Greatest Military Super Power?

[Maggotsfriend]

Ok well I want some suggestions then I'll make a poll.

I can put forward:
Russia
America
Israel
China

This is not just about the politics behind it but who has the best soldiers, war machines, firearms, all that kind of stuff not just who has the biggest nuke.

[skullcandy]

America, because through America is Israel using allmost all American equipment. The main difference between the two is location and personal training.

[redfish]

America because we can most easily move troops. it does not matter in you have 1 to 3 ratio if your enemy can't move they are trapped. i believe its

Mega power
America

Super powers not in order
Britain
Canada
Germany
Russia
China
India
there are many more with super power stasis

[McBurn the Dog]

A quote from "Why do people Hate America?"

"The colossal US military is more than two-and-a-half times larger that the militaries of the next nine largest potential adversaries combined; Russia, China, North Korea, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Cuba."

Game set and match to the US. And I don't think Britain is as relevant as it once was.

[Cake]

http://www.anarchistcookbook.com/picture.php?albumid=1965&pictureid=713


USA!!!!!

[deathlord888]

i would say person for person canada or england, we have JTF2 and they have the fucking SAS. so person for person one of them, america can just spam shit

[AssRot]

I'd like to say America. But I'm no expert

[skullcandy]

So what if the brits have the SAS, We Americans have the Rangers!

[Phoenix Fire]

America because we can most easily move troops. it does not matter in you have 1 to 3 ratio if your enemy can't move they are trapped. i believe its

Mega power
America

Super powers not in order
Britain
Canada
Germany
Russia
China
India
there are many more with super power stasis


Were talking about military... Germany only has a national guard...
Your stupid, gtfo.

[deathlord888]

germany has GSG9... and rangers cant compare to the SAS, SAS taught delta force which is above rangers

[Count Chocula]

So? Special forces make up such a small percentage of military force. No matter how well trained a group of soldiers is, numbers will ALWAYS win.

[a2thae]

America obviously...

[numerator-91]

The U.S for the prime reason that nobody even comes close to the amount they spend on military based hardware and technology. They are too far out in front for anyone else to catch up without some absurdly collossal advancements (Anybody read the book Ice Station?). This is why I'm thankful for the ANZUS treaty.

[Maggotsfriend]

I'd say New Zealand has a pretty high Troop vs Skill ratio.
We come up in the top 3 for special forces. MWHAHAHAAHA

Yea man ANZUS.

[Maggotsfriend]

Britain Fuck. Spelt it wrong, Should I have chucked France up there?

[redfish]

Were talking about military... Germany only has a national guard..
your stupid, gtfo.

err no they have an army,navy and air force. plus they are one of best in terms of weapons and technology. i believe you are the one that is stupid think a little bit before you post. Has for special forces rangers,sas,delta and black cats really two many to list.

"Britain Fuck. Spelt it wrong, Should I have chucked France up there?"
NO.

[Maggotsfriend]

Just because they have a list of different forces doesn't make them great.

[DoG MikkyW]

Ok, the SAS are probably the best trained soldiers, but there is a distinction between the delta force and the SAS, the delta force focused primarily on super innovative technologies. But yeah, the US has the largest arsenals of any country, maybe of every country, the only problem is, there is to much political bullshit to sort out for us to ever use it.

[skullcandy]

Ok, the SAS are probably the best trained soldiers, but there is a distinction between the delta force and the SAS, the delta force focused primarily on super innovative technologies. But yeah, the US has the largest arsenals of any country, maybe of every country, the only problem is, there is to much political bullshit to sort out for us to ever use it.

true that, and even more true now that we have some serious BO in the whitehose. I changed my mind, quality wise i'd say Israel is the best. Israel has super disciplined troops.

[Count Chocula]

Quality wise probably Israel, because they get into wars against forces ten times as large as theirs and come out on top. But the greatest military superpower is the United States, just the sheer number of troops and money spent on the newest equipment.

[skullcandy]

Which is why israel is #1, Almost all of their equipment is manufactured and made in America. Through America's greatness Israel rapes other countries up the ass.

[McBurn the Dog]

I wouldn't (really) be surprised if the US has robots, or lasers or something back in the "Commie Warehouse"

[methtownblue]

I'm not trying to be obnoxiously patriotic, but I would say the United States has the best military. Practically every branch of our military has equal or superior firepower compared to those that found in other superpowers. I can show many examples to support this
M1 Abrams Tank: The tank that destroyed Saddam's Republican Gaurd tanks during Desert Storm. It has depleted uranium armor that brings unriveled protection. It also has a turbine engine that lets it cruise at high speeds. It also has integrated thermal imaging that can give the Abrams a higher chance of striking first.

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor: The most advanced bird the U.S. has to offer to date. The technologies crammed into the airframe makes it virtually undetectable to radar, and also gives the Raptor a terror of the skies when delivering munitions.

Nimitz-class carrier: A massive nuclear reactor driven aircraft carrier that can remain at sea indefinitely. As a matter of fact, the U.S. is one of the few superpowers to use nuclear power for propulsion on a military ship. The immense surface area on the ship gives it a wing of almost 100 aircraft. The idea of power projection is proven very well with this beast.

Virginia-class sub: The successor to the Seawolf-class. The advanced hull on a moving Virgina-class makes less noise on sonar than most other subs tied up at dock, giving it unrivaled stealth. It also features a special hatch that can deliver frogmen to a rendevious while completely submerged, making it ideal for covert operations.
Unfortunatly because of our overwelming military power, confronting something as powerful as the United States would end in certain defeat if using conventional warfare. However terrorist groups will have no problem fighting, as its hard to defeat something that can't be seen, no matter how hard you try. This is why we're still in this mess in the Middle East that wasn't even officially declared a war.

[deathlord888]

america person to person is not better than canada, they just invest more in military funding

[Maggotsfriend]

For best military technology America doesn't come close, all the best stuff is designed by other countries and either bought or stolen, Shit man Railguns, Anti matter, Chemical lasers, Lasers in general, That crazy black hole generator and can someone help me out?

[Deetinator]

America is better in technology, which is why we'd win. And why we only need an all-volunteer force.

And has anyone seen Israel's new tank protector? It's computer can track RPGs automatically and shoots out a projectile to blow it up before it hits the tank. I'd say they're next in line for hardcoreness.

[Maggotsfriend]

I word EMP, one generated by a nuclear fission would fuck America.

[Deetinator]

Yeah, except we've got nukes scattered across the great plains, pretty far away from any major urban centers.

[AssRot]

I word EMP, one generated by a nuclear fission would fuck America.

