not all bad...theres drugs...and alcohol....and pussy.....and....money!

[freetibet]

Fuck off, at least agnostic understand that there is a very SLIM possibility of god...im not even going to get started...

You realize I was agreeing with you right?

lol

[MissTruant]

i hate "agnostics" why dont you just grow a pair and just deny the possibility of a ultimate being instead of going half way and saying oh there might be a god but then again there might not be

I would watch what you say. Are you an atheist? Or do you follow a religion? I am agnostic, and I take offense. So I hate you too for hating me.

So, instead of being a mindless racehorse with blinders attached to your thick skull why don't you strap on the balls, use your brain. Agnostics don't deny either possibility, and it really is a logical way of viewing the "higher power" or "supreme being" or whatever you choose to call it. It's logical; agnostics are not naive enough to completely deny (cause you can't prove it or say 100% its real - always a possibility), and are not naive enough to believe (is God really going to come back and reinact the revelations?). We are undecided, because it's a touchy topic.

So, I think it's a safe bet to call you a tad bit naive.

[deathlord888]

you are a dumb ass, because people are undecided on something that makes them pussies? lets extend this bitch. since we are all made up of quanta (smallest packets of energy available) and we can not tell were they are, so basically there is a chance of were they could be therefore being undecided. and since we are all just a collection of quanta we are all really in multiple places so we are all undecided... so you my friend are a pussy as well

[MissTruant]

Mmm agreed. Thank you Mike. I even learned something with that post. :D

[deathlord888]

Mmm agreed. Thank you Mike. I even learned something with that post. :D

any time cailli :D

[Envilid]

Uh oh, I think a religious war is about to go down.

[crazyassmetalhead]

no that's for the other thread, the "religious debate thread"

[katt]

i don't think it matters, life is still shitty and pointless. and if there is a god that gave you free will (like the bible says) then why do you have the obligation to worship it?

There are a lot of religions aside from Christianity, with gods with quite different purposes. Also, those "gods" that have left behind books for us all tend to have put rules in them, basically not giving those who believe in that god and it's holiness and whatnot the free will not to worship that god.

[MissTruant]

There are a lot of religions aside from Christianity, with gods with quite different purposes. Also, those "gods" that have left behind books for us all tend to have put rules in them, basically not giving those who believe in that god and it's holiness and whatnot the free will not to worship that god.

Okay, so what exactly was your point in that post? Cause I read it and it made little sense, at all.

And take it to the religious debate thread, as already stated... this is just about flaming agnostics... and the agnostics flaming back :p

[WeirdD]

I like how badly the OP just got fucking thrashed, by everyone rofl
I'm agnostic too, im not even gona bother rip him a new one though since everyone else already has haha

tardbucket

[numerator-91]

Has anyone noticed that he has told agnostics to deny the possibility of a higher power. He never gave the option to worship and show faith.

He be a raging hypocrite (wow that word has been thrown around alot this last week)

[Cake]

I am agnostic.....i kinda believe maybe all religions are somewhat right....cuz if "God" really "loves" us then why would he give us the right to make religion and not follow him if he is there? why doesnt he just say hey im here worship me.........idk....im drunk....so im just sayin w/e comes to mind....jesus was a terrorist.....

[crazyassmetalhead]

why the fuck is the retarded ass way i type starting to catch on?

using.......
to connect a string of rambling thoughts and shit......... is my thing

motherfuckas

[katt]

I really don't think dots are restricted to use by one person...

[crazyassmetalhead]

no just they way in which they are used........and the extent by which they are used.......and who are you anyway?

[numerator-91]

Clearly that is katt. Correct me if I'm mistaken

[deathlord888]

you are a dumb ass, because people are undecided on something that makes them pussies? lets extend this bitch. since we are all made up of quanta (smallest packets of energy available) and we can not tell were they are, so basically there is a chance of were they could be therefore being undecided. and since we are all just a collection of quanta we are all really in multiple places so we are all undecided... so you my friend are a pussy as well

wow more people should comment this i thought it was one of my highlight posts

[Cake]

I have always........used........this......so......go.... .fuck....yo.....couch.......nigga

[crazyassmetalhead]

now that just looks retarded...

just for that you're gonna get grueso***y killed again in the greg the gnome story if anyone ever gets around to posting on that again. i have to wait for some other people to write some shit on that.

[katt]

I'm God, who did you think I was?

[crazyassmetalhead]

there is no god silly goose.

[katt]

And now I'm a goose...what is this world coming to?

[crazyassmetalhead]

idolitry......probably spelled that wrong.

o well.


fuck it.

[Dr_gonzo33]

I would watch what you say. Are you an atheist? Or do you follow a religion? I am agnostic, and I take offense. So I hate you too for hating me.

So, instead of being a mindless racehorse with blinders attached to your thick skull why don't you strap on the balls, use your brain. Agnostics don't deny either possibility, and it really is a logical way of viewing the "higher power" or "supreme being" or whatever you choose to call it. It's logical; agnostics are not naive enough to completely deny (cause you can't prove it or say 100% its real - always a possibility), and are not naive enough to believe (is God really going to come back and reinact the revelations?). We are undecided, because it's a touchy topic.

So, I think it's a safe bet to call you a tad bit naive.

whatever. its garbage if you dont doubt a god then why dont you just believe that then its not like your going to be punished if your wrong??? cuz really i think that "agnostics" say they dont think there is a god cuz its cool, another way to rebel. its stupid to just sit there with one foot in the door and one out, and i feel that what i am is irrelevant it would have no influence on my opinion i have always that agnosticism is asinine. and i guess it is a logical way to view a higheer being if your a pussy!

[deathlord888]

whatever. its garbage if you dont doubt a god then why dont you just believe that then its not like your going to be punished if your wrong??? cuz really i think that "agnostics" say they dont think there is a god cuz its cool, another way to rebel. its stupid to just sit there with one foot in the door and one out, and i feel that what i am is irrelevant it would have no influence on my opinion i have always that agnosticism is asinine. and i guess it is a logical way to view a higheer being if your a pussy!

obviously you just skipped my post because you knew i was correct, dumb ass

you are a dumb ass, because people are undecided on something that makes them pussies? lets extend this bitch. since we are all made up of quanta (smallest packets of energy available) and we can not tell were they are, so basically there is a chance of were they could be therefore being undecided. and since we are all just a collection of quanta we are all really in multiple places so we are all undecided... so you my friend are a pussy as well

[Dr_gonzo33]

Has anyone noticed that he has told agnostics to deny the possibility of a higher power. He never gave the option to worship and show faith.

He be a raging hypocrite (wow that word has been thrown around alot this last week)

duh it can go either way, i didnt feel it was necessary to type it, i thought maybe some of you could figure that out and how the hell does that make me a hypocrite?

[Dr_gonzo33]

obviously you just skipped my post because you knew i was correct, dumb ass

agnosticism is not being undecided jack ass, if your undecided your undecided, agnostics are just scared to say that their isnt a god cuz what if there is one? and of course its possible that there is a god, on the contrary it is also possible that there isnt a god thats basically agnosticism right there, that is just a thought not a creed or religion, just a thought and so what if its logical, religion isnt about logic its about faith. and reason i skipped your post is because i diont see how the fuck that is relevent to our decisions of faith.

[freetibet]

duh it can go either way, i didnt feel it was necessary to type it, i thought maybe some of you could figure that out and how the hell does that make me a hypocrite?

well wouldn't you rather people be agnostic than religious?

and numerator throws that word around alot... I usually just ignore such comments

[pkirk159]

i agree with dr.gonzo on that if you are agnostic you should choose you shouldnt stand in the middle and wait to see what is right and jump on the winning side i dont believe that people should be judged or called names whitch started this thread of to a bad start to begin with. i can see being agnostic while you look for the correct religon that suits you but definatly not as a life choice.

[freetibet]

i agree with dr.gonzo on that if you are agnostic you should choose you shouldnt stand in the middle and wait to see what is right and jump on the winning side i dont believe that people should be judged or called names whitch started this thread of to a bad start to begin with. i can see being agnostic while you look for the correct religon that suits you but definatly not as a life choice.

being agnostic is a choice... Its not like its a war and there are only atheists and religious people. It's like saying people should republicans or democrats because everything else is just waiting to see what happens.

[Dr_gonzo33]

being agnostic is a choice... Its not like its a war and there are only atheists and religious people. It's like saying people should republicans or democrats because everything else is just waiting to see what happens.i agree with dr.gonzo on that if you are agnostic you should choose you shouldnt stand in the middle and wait to see what is right and jump on the winning side i dont believe that people should be judged or called names whitch started this thread of to a bad start to begin with. i can see being agnostic while you look for the correct religon that suits you but definatly not as a life choice.
well wouldn't you rather people be agnostic than religious?

and numerator throws that word around alot... I usually just ignore such comments

okay, i'd rather have people be atheist or religious i could carless either way but agnostics piss me off so do people go around saying "im an anarchist."
also i didnt literally mean they are pussies i meant it in like a make up your mind, or grow some balls kinda way, like it doesnt make sense to me if you think it is possile for a god to exist then just believe that seems pointless to then say but he probably doesnt... catch my drift? and i'd have to disagree with you on the rep. and dem. thing, unless people would say shit like yeah im voting republican and democratic at the same time................ a durrrrr

[deathlord888]

agnosticism is not being undecided jack ass, if your undecided your undecided, agnostics are just scared to say that their isnt a god cuz what if there is one? and of course its possible that there is a god, on the contrary it is also possible that there isnt a god thats basically agnosticism right there, that is just a thought not a creed or religion, just a thought and so what if its logical, religion isnt about logic its about faith. and reason i skipped your post is because i diont see how the fuck that is relevent to our decisions of faith.

define:agnostic
uncertain of all claims to knowledge
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

define:undecided
not yet having made a commitment; "undecided voters"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


they are the same retard, also you did not agrue my main point because you called yourself a pussy bitch

[deathlord888]

and also it is like agreeing with some republican ideas and some liberal ideas, you do not know enough to positively cast your vote, so you are undecided when it comes to voting. and this transfers directly to this, they are undecided what they feel is true seeing as how there are arguements backing both up.

[MissTruant]

Why even bother trying to reason or debate with a twat who can't keep his opinions and beliefs the same with every post? You, Dr_gonzo33, are making a complete jackass of yourself. I would just like to say congrats, none of anything you have just said had any real bearing on this discussion.

[Dr_gonzo33]

define:agnostic
uncertain of all claims to knowledge
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

define:undecided
not yet having made a commitment; "undecided voters"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


they are the same retard, also you did not agrue my main point because you called yourself a pussy bitch

wrong definition Agnostic: a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

[VCTR]

God Man Does exist HIM immortality eternal powers everlasting from the first star to the last which is first in all that BE power to the two thumbed Fist

[VCTR]

but silence is golden

[Dr_gonzo33]

Why even bother trying to reason or debate with a twat who can't keep his opinions and beliefs the same with every post? You, Dr_gonzo33, are making a complete jackass of yourself. I would just like to say congrats, none of anything you have just said had any real bearing on this discussion.

oh really well how bout you enlighten me then?

[deathlord888]

WE HAVE RETARD, you completely dodge posts that prove you wrong

[Dr_gonzo33]

WE HAVE RETARD, you completely dodge posts that prove you wrong

okay shut the fuck up i dodge your shit deliberatly cuz i always end up telling you the same fucking thing

[WeirdD]

i think you're an idiot and just looking to stir shit up

in my opinion, you're the idiot for a) caring what other people care, it's our business and we don't parade it around, so why do you even care? maybe you should grow up and stop being immature, unless of course that is beyond you.

b) making choice, there is NO proof that god exists, and NO proof that he doesn't exist, logically, why would i base my decision when no proof exists for either of the options you provide, so I simply say "im undecided, i think there isn't sufficient proof for me to make such a huge decision" if thats too much for your feeble little mind to grasp, then i pity you

in conlusion, stop being ignorant and grow up.

[deathlord888]

okay shut the fuck up i dodge your shit deliberatly cuz i always end up telling you the same fucking thing

no you dodge it because you know i am write, prove what i said is wrong. the physics example OR the politics example.. i just used your words and ideas against you, now blow me bitch

[Dr_gonzo33]

i think you're a fucking idiot and just looking to stir shit up

in my opinion, you're the idiot for a) caring what other people care, it's our business and we don't parade it around, so why do you even care? maybe you should grow up and stop being immature, unless of course that is beyond you.

b) making choice, there is NO proof that god exists, and NO proof that he doesn't exist, logically, why would i base my decision when no proof exists for either of the options you provide, so I simply say "im undecided, i think there isn't sufficient proof for me to make such a huge decision" if thats too much for your feeble little mind to grasp, then i pity you

in conlusion, stop being ignorant and grow up.

goddamn....... being undecided and agnosticism are not the same!!! how can i make that more clear? and second religion isnt suppose to be bassed off of proof its based on faith!!! your not suppose to know, its whether or not you can believe something even if there seems to be evidence against it. answer me this question, why does it matter if your right? do ya get a little medal at the end of your life?