And by "emp" you mean... electro magnetic pulse right? How the fuck would that ever "fuck america"

[Phoenix Fire]

And by "emp" you mean... electro magnetic pulse right? How the fuck would that ever "fuck america"

Because our entire system is based on electronic devices and internet servers.
If electronics wen't down here we would be screwed.
We don't even keep written backups of shit anymore.

[Maggotsfriend]

Look at the area of affect of an EMP caused from a single nuke.

[I_AM_LEGEND]

It's safe to say the US, not only is our land mass so large that it would make it nearly impossible to take over our country but our technological superiority in weapon systems puts us far ahead of most militaries. Not to mention we have the Rocky and Appalachian Mtns. dividing the country.

Who was so ignorant to vote Israel or Britian, their country is so small we could bomb them out in matter or weeks... I'm also suprised no one voted China, they are believed to have a 1.8 million man standing army.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country_detail.asp?country_id=4

[I_AM_LEGEND]

america person to person is not better than canada, they just invest more in military funding

I doubt Canada has a bigger defense budget than the US, I'll put money on that....

Along with that, compare the number of firearms owned in the US vs. Canada, obviously that's not comparing the militaries but if the SHTF and there was a civil war between us and Canada for whatever reason, I think the fact we simply own a lot more guns, especially in terms of battle rifles, AK's and AR's, the US would pretty much dominate that one...

[Cuddles]

It's safe to say the US, not only is our land mass so large that it would make it nearly impossible to take over our country but our technological superiority in weapon systems puts us far ahead of most militaries. Not to mention we have the Rocky and Appalachian Mtns. dividing the country.

Who was so ignorant to vote Israel or Britian, their country is so small we could bomb them out in matter or weeks... I'm also suprised no one voted China, they are believed to have a 1.8 million man standing army.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country_detail.asp?country_id=4

i didnt know there was a poll, or i would've voted china, ive mentioned several times that i believe that it's physically impossible for us to kill them faster than they can breed without using nuclear arms, and that they would have far too much backing and support if we did get into a fight with them.....and using nuclear arms is not a possibility, as they would surely have some means of countering us within a week (im sure someone in china can make a nuke if he's told he's allowed....)

[I_AM_LEGEND]

i didnt know there was a poll, or i would've voted china, ive mentioned several times that i believe that it's physically impossible for us to kill them faster than they can breed without using nuclear arms, and that they would have far too much backing and support if we did get into a fight with them.....and using nuclear arms is not a possibility, as they would surely have some means of countering us within a week (im sure someone in china can make a nuke if he's told he's allowed....)

They've already got the, although the Chinese military is in a state of disarmament and downsizing, they have over 150 nucleur warheads set aside for if the SHTF

[deathlord888]

I doubt Canada has a bigger defense budget than the US, I'll put money on that....


did you even read my post????

i said that EXACT thing retard but soldier vs soldier on average we have better people and you have 10x the population to pick from

[Maggotsfriend]

You equal Failure.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/EMP_mechanism.GIF

[Count Chocula]

It is possible to shield from EMPs.

[McBurn the Dog]

Because there was a lot of danger of EMPs during the cold war, US army personell are still trained with the old gear, no GPS but maps, that kid of thing. So the US wouldn't be entirel screwed anyway. But even if there were an EMP attack, that means nuclear weapons are go, so that country could kiss its ass goodbye. So could the entire planet come to that. And it would be kind of hard to launch a suprise missile attack on the US, considering they're watching EVERYONE....
No, the US kicks a preposterouse amount of ass when it comes to Mititary nonsence.
All the rest of us have to think of something else to do better....
Like us Irish. WE make pretty awsome butter. Take THAT America! Oh yes, you don't have the climate for easy dairy farming.

[Deetinator]

True that. Another reason why I think we should have an apocalypse sub-forum. We gotta prepare!

[I_AM_LEGEND]

EMPs can suck my nuts.... everyone around here is on the EMP' dick, get over it, they've yet to be used in warfare and probably won't in the future...

[Maggotsfriend]

You have no idea, bringing down a country is easy if one has the right mind.

This is not an EMP generated by a Energy capacitor but by a Nuclear bomb.

You fail to see the bigger picture.

Broaden your view.

[Deetinator]

And EMPs are more likely to be used in warfare in the future then nukes, because they disable, and don't kill people, save those on pacemakers and in hospitals.

[Maggotsfriend]

Its not why they are used, seriously think about what your arguing.

[WeirdD]

canada is definately not one
I'm canadian.

[Justpaint89]

I'd say New Zealand has a pretty high Troop vs Skill ratio.
We come up in the top 3 for special forces. MWHAHAHAAHA

Yea man ANZUS.

new zealand does have a badass arm,y I trained with them a few months ago but their army is only about 5,000 strong so very easy to wipe out. Israeli's are very underestimated they have the best hand to hand combat and everyone at the age of 18 has to join. And to everyone arguing about rangers and such. The Rangers arent top of the line anymore they're just glorified infantrymen. They get the best gear but they are equally trained with the rest of the Army.

[Count Chocula]

Are you fucking joking?














...We need Phoenix back.

[deathlord888]

The Rangers arent top of the line anymore they're just glorified infantrymen. They get the best gear but they are equally trained with the rest of the Army.


lol you are a complete and total retard, they are the elite of the army... just like force recon for marines... dumb ass

[Count Chocula]

1 post and he "trained with the New Zealand army"

[McBurn the Dog]

I bet he has a Cheytac under his bed that he got from his friend in the Navy Seals too!
The Rangers kick ass. Everyone knows that.

[Maggotsfriend]

The NZ army doesn't include the NZSAS.

[marcraft]

considering america spends HALF as in 50% of the money spent on military in the entire world id say america. thats means that every other nation that exists put together would spend as much (not more) as america alone, id say america. forget where i herd that but i think its true, only problem is that americas larger weapons are useless against internal problems so introduction of a police state is inevitable, they need it just to control their civilians.

and the gun to household ratio in canada is more , along with the amount of households that have guns to the amount that dont. 1 in every 3 canadian houses has atleast 1 gun in it, and 1 in every 4 canadians own atleast 1 gun. you cant say that about the states. but its still 365 million VS 35 million , even if only 1 in every 20 american houses had guns , thats still more americans with guns.

[Dracus124]

The United States of America. Everybody who knows anything about war and history knows USA is the super power in any kind of warfare.

[Deetinator]

Our only weakness is our politics. Some can't handle the truth that war is ugly, and want to stop as soon as it gets ugly. Killing 1 to save 2 is worth it. Not everyone has the stomach for it though.