[Dr_gonzo33]

no you dodge it because you know i am write, prove what i said is wrong. the physics example OR the politics example.. i just used your words and ideas against you, now blow me bitch

okay fine, the physics thing is stupid cuz i dont think that determines what we choose to and not believe. thats just what we are made up of so what if it cant be tied down to any one location. and the politics thing is an alright metaphor but i still dont like it, yes politics and religion go hand and hand, but choosing what you are is a little different, for politics you vote for the side that you feel best represents you right? you hear their policies and what they plan to do and what not, if your undecided you dont vote right, but that just makes you undecided your not a "political agnostic" and last time i checked you cant vote for two different canidates at the same time theres no special group for that either so there

[WeirdD]

ag⋅nos⋅tic   
–noun
1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

uhh, maybe you should learn the proper definition of a temr before you throw it around and make accusations and cause huge drama over shit you don't even know.

i dont know what the fuck you thought agnostics believed, but all it means is that we arent making a decision because we lack the experience and the knowledge to make the proper one, while some people who just dont give a fuck will also say they are agnostic, the true definition.

and im sorry, but i would rather not just leap blindly into faith, believing in good because a 2000 year old book tells me too.

if i found a book that detailed how you could fly by simply wishing yourself to grow wings, i wouldnt go and jump off a cliff to see if it would work.

[Leezpo]

All those who do not follow god's wishes are what you refer to as "pussies".

-Faithful Leezpo

[Dr_gonzo33]

All those who do not follow god's wishes are what you refer to as "pussies".

-Faithful Leezpo

no dip shit, just if their standing in the door way, and im really high right now so fuck this shit

[AlbertWesker]

Fuck you and your "pie"!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why dis pie? Pie is delicious.

[Dr_gonzo33]

pie is the shit no doubt

[Emotions_Wasted]

I Am a proud athiest and think all agnostics are trying to do is "play it safe" and not offend a "supreme being" they need to get the hell over it and pick a side. It does'nt matter if I'm right or wrong at least I have the integrity to make a simple choice such as this.

[a2thae]

What the fuck is wrong with being openminded?

[Dr_gonzo33]

I Am a proud athiest and think all agnostics are trying to do is "play it safe" and not offend a "supreme being" they need to get the hell over it and pick a side. It does'nt matter if I'm right or wrong at least I have the integrity to make a simple choice such as this.

thank you thats what im trying to fucking say

[Dr_gonzo33]

What the fuck is wrong with being openminded?

just because you believe in something doesnt make you closed minded

[WeirdD]

it does when you call bullshit in other peoples beliefs or on other people's opinions

[Dr_gonzo33]

i can say whats stupid or not theres nothing closed minded about that

[WeirdD]

there is nothing "stupid or "smart" about this topic though, its a simple question of opinion and personal beliefs based from PERSONAL life experiences, PERSONAL choices and PERSONAL opinions

[Dr_gonzo33]

yeah what i dont understand though is why people put that much thought into it who cares if your right or wrong

[frankenstein]

Absurd, you do realize the majority of scientists are agnostic. I consider myself an atheist because I completely believe all the religious texts are wrong. I will not say I know for sure the Big Bang is correct nor will I say their definitely is not an intelligent force that created the universe. As for your pointless crap, about who cares if your right its all the same when your dead, I prefer to live intelligent not some idiot blindly just believing or some moron to dumb to think about it just wants to say their is no god to be on the outside. I like lights, television and, computers technological advances that came from people who thought, did not just choose a side but looked and determined reality for themselves.

you are a dumb ass, because people are undecided on something that makes them pussies? lets extend this bitch. since we are all made up of quanta (smallest packets of energy available) and we can not tell were they are, so basically there is a chance of were they could be therefore being undecided. and since we are all just a collection of quanta we are all really in multiple places so we are all undecided... so you my friend are a pussy as well

Quanta is not little packets of energy! Quanta is a form of measurement of quantum mechanics. particles are held together by strong, weak, and electromagnetic fundamental forces. All those details are pointless because your physical entity has nothing to do with the realm of thought.

However the idea that the beginning is just the beginning and their was no entity is the one i find more logical. Im never going to say I know for sure because I know that which I do not know and im glad I am not stupid enough to think I just know.

[Dr_gonzo33]

Absurd, you do realize the majority of scientists are agnostic. I consider myself an atheist because I completely believe all the religious texts are wrong. I will not say I know for sure the Big Bang is correct nor will I say their definitely is not an intelligent force that created the universe. As for your pointless crap, about who cares if your right its all the same when your dead, I prefer to live intelligent not some idiot blindly just believing or some moron to dumb to think about it just wants to say their is no god to be on the outside. I like lights, television and, computers technological advances that came from people who thought, did not just choose a side but looked and determined reality for themselves.



Quanta is not little packets of energy! Quanta is a form of measurement of quantum mechanics. particles are held together by strong, weak, and electromagnetic fundamental forces. All those details are pointless because your physical entity has nothing to do with the realm of thought.

However the idea that the beginning is just the beginning and their was no entity is the one i find more logical. Im never going to say I know for sure because I know that which I do not know and im glad I am not stupid enough to think I just know.

thats what i was saying, about his physics thing and i think what he's thinking of are electrons or neutrons i remember learning something about them but physics was never my thing

[DoG MikkyW]

I generally don't read any of these posts, so if what I am saying makes no sense, then go ahead.

First of all, I don't know what I am. I thought agnostic meant you know something is out there, but you just don't know what.

I do not know whether or not something is out there, but I refuse to take either side. I am on the side of reason. And generally, no offense, but atheists make more sense rationally than those who believe in a religion. Why? Because atheists tend to stick to science, and for some strange reason, religious people state all their proofs are in a book made by men. I have met some pretty strong religious arguments before, ( a few of which I had no response to, such as how the earth came into being ), and not one time in any of the difficult arguments, did the arguer mention their religious book. Because, books are written by men. Let's pretend for a second, that the bible doesn't exist. Not that it isn't true, but that it doesn't exist. Now, does that make god non-existent? No. That would be mentally retarded. Many of the good arguments get on the side of disproving science. Such as, do we exist? And, this is absolutely impossible to win. Is it possible to prove whether or not we exist?