[Count Chocula]

Killing one to save two is not always good. For instance, I'd rather have one Deetinator than two GaMeRbOts

[Deetinator]

Ah, that just made my day. :D

But let's say there are 3 clones of neutral Bob. You feel neutral about neutral Bob. If you had to kill either one neutral Bob or two neutral Bobs, you SHOULD kill just one neutral Bob. Unless you felt neutral about it. Then you'd just be dick.

[Count Chocula]

I would kill myself and let those poor bobs live in peace.

[Deetinator]

And that is the honorable choice. Though most are too self focused to let it even cross their minds. Good job Chocula.

[Dylan334]

I don care you yankees you are all brits essentially

[Deetinator]

HA! Tell that to a brit or yank. Where are you from?

[Count Chocula]

He's from the US. Just ignore him he's a "I snagged my mommy's visa let's hit hot topic"

[Deetinator]

lol, ouch, so true

[xolonm]

I don care you yankees you are all brits essentially

haha dude only a littel off xD

im english and im proud of being english , modern americans may mainly come from europeans does not mean they are, just like saying alot of british ceom from romans and vikings u dont we me out in the garden with a fur coat and big ram horn..

and my opinions ofc is that man for man the british military would be 1 of the top ranked , i live about 15 miles from where the main S.A.S is based, and the storys u hear about these guys r stupiu. the situations they get into and how they get out of them,

"Who dairs wins" says it all xD

[Count Chocula]

...nice

[methtownblue]

haha dude only a littel off xD

im english and im proud of being english , modern americans may mainly come from europeans does not mean they are, just like saying alot of british ceom from romans and vikings u dont we me out in the garden with a fur coat and big ram horn..

and my opinions ofc is that man for man the british military would be 1 of the top ranked , i live about 15 miles from where the main S.A.S is based, and the storys u hear about these guys r stupiu. the situations they get into and how they get out of them,

"Who dairs wins" says it all xD

How old are you and how much do know about the military?

[xolonm]

How old are you and how much do know about the military?

im 7 and i belive the military is a form of anti-sematic militants that rule the underworld with an iron fist using slingshots and spears....

dude i dont know shit i aint in the army, but when u spoekn to a 20 year serving ex S.A.S veteran, he can tell u stuff that would make u shit your pants, so im just saying man for man id sat the english army is fairly well equiped and resorced , and if u got a problem with my opinion go suck my dick.....

[Count Chocula]

Stop flirting with methtown. He's not into that.

[methtownblue]

Sorry, but I not into sucking off little boys, that's just not my style. Also, I will only go down on women.

As if one branch of the military sees a whole bunch of shit that the others don't. Hearing stories from one man and making an outrageous conclusion is stupid. Seriously, that's like saying "my mom makes the best spegetti in town!", even though you haven't gone to someone else's home or a restaurant to eat dinner. Do your research next time you attemp to make a post.

[Chiri]

This isn't really an opinion thing. The greatest military superpowers ARE China and the US right now. We (Canada) have like 100 000 thousand people in our armed forces all totalled, so we can't compete with the 1 000 000 of the US, who probably can't compete with the 3.5 million troops that China and India each have.

Why is Australia, New Zealand, Germany, and Canada etc, even on the poll?

[xolonm]

Sorry, but I not into sucking off little boys, that's just not my style. Also, I will only go down on women.

As if one branch of the military sees a whole bunch of shit that the others don't. Hearing stories from one man and making an outrageous conclusion is stupid. Seriously, that's like saying "my mom makes the best spegetti in town!", even though you haven't gone to someone else's home or a restaurant to eat dinner. Do your research next time you attemp to make a post.

Also, I will only go down on women. (will.. obviusly your sister aint 10 yet so your dad still had dibs on her..

dude i didnt say england is buy far the best and can win any war ever , i said man for man, the british military is 1 of the best, and i mean im sure if u looked into it you would find its true as most branches of the british army have a very intense and tough training course, so its quite hard even just to enter the army as chef, so concodoring we have some of the longest existing specialist military groups in the world, with mulitple years of actualk action experiance, i would asume that britan would be 1 of the top .. thats all im saying and if that makes u blow a load in your moms mouth to quick then dont read it... its a forum and thus people come here to post there opinions if u think u atempting to insult me in som way will change that then u need to grow up a lil and just post what u think / or benefit the forum community buy proposing ideas/ making threads... CYAAAA

[Count Chocula]

This is a place to speak your ideas. Not vomit your incoherent retard-speak all over the page. Take the short bus back to whatever shithole you came from.

[Chiri]

Want me to translate that to english/good grammar and spelling for you? I think I can understand a bit of what he said...

[Count Chocula]

It's about what kind of impression those sort of posts give. This forum is filled with retarded fucks like him scaring off the contributing members.

[methtownblue]

Stop making failed attempts at insulting me. You saying that you are going to "benefit" ACB is laughable considering what you post. Just stop what you are doing if you know what's good for you, or read some of the other threads on here if you want to know what you are up against. I have grown up, and I don't mean like "yah I got first pubic hair, I'm better than you".

Man for man isn't very good, considering how you also have to factor in manPOWER, spending and technology.

[Chiri]

@Count Chocula: Yeah, I was just joking. Speaking of which, how would we go about getting you to become weapons mod? That other guy still hasn't been around for a long time, and you seem to hate non-contributing n00bs in the extreme. I think it's about time for a switch.

[Count Chocula]

Phoenix said I would be but TA is siting on his ass as usual. At this point I don't care who it is as long as they ban fucks like this.

[xolonm]

Stop making failed attempts at insulting me. You saying that you are going to "benefit" ACB is laughable considering what you post. Just stop what you are doing if you know what's good for you, or read some of the other threads on here if you want to know what you are up against. I have grown up, and I don't mean like "yah I got first pubic hair, I'm better than you".

Man for man isn't very good, considering how you also have to factor in manPOWER, spending and technology.

hmm agreed that the british troops are well outnubered by american china and other, hence why i pointed out the way that england would be, im not gunna come here and be like "im a proud english man , but my country is shit full of imigrants and its government is the laughing stock of the world.." xD

anyways i just wanted to post what i tought so i did, and im rather drunk so i felt like arguing .. my bad i only made my account few hours ago looks like good forum full of genuine people , so mabye i was a littel forward.

P.s i have awfull spelling anf grammar but its just due to lazyness/habbit so dont be offended xD

[Count Chocula]

Yeah we get the "I was drunk" all the time. You weren't being drunk. You were being 10 years old. Come back in 6+

[Chiri]

Man for man isn't very good, considering how you also have to factor in manPOWER, spending and technology.

Not true. Modern wars are fought against terrorist organizations and the like, people who blend in with the communities that we're soldiering in. Having a well trained and equipped force is essential if you're going to maintain an efficient war on terror. Manpower is important, but training/equipment are equally important.

That's why nations with smaller military forces, especially their armies, are able to contribute to an actual war like the conflict in the middle east. Canada, Britain, and some of the other coalition are doing very well in Afghanistan right now.

[xolonm]

Not true. Modern wars are fought against terrorist organizations and the like, people who blend in with the communities that we're soldiering in. Having a well trained and equipped force is essential if you're going to maintain an efficient war on terror. Manpower is important, but training/equipment are equally important.
That's why nations with smaller military forces, especially their armies, are able to contribute to an actual war like the conflict in the middle east. Canada, Britain, and some of the other coalition are doing very well in Afghanistan right now.


this is kinda the point i was going to make but i CBA with is as u guys all know each other and seam to dislike outsiders opinions, anyways i mean look at the viet kong, they where out maned and outpowered by far but because of there good training, and good land knowledge they used the enviroment to there advantage , where as america pumped troops in thinking man power solves all

"its not the man power its the power of the man " (role models xD)

but yeah this is all kidna irrelivant because if 2 super powers couldnt war now anyways due to all the peace treaties and NATO and the EU and all that crap , wouldnt happen because the threat of nukes is somthing that will never be used anyways ..

[methtownblue]

Did you read part of my post on page 3?
"Unfortunatly because of our overwelming military power, confronting something as powerful as the United States would end in certain defeat if using conventional warfare. However terrorist groups will have no problem fighting, as its hard to defeat something that can't be seen, no matter how hard you try. This is why we're still in this mess in the Middle East that wasn't even officially declared a war."
I have known about the futile "War on Terror", so I don't feel the need to say it again in this thread.

BTW xolonm seems to have the mannerisms of MotherRussia, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same.

[Chiri]

@ xolonm: No, I just countered his opinion with a logical arguement.

You made some kind of weird chain of insults and bullshit that most of us probably didn't even need to read before flaming you.

@Methtownblue: Remember that a lot would change if a country went to war with a global superpower like the US. Ie: Some places would conscript, some places would look for help, some places would use nuclear weaponry. So it's hard to limited a war to conventional warfare in the first place.

Don't forget places like China, Russia, and India.


On the bright side, I like the attitude many Americans have toward their soldiers.

In Canada here, I get called a babykiller sometimes if I'm walking down the street in uniform.

[methtownblue]

I do remember about change, for it happens all the time.
I haven't forgotton how others countries have more people in their military than ours, but I still chose the US.

You walk in uniform? What branch are you in?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

New Zealand? too small.

Australia? not a big enough defense budget.

India? too podunk.

Canada? too liberal.

Britain? not a big enough defense budget.

Germany? they don't give a fuck anymore.

China? they may have enough people for human artillery shells, but the army sucks.

Russia? too fucked up.

Israel? completely outfitted by Chechoslovakia (go figure, most people think it was the U.S.) and too small.

U.S.? Just large, rich, pig-headed, anal-retentive and greedy enough.

[acexxacer]

russia will own us all in ww3. russians have hated us sence ww2 as soon as the tensions build up there will be war

[methtownblue]

The Russians were our allies in WW2. It was in the Cold War (40-something years long) where we were always competing with the Ruskies, that tensions built up. It would have be the Cuban Missile Crisis that would have erupted into WW3/nuclear armagedden if we screwed up during that time.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

russia will own us all in ww3. russians have hated us sence ww2 as soon as the tensions build up there will be war

http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/nukestab.html

[Chiri]

I do remember about change, for it happens all the time.
I haven't forgotton how others countries have more people in their military than ours, but I still chose the US.

You walk in uniform? What branch are you in?

CF 38 Brigade, Artillery.

[xolonm]

there was an article in the paper today. about a welcome home for the troopers , there was a big long steet lined with people to welcome home the soldiers and tell them what a great job they did, and then like 15 muslims turned up and started yelling abuse at them and calling them murderes, and because it england all they got was protected from english people trying to beat shit outa them buy english police, but if it was white english people in the middle east shouting at them they would be dea din seconds.. and nothing wouild come of it.

the problem here is to be a super power you have to have certain levels of government so to be a super power there r other ways in which u are week.. I.e abuhamas was protesting hate marches in england and telling muslims to attack the english people and all he got was given a house..

so screw the military atm military aint needed so much all we need is som old fasion justice served to those who abuse modern humanrights.. :D

[carnage59]

i got to say canada from what i heard (i don't know a lot about the military)
but from what i heard that the canadian army is one of the highest trained army in the world compaired to the USA where they need two people to work one guy (one person to use and one person to matain) where the canadian army can do both

i don't know about any other army then the canadian and USA and i don't even know alot about them but like i said before i vote for canada

[Chiri]

I think you're talking about how the Canadian Forces train all their personel as basic qualified infantry soldiers Carnage. For example, US clerks, medics, etc all have little practical training in the way of personal defense, whereas all CF soldiers all have the training to be a field rifleman, machine gunner, etc, and be able to actively fill the role of each in an infantry section.

It's kind of a philosophy to the higher ups that we should be soldiers first, trade second. I think this just comes from naturally having a relatively high quality of training and discipline but low manpower compared to other militarys.

There's also a lot of good things about the Canadian Forces when compared to other country's soldiers.

[Ninjaofdeth]

i put china because they have a way larger military body

our airforce, navy, special forces, army, armored cavalry, airborne, marines are the best in the world though. by our mean the USA

and actually, its debatable whether or not 1SFOD-D is better than the SAS

[carnage59]

Along with that, compare the number of firearms owned in the US vs. Canada, obviously that's not comparing the militaries but if the SHTF and there was a civil war between us and Canada for whatever reason, I think the fact we simply own a lot more guns, especially in terms of battle rifles, AK's and AR's, the US would pretty much dominate that one...

this is a quote on page four
i don't know if people in the USA know this or not but the last war the US and Canada had canada won and kicked th USA out of canada and won the war
but the last war was almost 200 years ago so things have cahnged abit but we still won the last war between USA and Canada

[TotalAnarchyUK]

i put china because they have a way larger military body

our airforce, navy, special forces, army, armored cavalry, airborne, marines are the best in the world though. by our mean the USA

and actually, its debatable whether or not 1SFOD-D is better than the SAS

You are correct but only in 2 aspects. Your military is the best equipped, not the best trained. Your airforce and navy are the best in the world, and in any war now a days, Airforce and Navy contribute more than any other division of military. That is what gives america the most powerful military.