[Dr_gonzo33]

what are you talking about? but if you look at it there is tons and tons of proof disprovong a supreme being, but some people just like to have faith in something,but then again you probably have seen people arguing agaisnt science, in that case they are stupid, but i think its nice to believe thats there's something greater than us out there, instead of thinking that theres nothing more to life. im not ripping on atheists thats just my view

[katt]

what are you talking about? but if you look at it there is tons and tons of proof disprovong a supreme being, but some people just like to have faith in something, and i think its nice to believe thats there's something greater than us out there, instead of thinking that theres nothing more to life. im not ripping on atheists thats just my view

I agree with you on thinking it would be quite nice to believe that there was some all-powerful being, but a lot of atheists are atheists because they just can't bring themselves to believe that, not because they hate the idea of a god/religion, or any of that stuff. I personally wish I could have some type of faith, but, no matter how interesting I can find a religion, in my mind, none are logical enough to actually follow. It's kind of depressing to have my kind of mentality, that, after you die, no matter how good a person you were or whatever, your body just decays and is eaten by worms. It would be a lot nicer to think there is somewhere else to go after death, or someone you meet after death to explain it all...

[freetibet]

I agree with you on thinking it would be quite nice to believe that there was some all-powerful being, but a lot of atheists are atheists because they just can't bring themselves to believe that, nott because hey hate the idea of a god, or any of that stuff. I personally wish I could have some type of faith, but, no matter how interesting I can find a religion, in my mind, none are logical enough to actually follow.

your 15 years old... and your saying that no religion in the whole world is logical enough for you to follow? I think somebody else wanted you to be an atheist, so you became one.

maybe if you approached it as more than just 'interesting' you wouldn't have such a hard time giving it a chance.

[katt]

your 15 years old... and your saying that no religion in the whole world is logical enough for you to follow? I think somebody else wanted you to be an atheist, so you became one.

maybe if you approached it as more than just 'interesting' you wouldn't have such a hard time giving it a chance.

I take back my previous statement. I find Buddhism pretty reasonable.

As far as somebody wanting me to be an atheist, that's not true in the slightest. Half of my family is Mormon, and the other half is Buddhist, and I have friends that regularly attent church, and another friend who's father is a Zen monk. My being atheist is a personal choice, and it, as with most of my decisions is open to change, should I find something that makes more sense.

And, finally, what does my age have to do with it?

[freetibet]

because at 15 years old its very very unlikely you've given very many religions a chance.

at that young of age your most likely just responding to what people want you to believe, rather than developing your own opinion of the spiritual from scratch.

[katt]

How would you recommend I give other religions a chance?

[freetibet]

by keeping an open mind.

aka not being atheist

[katt]

I have a relatively open mind, compared to a lot of religious people. I don't try to convert others, I don't go and tell them they're wrong, I don't say that they should agree with me.

What would you prefer atheists to be, if not total non-believers?

[ramalamafafafa]

by keeping an open mind.

aka not being atheist

Being an Atheist ensures open mindedness. As opposed to the "Kill the non-believers" attitude of the Church.

[katt]

But, being an atheist doesn't make me open minded and religious, so it's not allowed.

[ramalamafafafa]

But, being an atheist doesn't make me open minded and religious, so it's not allowed.

Why it's an affront to religion (and therefore openmindedness) itself!

[katt]

Oh well...I guess I'll just go and be a satanist instead. You know, religious...

[frankenstein]

by the time i was 15 i had read the book of mormon the bible and knew allot about buddhism because i was fascinated with monks, age dont mean shit. oh tho back then i did not have any real belief i was told i was christian so thats what i was never thought about weather i believed in the teachings tell i was older.

[DoG MikkyW]

Ok, a few things. Some guy said there is evidence against a supreme being. How so?

Next, someone said, I believe it was ramal, that being atheist ensures open-mindedness, but the problem is, is that with the wrong reasons, atheists can be some of the most close-minded people you will ever meet.

[Dr_gonzo33]

your 15 years old... and your saying that no religion in the whole world is logical enough for you to follow? I think somebody else wanted you to be an atheist, so you became one.

maybe if you approached it as more than just 'interesting' you wouldn't have such a hard time giving it a chance.

as frankenstein said age doesnt mean shit. i knew alot about the semetic islam, christianity, and judaism when i was 14, i also took a huge interest in politics when i was 9 so yeah you can shut up

[freetibet]

I have a relatively open mind, compared to a lot of religious people. I don't try to convert others, I don't go and tell them they're wrong, I don't say that they should agree with me.

What would you prefer atheists to be, if not total non-believers?

Ya there are close minded religious people, but they don't assume there is no spiritual at all. They just think they found the 'right' religion.

I think agnosticism would be a much more open minded stance on religion than atheism. That way you at least keep an open minded to there being something greater than yourself at work.

as frankenstein said age doesnt mean shit. i knew alot about the semetic islam, christianity, and judaism when i was 14, i also took a huge interest in politics when i was 9 so yeah you can shut up

Did i piss off all the 15-16 year old atheists? lol

No 9yr old with a social life takes a 'huge interest' in politics. Even if you did, that doesn't mean you approached it intelligently. You probably just wanted to be like mommy and daddy so you talked about how much bush sucks :p

Giving a religion a chance takes time. You can't just read a few books about christianity, islam, and judaism and say you know there is no spiritual in the entire world.

[Zamato Elite]

Agnostics don't exist.

[freetibet]

You don't believe in agnostics? :D

[Zamato Elite]

You don't believe in agnostics? :D

no, agnostics don't exist because of The Law of Secluded Middle. Agnostics, in reality, are just light atheists.

[Dr_gonzo33]

Ya there are close minded religious people, but they don't assume there is no spiritual at all. They just think they found the 'right' religion.

I think agnosticism would be a much more open minded stance on religion than atheism. That way you at least keep an open minded to there being something greater than yourself at work.



Did i piss off all the 15-16 year old atheists? lol

No 9yr old with a social life takes a 'huge interest' in politics. Even if you did, that doesn't mean you approached it intelligently. You probably just wanted to be like mommy and daddy so you talked about how much bush sucks :p

Giving a religion a chance takes time. You can't just read a few books about christianity, islam, and judaism and say you know there is no spiritual in the entire world.

thats why i think your stupid your bitching about having a open mind when your sitting here shutting people down cuz of there age? you assume too much. thats all i have to say to you

[freetibet]

no, agnostics don't exist because of The Law of Secluded Middle. Agnostics, in reality, are just light atheists.

Light atheists, or open minded atheists? hmmm... I think if there are millions of people claiming to be agnostic, that it exists.

thats why i think your stupid your bitching about having a open mind when your sitting here shutting people down cuz of there age? you assume too much.