However, I dont think you could be any more wrong about your other choices lol.. The SAS are the most experianced, oldest, and best trained special forces unit in the world. Your army is way below other western nations, the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia have you beat there. Armoured Cavalry? Hmmm.. not sure about that one. And marines? Definatly not lol.. The Royal Marine training and courses are the hardest in the world and train for longer than any other infantry force in the world before they are accepted.

Americans on the front line have it easier than other nations, you have kit coming out of your ears, you fight a war in comfort thus making you softer when the shit hits the fan.

Have no doubt though, you are the strongest military in the world. I dont think any other nation 1-1 could win a sustained war against you partly due to your massive firepower capabilities, airforce and navy. The United Kingdoms SAS, Army, and Royal Marines are all supierior to your eqivilant, but before we could even have a chance to use them, your air force and navy would of turned your opposition to a smoking crator.

Military simulations and combat excersises with say 10 SAS vs 10 Delta, UK all the way. War? USA everytime, and thats why Iam glad to call the USA an Ally.

[new_elite]

you got that one spot on

[steer]

Britain would surrender if going to war with America anyways :)

Gordon Brown is a bit of a poof tbf.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Britain would surrender if going to war with America anyways :)

Gordon Brown is a bit of a poof tbf.

Your from wales. What did you ever contribute to the world lol.

[remadon1]

TotalAnarchyUK did you visit the g-20 rally?

[steer]

Your from wales. What did you ever contribute to the world lol.

Sheep and Love :)

[new_elite]

also comedy they have the funnyest accents ever i love welsh people

[Phoenix Fire]

They also taste like chicken.

[new_elite]

ill take your word for it

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Sheep and Love :)

And also mixing those 2 things together lol. I cant talk really, Iam from yorkshire.

[rlc211com]

I'd say its between America, Russia, and China...

[pancakes]

all these people that are saying china just no... yeah their army might be very large but when your dropping bombs on their asses like its mother fucking Hiroshima then honestly i think its nothing.

[new_elite]

this thread was dead as a door knob...

[freetibet]

I'm gonna go with the USA.

I think even all those other countries would agree with me.

[Ignis_Divine]

Hello, i saw this thread, read through and decided to register and all that just so i could make my response. I do apologize in advance for the length of my post and do hope to have an interesting discussion.

germany has GSG9... and rangers cant compare to the SAS, SAS taught delta force which is above rangers

Actually the Ranger program is comparable to the British SAS due to the fact it was made to be the American Version of the British Commado Program. During WW2 American generals saw how effective small, highly trained, tactical units could be used to take objectives that larger more conventional forces would have difficulty doing. Thus Army Infantry soldiers were sent to Scotland to be trained by British Commandos. As to SAS teaching Delta Force soldiers, that is in relation only to its inception as it was started by a Colonel Charles Beckwith who trained with the Bristish SAS during an Officer Exchange program. As for present day training. I lived at Ft. Bragg N.C. for 10 years. I never saw a member of the British Military in my time there.

For best military technology America doesn't come close, all the best stuff is designed by other countries and either bought or stolen, Shit man Railguns, Anti matter, Chemical lasers, Lasers in general, That crazy black hole generator and can someone help me out?

I am guessing from your sentence that you are stating that American technology is in fact not advanced and that we steal or purchase military and technical upgrades from other countries. Really? Off the top of my head. Railguns, I think you are talking about the "Gauss" Classification not the Trains with Artillery pieces attached. We build them ourselves. Anti Matter, Antimatter is said to be the most costly substance in existence, with an estimated cost of $62.5 trillion per gram. As a weapon, not cost effective. I could buy a country to fight my war for me for that price. Lasers, We pay companies to make them (Northrop G's Firestrike) or do it ourselves (MIRACL by the USN and PHaSR by the USAF) Black Hole Generator, Are you referring to the Hadron Collider? If it is not, I have no idea what you are referring to. If it is, it is not something that could be used as a weapon.

Also

I word EMP, one generated by a nuclear fission would fuck America.

Because our entire system is based on electronic devices and internet servers.
If electronics wen't down here we would be screwed.
We don't even keep written backups of shit anymore.

EMP waves are indeed quite useful for disruption and infrastructure attacks. As long as it hits an object that is unshielded its toast. Only problem is, here in the U.S. Anything that is important, such as Major Financial Information (I.R.S. Building) or Major Defense Buildings (NORAD) Their servers and Main computers are hardlined and protected. You can make a Faraday box at home and it would shield items from an EMP. Written backups are maintained on all matters of things, from Social security to Banking Financial Transactions to Military Orders. So an EMP wave based attack alone would only affect the civilian population, while that would cause many problems, would not cause all of the U.S. to be fucked.

Who was so ignorant to vote Israel or Britian, their country is so small we could bomb them out in matter or weeks... I'm also suprised no one voted China, they are believed to have a 1.8 million man standing army.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country_detail.asp?country_id=4

If the last 30 years have showed us anything, size of countries is not the only thing that matters in Military conflict. Israel fought the 6 day war. 1 country against officially 3 other countries that surrounded it, Egypt, Jordan, and Syria (and those countries received Troops and equipment from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria). So 1 country versus a host of other countries and they come out victorious. They created the concept of Pre-emptive strikes. Britain is a world power for a reason. I have heard the argument that "We should just bomb (insert name) into dust and be done with it" so many times its really quite sad. The concept of Total war is not something you can take likely. War and Military Threat are both political tools. Completely. The threat of war is an essential part of Diplomatic talks. You can not wage a scorched earth war and expect the enemy to go, "Since you are going to destroy everything, i surrender." The enemy will fight to the end like the Japanese Military and civilian populations did during the Island Hopping campaigns of ww2. If you burn down a mans home, livliehood, and family, he no longer has anything to live for, but he has something to die for: Revenge. Also China is a viable military power. They are using their new status as an economic juggernaut and funding both Infrastructure and Military doctrines. The concept of over 1 million+ Infantry, all with automatic rifles shooting is not something i would want to face in a conventional ground war.

On the bright side, I like the attitude many Americans have toward their soldiers.
In Canada here, I get called a babykiller sometimes if I'm walking down the street in uniform.

That is always a sad day, when your populace does not even understand the motivations or reasons of why you put on your uniform and place yourself between them and harm. And its not always nice here in the states. take a look at the Westboro Baptist Church. They go to ServiceMen Funerals and say things like, Thank God for IED's or Your Son is in Hell" and they are protected by the Constitution that we fight to defend. Life is just kinda sad that way.

QUOTE=carnage59;251933]this is a quote on page four
i don't know if people in the USA know this or not but the last war the US and Canada had canada won and kicked th USA out of canada and won the war
but the last war was almost 200 years ago so things have cahnged abit but we still won the last war between USA and Canada[/QUOTE]

Now this may not be true, (I.E. how it is explained in Canada) but to my understanding, Canada did not become a separate country until 1867 with the passage of the first British North America Act. If that is the case we fought Britain in the war of 1812 in its Canadian Territories, not Canada. Not to undermine the Canadian people and their pride but we were fighting Britain for a variety of different reasons (Impressment, supplying Indians with weapons to hamper U.S. expansion, and block trade with France).

MOre to come after the break. (man my hand is cramping)

[Ignis_Divine]

The SAS are the most experianced, oldest, and best trained special forces unit in the world. Your army is way below other western nations, the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia have you beat there. Armoured Cavalry? Hmmm.. not sure about that one. And marines? Definatly not lol.. The Royal Marine training and courses are the hardest in the world and train for longer than any other infantry force in the world before they are accepted. Americans on the front line have it easier than other nations, you have kit coming out of your ears, you fight a war in comfort thus making you softer when the shit hits the fan.
Have no doubt though, you are the strongest military in the world. I dont think any other nation 1-1 could win a sustained war against you partly due to your massive firepower capabilities, airforce and navy. The United Kingdoms SAS, Army, and Royal Marines are all supierior to your eqivilant, but before we could even have a chance to use them, your air force and navy would of turned your opposition to a smoking crator. Military simulations and combat excersises with say 10 SAS vs 10 Delta, UK all the way. War? USA everytime, and thats why Iam glad to call the USA an Ally.

I do agree with you on the expanded roles of both Air Force and Navy and their impacts of the vastly changing face of war. But there are a few disagreements as well. I am sure we can all agree that the SAS are very awesome they are not the oldest SF, that actually belongs to the Germans, They had the Brandenburger Regiment, which in 1939 was formed to sabotage, could operate behind enemy lines and wreak havoc with the enemy’s command, communication and logistics. British Army Commandos and US Army Rangers would follow in 1942 respectively. As for British Royal Marines being the Hardest and Longest in the world, i have to see numbers or examples of training before that is accepted out of hand. I know U.S. Marine Training is a Minimum 151/2-19 weeks for basic training and combat training (more if you are an Infantry job class). A handy site i found is http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marinejoin/a/marinebasic.html, since i am not a Marine this is a good overview of what some of the Challenges a US Marine goes though(Their Army Articles were spot on so i would think their other articles would be satisfactory as well.) I have met some Royal Army Soldiers while in Afghanistan, nice guys, I am sure i could take them in a fight however. It depends on the men who step up. I am sure their are plenty of men in the British Army who could wipe the floor with me. I have been in Combat and i have yet to ever have it easy while on the front line. Combat is a hell of a place and if you are soft, you do not walk away. Granted we have a leg up on a lot of our adversaries, GPS, Rangefinders and Ca***backs do make it easier to continue soldiering but i do not believe that makes us soft. As for Other Western Nations having a better army, in what way? I need a qualitative example. Finally the 10 SAS vs 10 Delta forces fight. When did this happen? Is this a real fight or a Hypothetical situation? What if we substitued the Delta force guys for someoe else like SEALS or FOrce Recon or hell even Air Force Combat Controllers. The thing that makes our Special Forces great is that we have a Team for every situation. You have a country that needs destabalizing you get Rangers, you have a terroists in a office building you get SEALS or DELTA, you have a Coastal town that needs neutralized you get Force Recon, you need every enemy gun emplacment, AA gun, barracks, and communication hub targeted and neutralized as soon as your armies hit the border you got Combat Controller.

Well that just about does it for me. I know i ruffled a few feathers and probably will get flamed here in a moment but i do think that the only way someone can learn and expand thier knowledge is if someone is counter to thier stance. I do look foward to discussing any matters with all of you.

Also i alluded to my time in the Service. I am a member of the US Army, 82 Airborne, 3BCT, 505th PIR currently on leave to see my folks. Well talk to you all soon.

[new_elite]

I dont understand why everyone thinks the SAS is the only SF we have. We also have the SBS wich is far better trained than the SAS. A hand full of the SBS can do the same job as 100 regular troops.

SAS = Army/RAF Regement SF
SBS = Royal Marine/Royal Navy Mine Clearence Divers SF

[Count Chocula]

OMIGOD ENGLAND HAS AN ARMY!??!? THAT'S SO CUTE!!!!!
This thread is about superpowers. While I'm not denying SAS and SBS kick ass, England can't compare with the US Army. Basically US, China, and Russia are the only superpowers.

[new_elite]

Its not England, its Britain just for the record

[Xon]

But Count is right.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Lol. If the US military was so great then why have they not won a major conflict without foriegn aid?

[Xon]

We could have won any war without support from other countries, but if we did, everyone would have called us bullies and shit, so we got support from others and that way we weren't the one to conquer everyone.

Its politics, not military power that you are talking about.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

When you where left on your own (or with very little foriegn support) aka vietnam, you got your arses handed to you.

[Xon]

Because we were not allowed to attack because other governments (aka you people) wouldn't let us. So we stood on the front lines with our hands tied behind our back.

Don't be so naive about this.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

We wouldnt let you attack? How so?

[Xon]

Politically. Not physically.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

The UK had little involvement in the Vietnam war.

Nobody stopped you doing anything, you fought the war and lost. Politics never came into it. There may have been opposition to your war effort at home and abroad but you still fought a war did you not?

[Xon]

Wow, you really don't understand. What do they teach you over there.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Hah. We were never taught about the Vietnam war.

Care to explain the UKs involvement in it?

[Xon]

Political or military?

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Both .

[Xon]

Oh, my gosh...

um... Let me find the necessary links, I really don't want to write the whole damn story.

[AlbertWesker]

China because their military has 200 million people.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Numbers mean fuck all in a war nowadays.

[Count Chocula]

Ausfags were involved in Nam dunno bout UK. But we have almost enough nukes to turn the US into an island. Believe me a war between the US-EU would last all of 20 minutes if politics were not part of the equation. We could win Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran/Venezuela/North Korea without any major problems if politics and international law were not part of the equation. Then we could invade Vietnam and conquer the fuck out of them too.

[Xon]

Thank you count, you are correct.

[Count Chocula]

implying that I'm ever wrong
Fuck you.

[Hebrow]

I doubt America could forcibly occupy that many hostile nations.

Statistics say that you should have a 3:1 ratio of Your soldier's garrisoned VS Hostile Citizens.

And c'mon, lets look at determination. Who is going to fight harder? A standard, Steel tempered American G.I. fighting for American Imperialism, or someone who's home, friends, and families are on the line.