I'm just saying to really be atheist without making presumptions you would have to give all religions an adequate chance. Something that would be impossible to accomplish before you're 15.

thats all i have to say to you

So you're saying you'll stop talking to me now? You just made my day Dr_gonzo :)

[Dr_gonzo33]

not true dude you dont have to give all religions a chance to be an atheist, theres no requirement of knowledge of religions to be an atheist. for instance i took up monotheistic religions, as far as polytheistic religions go, i did little study in them, there teachings are good but just like the old testament of the bible its hard to swallow. but if i chose i could just base my decision to be atheist on my study of montheistic religions and thats only 3 out all of them. and it doesnt take very long to understand a religion, not in depth of course, but the basic ideas of it and thats all you would need so even if what you were saying was true, you could easily have a basic idea of every religion by the age of 15

[freetibet]

not true dude you dont have to give all religions a chance to be an atheist, theres no requirement of knowledge of religions to be an atheist.

obviously... In fact i'd say more often than not atheists have very little understanding of world religions. Often times people just decide they don't like Christianity so they figure all religions everywhere are wrong.

but if i chose i could just base my decision to be atheist on my study of montheistic religions and thats only 3 out all of them.

You seriously think there are only 3 monotheistic religions?

and it doesnt take very long to understand a religion, not in depth of course, but the basic ideas of it and thats all you would need so even if what you were saying was true, you could easily have a basic idea of every religion by the age of 15

If you were a presumptuous ass and assumed you knew everything about everything... then yes you could get the 'basic idea'. If by basic Idea you mean the names of about 5 different religions and their basic beliefs.

Really giving a religion a chance takes a lot more than a little bit of studying. Its like if you were to date a bunch of girls and then decide love doesn't exist because you got the 'basic idea' of girls by the time you were 15.

[cstrikehero]

i'm tired of all you guys dissing others religions.. just shut up because obviously u don't know jack. (except some rare cases) and none of you are open to an actual discussion.. the point of your arguments is to win and nothing else.. so these threads are pointless.. even if you info is false and your brain capacity is that of a goldfish...

[katt]

Also, in response to freetibet's argument, can you even choose to have a religion without trying all of them? Do you mean that, for example, if you want to be Christian, you have to try Islam first, and Taoism, etc. before you can decide to be Christian, to see if any of them make more sense than Christianity?

[tmz]

i was always under the assumption that agnostics believed in a higher power but did not assume it was the higher being of a specific religion which would leave them open to new ideas and discoveries.

idunno.
i used to have to study religion and the lack thereof. i kinda remember that being the basic definition of agnotism but i could be wrong.

[katt]

I think you're right, but now, we're mostly talking about atheism anyway.

[tmz]

haha alright.
yeah i knew it was pretty off of the current conversation but i felt liek throwing it in there anyway.
sorry XD

[Dr_gonzo33]

obviously... In fact i'd say more often than not atheists have very little understanding of world religions. Often times people just decide they don't like Christianity so they figure all religions everywhere are wrong.



You seriously think there are only 3 monotheistic religions?



If you were a presumptuous ass and assumed you knew everything about everything... then yes you could get the 'basic idea'. If by basic Idea you mean the names of about 5 different religions and their basic beliefs.

Really giving a religion a chance takes a lot more than a little bit of studying. Its like if you were to date a bunch of girls and then decide love doesn't exist because you got the 'basic idea' of girls by the time you were 15.

okay name me some more monotheistic religions, other than the three semitic ones that im talking about and dont say satanism or zarostrianism. and no some people just dont think that there is an ultimate being you dont need to know anything about any religion. you just think that the human race is a result of a cosmic anomaly. love is a bad metaphor not every one can go out and experience love, especially by age 15 some ppl never experience it, its an emotion you cant pick it up and study it, but with a religion you can learn as much as you want about it at almost any age. and why woud you need to know the details of a religion to not believe it i think the basic ideas of it would suffice because if you get into details then your talking about practices and what not if you get the basic ideas such as story line and moral teachings why wouldnt that be enough, for exp. basic ideas for christianity a savior died for the sins of the ppl, accept him as the savior, you are accepted into the kingdom of god. another exp. Islam mohammed had a holy vision wrote a holy scripture, got followers fought a war agaisnt the sinful ppl of meca, miraculously won. (theres more to it, but you get the idea) the teachings are simular to christianity except worship god and he will allow you into his kingdom. now all religions have that basic idea all their teachings are similar although the story lines are different that is why i think that you would only need the basic ideas of religions. but thats if what you said was true, you dont need to have any knowledge of any religion to deny the existence of an ultimate being

[katt]

If he were to count every version of Christianity/Islam etc. as its own religion, as each has slightly different values/beliefs, he could give you a rather long list...

[Dr_gonzo33]

yeah but lutheranism or caltholicism is stil cristianity, just like the sunni's and shiates, those are sects, the teachings are the same but the practices are different, and if he listed all the different sects i would slap him for being stupid

[katt]

Well, not everyone on this site is exactly logical... And I wasn't saying they were different religions, I mentioned it because I have heard people try to use that argument before.

[Dr_gonzo33]

yeah i know what your saying i just wanted to state that

[itismesaj]

Agnostics (which I doubt any of you know the correct pronunciation of) accept the possibility of God. However, they also understand that a supreme being would be impossible for a human to comprehend. It would be like explaining neuroscience to penguins.

Job's done.

[freetibet]

okay name me some more monotheistic religions, other than the three semitic ones that im talking about and dont say satanism or zarostrianism.

I think Zoriastrianism should count... but ok. I can name one right off the top of my head. Sikhism. I doubt you've even heard of it...

and no some people just dont think that there is an ultimate being you dont need to know anything about any religion. you just think that the human race is a result of a cosmic anomaly. love is a bad metaphor not every one can go out and experience love, especially by age 15 some ppl never experience it, its an emotion you cant pick it up and study it, but with a religion you can learn as much as you want about it at almost any age.

Well you can 'study' love just as effectively as you can study spirituality. You can read about what different people have said they believe it is, but in the end you have to experience it yourself.

and why woud you need to know the details of a religion to not believe it i think the basic ideas of it would suffice because if you get into details then your talking about practices and what not if you get the basic ideas such as story line and moral teachings why wouldnt that be enough, for exp. basic ideas for christianity a savior died for the sins of the ppl, accept him as the savior, you are accepted into the kingdom of god. another exp. Islam mohammed had a holy vision wrote a holy scripture, got followers fought a war agaisnt the sinful ppl of meca, miraculously won. (theres more to it, but you get the idea) the teachings are simular to christianity except worship god and he will allow you into his kingdom. now all religions have that basic idea all their teachings are similar although the story lines are different that is why i think that you would only need the basic ideas of religions. but thats if what you said was true, you dont need to have any knowledge of any religion to deny the existence of an ultimate being

congratulations, you know a very small portion of some of the abrahimic religions (kinda, you were a little off on all your examples). That doesn't mean you know enough to Say there is no spiritual part to our lives though.

You can say Islam is wrong, you can say Christianity is wrong, but to say there is nothing to life but the physical is just intellectually lax. Especially considering how little you know about religion.

Most of you, it would seem, don't even know how many types of non-atheists there are. What about pantheism, panentheism, agnosticism, and others?

You call agnostics'pussies' because you think they are just atheists who just can't commit, when in fact its something very different.

Also, in response to freetibet's argument, can you even choose to have a religion without trying all of them? Do you mean that, for example, if you want to be Christian, you have to try Islam first, and Taoism, etc. before you can decide to be Christian, to see if any of them make more sense than Christianity?

I think its a good idea to keep an open mind even after you think you found the right religion.

Religion is like looking for something in a forest. Once you found that certain something, you can stop and just use what you found, but there is also a chance of there being more in the forest.

Atheism is like not finding what you're looking for in the forest, and then deciding that the thing your looking for is nowhere in the entire universe.

[ramalamafafafa]

Atheism is like not finding what you're looking for in the forest, and then deciding that the thing your looking for is nowhere in the entire universe.

'Tard.

Atheism is searching the forest and not finding anything. Then realising that the forest is fucking empty, and the douchebag who told you there was gold in there deserves a good kicking. Having been screwed by the dude who told you there was gold in the forest, you return home, living as a realist, knowing that the forest is empty, and the people telling you about the gifts the forest bears are liars and idiots.

Religion is being told that the fact that nobody has discovered the gold means nobody can disprove it's existance, and that you ought to continue searching for the gold nobody has ever found.

[freetibet]

well maybe you shouldn't be looking for gold. If you were expecting miracles, you'll be disappointed. If your looking for unconditional love though, then you might just find it.

[ramalamafafafa]

well maybe you shouldn't be looking for gold. If you were expecting miracles, you'll be disappointed. If your looking for unconditional love though, then you might just find it.

Oh, i get it.

It's in the forrest, it's just invisible, and not a tangible notion. Like that hand....

[freetibet]

what hand?

and ya... emotions are not a tangible thing.

[ramalamafafafa]

and ya... emotions are not a tangible thing.

So, it takes a book of lies, a bunch of lavish halls, hundreds of raped altar-boys, and some deceitful cunts in robes (who make a bloody killing) for you to feel good?

I pity you, Freetibet.

Whatever, you people can live the lie if you like. But why the fuck should you and your bullshit leaders impose their way on us?

If a woman wants an abortion, how is it your choice to stop her or not?


And anyway, which god (or gods) exist? The Christian/Islamic/Jewish one? The Roman ones? The Greek Ones? The Buddhist concept of Karma? None of them are compatible, which one is it?

[freetibet]

So, it takes a book of lies, a bunch of lavish halls, hundreds of raped altar-boys, and some deceitful cunts in robes (who make a bloody killing) for you to feel good?

I pity you, Freetibet.

Whatever, you people can live the lie if you like. But why the fuck should you and your bullshit leaders impose their way on us?

If a woman wants an abortion, how is it your choice to stop her or not?


And anyway, which god (or gods) exist? The Christian/Islamic/Jewish one? The Roman ones? The Greek Ones? The Buddhist concept of Karma? None of them are compatible, which one is it?

You realize I'm not catholic right? I don't even believe in the trinity...

I think that buddhism, christianity, islam, judaism, etc all have truth to them.

I think its foolish to separate people with all these religious 'isms' though. I just call myself religious rather than a particular 'ism'

[ramalamafafafa]

You realize I'm not catholic right? I don't even believe in the trinity...

I think that buddhism, christianity, islam, judaism, etc all have truth to them.

I think its foolish to separate people with all these religious 'isms' though. I just call myself religious rather than a particular 'ism'

What about the Ancient Greek Gods?

Got something to learn from those dudes and dudettes too huh?


Like i said, live your lie, but keep you and your idiot kind the fuck away from Parliament.

[freetibet]

Ya I think there is lots you can learn from mythology, just not a whole lot of spirituality involved is all.

and my country doesn't have a parliament...

You seem to think i'm an Australian Catholic trying to force my view on everyone in my country. Are you imagining i'm someone else as you debate me perhaps?

maybe your father or mother!!! :eek:

[ramalamafafafa]

Ya I think there is lots you can learn from mythology, just not a whole lot of spirituality involved is all.

and my country doesn't have a parliament...

You seem to think i'm an Australian Catholic trying to force my view on everyone in my country. Are you imagining i'm someone else as you debate me perhaps?

maybe your father or mother!!! :eek:

No, i'm just fucking sick of the Christian Right's assault on basic rights.

[freetibet]

tell me ramal... when did you start getting this "fucking sick" feeling? Point on the doll where to priest touched you.

lol

[cstrikehero]

Also, in response to freetibet's argument, can you even choose to have a religion without trying all of them? Do you mean that, for example, if you want to be Christian, you have to try Islam first, and Taoism, etc. before you can decide to be Christian, to see if any of them make more sense than Christianity?

im sorry. you can study them at home.. read the books and what they teach and i can decide its not right for me.. no u don't have to try all of them...

[cstrikehero]

No, i'm just fucking sick of the Christian Right's assault on basic rights.

wtf is wrong with you???! Christians do not assault people with rights or whatever you just said.. because its not what we believe in.. we believe God gave us a choice between his son and hell.. and we help people make the right choice. no one forces it.. in some rare cases they might because they are confused about some things.. in that case I'm sorry that one lives near you..

Also,

HOW might i ask can you just a religion based on one or two people.. even a hundred people? the Fact that Christianity is the Largest religion and fastest growing.. does that not possibly mean something??? People in China basically say kill me and become Christians!!!.. My dads boss was arrested on a business trip in China for having a bible..!!!!!!! YES TRUE STORY!!!

So honestly, how can you say there isn't anything there?

If you believe in Satan you believe in God because Satan used to be Gods angels. right hand man if you will.. but believing in god int enough. you have to accept.. repent. yadayada.. Satan Believes in God, He knows what Jesus has done for you.. and one day when ur in hell and u ignored what i just said. you'll wish you had listened..

[ramalamafafafa]

wtf is wrong with you???! Christians do not assault people with rights or whatever you just said.. because its not what we believe in.. we believe God gave us a choice between his son and hell.. and we help people make the right choice. no one forces it.. in some rare cases they might because they are confused about some things.. in that case I'm sorry that one lives near you..



I'm talking about things such as woman's choice to abortion being infringed, etc. All because of the bullshit influence of the church.


There is no God. Accept it.