We thought the VC were afraid of death.

We were wrong.

And if we think that if we were to just walk into Iran or North Korea, win the war and say, "GG, so you'll all stop shooting cuz we took t3h H-Kyoo right?"

We couldn't sustain occupancy for more than a few years without completely exhausting ourselves.

[Count Chocula]

How'd the Nazis manage to hold down Eastern Europe until the invasion? Believe me, modern day US Army following Nazi rules could occupy any of those third and second world countries. Torture, mass executions, and military terrorism are effective methods. Just disallowed.

[Ignis_Divine]

Ausfags were involved in Nam dunno bout UK. But we have almost enough nukes to turn the US into an island. Believe me a war between the US-EU would last all of 20 minutes if politics were not part of the equation. We could win Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran/Venezuela/North Korea without any major problems if politics and international law were not part of the equation. Then we could invade Vietnam and conquer the fuck out of them too.

A Nuclear war between the U.S. and the E.U would be quite one sided. If you combined all your stockpiles together you have 460 (160 UK, 300 France) Active Nuclear weapons. The United states has 2,700 Active Nuclear weapons. Now granted under NATO we have given Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands Nuclear Warheads under the NATO Nuclear weapons sharing, but they are still ours and in U.S. Military possession at all times (so we do not break NPT rules). So if the EU has enough Nuclear weapons to make the U.S. an Island, we have enough to make the EU look like the man in the moon. But hopefully this will never come to pass, as we have all seen the 1983 Classic Wargames starring Matthew Broderick. No one wins the Nuclear War game, or the Russian M.A.D. if you want.

That and your plans for conquest of Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran/Venezuela/North Korea do sound like fun. Only problem is the Logistics and Planning of it. Since no politics and you want to keep the land you conquer we are going to rule out simple nuking them all to hell and go with Conventional All Out Total Warfare.
-But if you attack Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran in a Total War styled Conflict, i am pretty sure you get the entire Middle East launching pre-emptive strikes and Jihads against your new real estate. Why do you think we spent so much time from 9/11/01 to the Invasion of Afghanistan(08/07/01) just waiting. We sent diplomats and CIA into all the neigh*****g countries and tribes, making promises not to hurt them if they just stayed out. Same thing in Iraq (03/30/03). If we just walked in all guns a blazing 9/12/01, we would have been attacked by the entire region. This is probably why we are not moving into Iran, i think they see the pattern developing. And don't say we need time to fully mobilize. The 82nd(W00t) and 101st can deploy anywhere in the world in 72 hrs.
-So lets say, attack North Korea in a Total War Styled Conflict, you get China wanting their buffer zone between them and a U.S. back South Korea and Japan. I do not know if you have ever been to the Korean Peninsula, but this is not cakewalk terrain. Nothing but Mountains and Valleys. No rolling fields, no major open areas, just Mountains and Valleys. My time overseas, you learn about things called Chop Blocks. Solid Steel Blocks placed at the narrow points in the valleys. Invading army with tanks are coming down your road? Drop the Chop Block. Tanks and Mechanized Infantry must now find a new route. So the War in Korea will not be fun. Probably why its not over yet.
-Venezuela...Well you could probably take Venezuela, but not sure why you want it. Unless the U.S. decides to intervene due to the Monroe Doctrine, For any Country besides the U.S. invading South America(Funny and a bit Hypocritical, i know, but it is on the books). But if you do manage to kick the crap out of all these countries and still beat the hell out of the Vietnamese, power to you. You truly are the Greatest Military Superpower.

I wrote this is a bit of an Over-Agressive tone, I do apologize now that i re-read it. I basically outline my argument arguing a U.S. VS E.U. mind set. When i say us or we, i mean as the U.S. and you or your i mean the E.U.. Just from the quote above, it sounds like Count is arguing from a state outside the U.S. and he mentions the E.U. so i argued from the U.S. side of the argument. (Apologies if you are from the U.S. or did not mean to style your response in the way)

[Count Chocula]

You sound like you know your shit. Enjoy your probably very short stay, as the sea of DESERT EAGLE SNIPER RIFLE CLIPS FOR A .45MM DESERT EAGLE will surely bury you.

ETA: "We" meaning the US. Europe ain't got shit on us.

[Ignis_Divine]

yeah i was writing a clarification when you posted. Again i apologize for making an assumption. That and i do not want to be shot, it is very counter to my goal of living forever.

[skull]

Four words: UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/nwmaximus/USMC.jpg?t=1249137118

[TotalAnarchyUK]

If you are suggesting that the US would win a war against a unified Europe your a fucking arrogant cunt.

[Count Chocula]

Four words: UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/nwmaximus/USMC.jpg?t=1249137118
Want to hear a story?
My Dad was drafted and sent to Vietnam. When he was called to a processing station to take the ASVAB test, the drill sergeant yelled to the whole group of people: "DON'T TRY TO FAIL THIS TEST TO GET OUT OF GOING TO WAR. IF YOU FUCK THIS TEST UP, YOU'RE IN THE MARINES." This statement remains true to this day.

[Count Chocula]

If you are suggesting that the US would win a war against a unified Europe your a fucking arrogant cunt.
I'm saying that the US unrestricted by laws of war and politics at home could win a war against anyone except Russia and China. Europe would be easy to occupy with the exception of Switzerland.

[Xon]

Count is right TAUK, Europe does not have any military power if say the geneva convention was gone.

[systematic_chaos]

But if there wasn't any international law prohibiting the use of nuclear warfare then anyone with nuclear weapons could win a war, not just America. =/

America has the big toys, China has the most people, Russia is just Russia.
American troops are highly trained, Chinese troops are extre***y disciplined, Russian troops are Russian troops.

The three competing military powers excel in different areas of warfare. In the long run, however, America couldn't win a war because they're too broke. It'd simply be a matter of them going all out and destroying their adversaries.

But if you're talking about occupation, it isn't plausible.

Don't misunderstand though, the American war machine as a whole is devastating. But unbound by international law...any of the three main war machines are devastating.

[Ignis_Divine]

An honest to god, Nuclear war is probably the dumbest thing that could ever happen. Period. You cannot occupy land you cannot walk into. you cannot secure a perimeter or establish a front line if it gets blasted to radioactive vapor. Have you ever heard of the ENDGAME scenario? it will not be on Google. I heard this from a friend of my father while we were in Korea drinking a few years back, 2006 if i remember right. It was right around the time N.Korea announced they were working on their nuclear program and detonated a test bomb already. So Me, my father and his buddy who never out right said it but was an NSA analyst were drinking and talking about what would happen if N.Korea would launch a nuclear attack on S.Korea or the U.S. He talks about how if anything ever happened, like our capital or say USPACOM went up in a flash, we would initiate our "EndGame" procedure. He did not say what the targets where or anything he just talked about how we would not sit and go gently into the night. We are prepared and able to take the world with us if need be. Then we talked about other stuff, but it was kind of a buzz kill to think about it. I mean the Russians have their M.A.D. plan (Mutually Assured Destruction), but to think we have one too because we honestly believe someone is willing to start a nuclear war is just depressing as hell.