There is no Satan. Accept it.

Now lets all move on with our lives...

[cstrikehero]

ok you do that rama... see where it gets you...

[ramalamafafafa]

So what right does the church have to stop or hinder the right to abortion of the larger population?

[freetibet]

So what right does the church have to stop or hinder the right to abortion of the larger population?

Who is the larger population to decide unborn children can be killed for any reason?

There are more groups than just Christians who think you shouldn't be allowed to kill your kid because it will keep you from going on vacation.

I bet there is even an atheist or 2 that is pro-life.

[Dr_gonzo33]

So what right does the church have to stop or hinder the right to abortion of the larger population?

okay, um just because your christian doesnt automatically mean your agaisnt abortion. i know some atheists that are agaisnt it, they just think its morally wrong.

[freetibet]

exactly, its a political issue.

[Dr_gonzo33]

yeah it just so happens that alot of people protesting it are christian thats because the majorityof americans are christian and i think they just use the fact that its a "sin" because i bet ya that the majority of women gettin the abortion are christian also and they try to convince them its wrong by using their religion agaisnt them

[cstrikehero]

abortion is murder.. and murder is wrong.. so i am against abortion.. also if a girl was screwing around. she should have to live with the consequences..

[ramalamafafafa]

abortion is murder.. and murder is wrong.. so i am against abortion.. also if a girl was screwing around. she should have to live with the consequences..

Hey, fuck you arsehole, i don't like what you're implying there cunt.

[katt]

im sorry. you can study them at home.. read the books and what they teach and i can decide its not right for me.. no u don't have to try all of them...

Just out of curiosity, what are you apologizing for?

[Dr_gonzo33]

Hey, fuck you arsehole, i don't like what you're implying there cunt.
okay so a women gets raped and then finds out shes pregnant. why should she have to go through all 9 months of pregnancy

[cstrikehero]

Just out of curiosity, what are you apologizing for?

umm its a figure of speech...

[Dr_gonzo33]

what i sadi before is the only reason i can justify abortion, otherwise there are always other options

[ramalamafafafa]

okay so a women gets raped and then finds out shes pregnant. why should she have to go through all 9 months of pregnancy

.... Pretty sure i've been making the same point for months...

[h2so4]

I don't know if there is a God or not, and you know what? I don't give a shit. Now, if we really want to have a discussion, perhaps we should decide which book of scripture makes the best toilet paper or puppy training material. I also think a variety mix of ground up books of Mormon, mascerated copies of Dianetics, and slightly urine soaked bits of the Holy Bible make a nice garden mulch. Throw in bales of Torah and Q'oran chunk-ettes and.... c'est magnifique. My hemp plants really LOVE this, especially with a gooey dollop of humanure on top for color and texture.

H2SO4 - Dangerous and caustic since 1951

[Dr_gonzo33]

haha thats so funny.................................

[tmz]

oh boy urine covered tissue paper for my garden just what i've always wanted?

[Dr_gonzo33]

yeah stay away from his garden, besides doesnt urine kill plants

[tmz]

yeah its too acidic

[Dylan334]

Exactly. you just got pwned.

OH YEAH PWWWNED:mad::p

[Dylan334]

i don't think it matters, life is still shitty and pointless. and if there is a god that gave you free will (like the bible says) then why do you have the obligation to worship it?

YES!!! High five

[freetibet]

will someone please ban this fucker?

[Dr_gonzo33]

really theres no need to double post to just make retarded statements like that, you should atleast write a little something more

[Insaneguy75]

Agnosticism is the happy medium between Aetheism and Religion.


I'm an agnostic- I won't believe jack shit unless they give me proof. Likewise, I won't say that any given religion is bullshit unless I have proof against it.

[Dr_gonzo33]

making you a hypocrite, and as i said before religion isnt suppose to be bassed off of proof of an ultimate being......... FAITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Insaneguy75]

May I ask WHY that makes me a hypocrite?

[Dr_gonzo33]

May I ask WHY that makes me a hypocrite?

you wont believe in it, and at the same time you wont deny it. and for the recored there is plenty of proof against religions

[Insaneguy75]

you wont believe in it, and at the same time you wont deny it. and for the recored there is plenty of proof against religions

That is in no way hypocritical. The worst I could say of it is indecisive.


Hypocracy is where you say or otherwise indicate that you do/support one thing, yet you actually do/support the opposite. Like saying smoking is bad, but smoking anyways.

[Dr_gonzo33]

umm okay i think what i said fits that, and its not be indecisive, undecided or any of that bullshit, thats not what agnosticism is, if thats what you are then you are simply undecided, not agnostic

[Insaneguy75]

Agnosticism:

Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism,[1] though it is not a religious declaration in itself. Agnosticism does not preclude religious belief; that is to say, an agnostic can be a theist or an atheist, but can be 'agnostically' so.
www.wikipedia.org (which I KNOW cannot always be considered a valid source, but in this case I see no faults)


Basically, agnosticism is EXACTLY what I am.


Furthermore, no. My statement was hypocratic in NO way whatsoever. What did I say to contradict myself?


I think you are trying to argue without truly knowing the topic, nor the details that pertains to it.

[Dr_gonzo33]

"I won't believe jack shit unless they give me proof. Likewise, I won't say that any given religion is bullshit unless I have proof against it." theres your contradicting statement

[Insaneguy75]

"I won't believe jack shit unless they give me proof. Likewise, I won't say that any given religion is bullshit unless I have proof against it." theres your contradicting statement


I see no contradiction in this.

Let me reword it for your small mind.

To me, no religion is either true or false without proof. It's all open for proving to me, no matter how fucked up it seems.

[Dr_gonzo33]

so until some one comes up to you with proof of a god you will remain in this indecisive state?

[Insaneguy75]

so until some one comes up to you with proof of a god you will remain in this indecisive state?

Good to see you finally grasp the concept of Agnosticism.


Now, please explain to me why you believe in an imaginary being with absolutely no scientific proof other than a book. Need I remind you of the fact that books are made by PEOPLE, therefore contain what they BELIEVE if it is not factual (like a science textbook)?

[Dr_gonzo33]

no no no, thats not agnocticism thats being undecided, they are not the same, and i think your assuming that i believe in a religion. i could be atheist you know. and whats wrong with believing in a religion if there is no proof for it other that it exists, does that make one a fool?

[Insaneguy75]

First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but your previous posts have led me to believe that you are religious.


Secondly- Indesiciveness. That is the DEFINITION of Agnosticism, though put in a much harsher intonation. Do your research before you try to sound smart, little boy.

[Dr_gonzo33]

well i tried to keep my creed to myself because alot of people would say i am closed minded because of my beliefs, which is not the case at all i am very open minded. there are just things that i see as stupid such as agnosticism. and saying something stupid isnt being closed minded.

[Insaneguy75]

well i tried to keep my creed to myself because alot of people would say i am closed minded because of my beliefs, which is not the case at all i am very open minded. there are just things that i see as stupid such as agnosticism. and saying something stupid isnt being closed minded.


That's great, I really couldn't care less what you think. This is my belief, nothing you say to me will make me say 'gee, what a stupid way of life. I guess I'll go convert to something I don't really whole-heartedly believe in now!'

On a similar note, as an Agnostic, I accept the fact that you have your beliefs. I don't have to believe them to respect your religion, I just have to ACCEPT them.

[Dr_gonzo33]

and being undecided does not make you agnostic. you would be undecided. i think i've said that like 30 times and yet i still get dumbasses like you saying it is

[Insaneguy75]

Read the definition I provided. Read it carefully.


My beliefs are agnostic. Agnosticism can be associated with indesiciveness, though we prefer to think of it as open-mindedness. Similar to the way that religion can be interpreted as close-mindedness, but it is not always the case, as I am sure you are quite open-minded, if slightly stubborn and annoying.

[Dr_gonzo33]

That's great, I really couldn't care less what you think. This is my belief, nothing you say to me will make me say 'gee, what a stupid way of life. I guess I'll go convert to something I don't really whole-heartedly believe in now!'

On a similar note, as an Agnostic, I accept the fact that you have your beliefs. I don't have to believe them to respect your religion, I just have to ACCEPT them.

and i accept the fact that your a pussy. you have to put so much thought in a simple decision, you make it seem like you dont want to be wrong, you must be one of those people who always has to be right. who gives a shit your little "agnostic" way of life is stupid your just standing in a doorway, step in or step out, you dont need proof to believe in a religion you and there is plenty of proof against them, i think that you just want to look cool so you call yourself agnostic

[Insaneguy75]

and i accept the fact that your a pussy. you have to put so much thought in a simple decision, you make it seem like you dont want to be wrong, you must be one of those people who always has to be right. who gives a shit your little "agnostic" way of life is stupid your just standing in a doorway, step in or step out, you dont need proof to believe in a religion you and there is plenty of proof against them, i think that you just want to look cool so you call yourself agnostic

aw, how cute. When your arguments fail, you turn to personal attacks upon me and my beliefs.


Say what you will about me. I don't care if I am wrong, for I know that the majority of the things I do or say in life (this goes for every human being, by the way) are incorrect. And is putting thought into an argument or action suddenly considered taboo? My, what a world.


Also, I see no reason why being Agnostic suddenly labels me as 'cool'. I am an Agnostic because it is what I believe in.

[Dr_gonzo33]

you dont care if you are wrong? then choose. and i never said it was taboo, i just think its stupid, and it makes you cool cuz your probably just somekid whos looking to rebel from the norm and saying your agnostic is another way to do so

[Insaneguy75]

you dont care if you are wrong? then choose. and i never said it was taboo, i just think its stupid, and it makes you cool cuz your probably just somekid whos looking to rebel from the norm and saying your agnostic is another way to do so

I have made a choice- my choice is to be open minded.

And I think that only an idiot would make religious (or non-religious, as is the case) choices just to be cool. I assure you that I do not do this for public appeal.

[Dr_gonzo33]

okay then you are not one of those people. and your choice on being open minded doesnt make you agnostic. you know what that makes you? open minded. if you dont give a shit about religion like you dont even care, you would be considered nothing. because you dont even care to label yourself as religious, athesit, or agnostic.

[Insaneguy75]

okay then you are not one of those people. and your choice on being open minded doesnt make you agnostic. you know what that makes you? open minded. if you dont give a shit about religion like you dont even care, you would be considered nothing. because you dont even care to label yourself as religious, athesit, or agnostic.

I am an Agnostic. Agnosticism is being open to all beliefs, but not strictly following any given one without proof.


I strongly suggest you stop talking, because you stopped sounding smart about 17 pages ago on this thread.

[Dr_gonzo33]

good one....... if thats what you think think agnosticism is then your are right but its not. and i just blazed up so fuck you and you eggnog im going to go party

[Insaneguy75]

good one....... if thats what you think think agnosticism is then your are right but its not. and i just blazed up so fuck you and you eggnog im going to go party

No one cares.

[JohnLennonII]

So it seems that the argument from Insaneguy75's side is that he is undecided on the nature of God and absolute truth, hence agnostic.
Dr_gonzo33 is saying that he thinks it's stupid to model an entire worldview and life around indecision.
I would consider my self a TEMPORARY theistic agnostic.
That's someone who knows there is a god, or gods, or whatever, but is unsure whether or not the existence of such is provable or knowable.
This is not a life choice, this is a temporary state of mind while I consider the logic behind different people's arguments.
In this case, logic is hidden behind personal attacks which only clutter true opinion.
Take your personal beefs with each other in private, and save the public forum for actually talking about ideas, not how pussy the individual is.

[WeirdD]

So it seems that the argument from Insaneguy75's side is that he is undecided on the nature of God and absolute truth, hence agnostic.
Dr_gonzo33 is saying that he thinks it's stupid to model an entire worldview and life around indecision.
I would consider my self a TEMPORARY theistic agnostic.
That's someone who knows there is a god, or gods, or whatever, but is unsure whether or not the existence of such is provable or knowable.
This is not a life choice, this is a temporary state of mind while I consider the logic behind different people's arguments.
In this case, logic is hidden behind personal attacks which only clutter true opinion.
Take your personal beefs with each other in private, and save the public forum for actually talking about ideas, not how pussy the individual is.

i like you, most new people get flamed, but you turned that right around and flamed these guys for starting stupid beef.

kudos

[Dr_gonzo33]

So it seems that the argument from Insaneguy75's side is that he is undecided on the nature of God and absolute truth, hence agnostic.
Dr_gonzo33 is saying that he thinks it's stupid to model an entire worldview and life around indecision.
I would consider my self a TEMPORARY theistic agnostic.
That's someone who knows there is a god, or gods, or whatever, but is unsure whether or not the existence of such is provable or knowable.
This is not a life choice, this is a temporary state of mind while I consider the logic behind different people's arguments.
In this case, logic is hidden behind personal attacks which only clutter true opinion.
Take your personal beefs with each other in private, and save the public forum for actually talking about ideas, not how pussy the individual is.

does it really matter if we bicker on this forum?

[DollShank]

haha
Can't we all just...
Get along?

[freetibet]

just let the thread die!