A lot of people will call bullshit on the story, i would too if i was you. It seems dumb to have a plan like that in place but i am sure, every nation with nuclear arsenals has a plan just like this, just changed to meet how many weapons they have.

[skull]

Want to hear a story?
My Dad was drafted and sent to Vietnam. When he was called to a processing station to take the ASVAB test, the drill sergeant yelled to the whole group of people: "DON'T TRY TO FAIL THIS TEST TO GET OUT OF GOING TO WAR. IF YOU FUCK THIS TEST UP, YOU'RE IN THE MARINES." This statement remains true to this day.
Um, actually the marines require the 2nd highest ASVAB test score of a minimum of 30 to qualify now a days. the first is the air force with a 32, then coast guard at 28, navy and army then at 26 (as of 2007 when I took it). Back then it was different, but you might want to look up some credible info before you assume something and post it.

[Count Chocula]

Here's a pattern anyone who has spoken to marines can tell you: Marines are not intelligent people.

[Xon]

Um, actually the marines require the 2nd highest ASVAB test score of a minimum of 30 to qualify now a days. the first is the air force with a 32, then coast guard at 28, navy and army then at 26 (as of 2007 when I took it). Back then it was different, but you might want to look up some credible info before you assume something and post it.

It is changed. I took it, dec 2008 and passing was 51 for a few branches. But the fact is, marines may take the smarter ones, but they don't give them any more intelligence in training. I know a few of them personally. They are not the brightest. Just more trained physically.

(To get a 30 on the ASVAB means that you are mentally retarded, FYI)

Here's a pattern anyone who has spoken to marines can tell you: Marines are not intelligent people.

He speaks the truth.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Count is right TAUK, Europe does not have any military power if say the geneva convention was gone.

Please explain. Will europes tanks, airforce and army vanish if the geneva convention was disbanded?

[skull]

Here's a pattern anyone who has spoken to marines can tell you: Marines are not intelligent people.

But, then how do marines always win their battles and still manage to save the army's ass?

I've talked to plenty of marines, some infantry, some recon, some logistics, and they represent their branch by force, not intelligence. That's how it works in the real war zones, you are the best if you have the highest kill ratio. Plus the marines train you as a rifleman in basic, all the other branches just train you on how to shoot it (that being the M16A2/A4) and clean it, not kill a man at 600 yards w/ your rifle. Now that's smart, so you just don't look like you are a combatant, you are.

and Xon? what did you get on your ASVAB? I got a 83, and I'll scan my test scores and post it to prove it if you can prove yours.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Skull, I get the feeling that you think the USMC is the be-all and end-all of infantry unit in the world lol.

They are not.

[Xon]

Skull, I got a 97, and if I find the paper work, I will scan it to prove it to you.

@TAUK, without restrictions, US would fuck Europe over easy just because we have more. Then again, China could kill us by sheer numbers.

[skull]

Skull, I get the feeling that you think the USMC is the be-all and end-all of infantry unit in the world lol.

They are not.

Um, I never said they where, you guys were talking trash about them, so I was defending their name. I basically said "here are the marines, there fuckin good." and that's it. then you basically shit all over them for no reason. now the famous question "what did I do to you in the first place?"

[Xon]

We were just giving you a real world aspect of them. They are good, but I have seen better.

[skull]

We were just giving you a real world aspect of them. They are good, but I have seen better.
alright, please explain?

[Xon]

There are specialists in any field that are better than a marine.

[skull]

There are specialists in any field that are better than a marine.
But there are specialists in the marines better other branches. I'm done w/ this argument. c ya

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Xon I dont think you have any fucking concept of war.

[Anarchist394]

America has the greatest technology and yes, the Israelly military is partly funded by the U.S. so they have the some of the same weapons.

[new_elite]

Just as a side note Scotland founded the US Navy

[Xon]

Xon I dont think you have any fucking concept of war.

Ha ha. Unfortuneately I do, but I dislike all of the, how should I say it, tied hands. This makes war pointless to me. But I am a big fan of ancient war. Modern war is to socialized for me.

[Count Chocula]

I've talked to plenty of marines, some infantry, some recon, some logistics, and they represent their branch by force, not intelligence. That's how it works in the real war zones, you are the best if you have the highest kill ratio. Plus the marines train you as a rifleman in basic, all the other branches just train you on how to shoot it (that being the M16A2/A4) and clean it, not kill a man at 600 yards w/ your rifle. Now that's smart, so you just don't look like you are a combatant, you are.

Yes that is true. Marines are fucking amazing on rifles. However....










But, then how do marines always win their battles and still manage to save the army's ass?
http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/excuse_me.jpg

[Xon]

Ha ha ha ha ha.....

[Ignis_Divine]

Just as a side note Scotland founded the US Navy

Um. I would not tell the Navy that. They are pretty stoked about established October 13, 1775. So before the Declaration of Independence, so we had a Navy before we were an official country.

But still. So is there at least a consensus for the top 5 Military Powerhouses in the World?

[Count Chocula]

1. US
2. China or Russia
3. China or Russia
4. ???????
5. ???????

[new_elite]

Um. I would not tell the Navy that. They are pretty stoked about established October 13, 1775. So before the Declaration of Independence, so we had a Navy before we were an official country.

http://www.magicdragon.com/Wallace/thingscot.html

[Ignis_Divine]

He joined the continental navy in 1775. He was not a founding member of it. He was the first officer of the Navy to be commissioned as a 1st Lt. Besides that, he is of Scottish descent, so it would not be Scotland who founded the U.S. Navy but a man of Scottish descent (even though he did not establish the U.S. Navy). So the Navy was established on October 13, 1775. John Paul Jones received his commission as a 1st Lt. on December 7, 1775. So you see my problem with that.

[new_elite]

nope i do not!?

[Xon]

wow, this thread went to shit....

[Ninjaofdeth]

germany has GSG9... and rangers cant compare to the SAS, SAS taught delta force which is above rangers

1SFOD-D is easily as good. doesn't matter who trained who, that was 30 years ago.

also the US has SEAL team 6/DEVGRU/NSWDG

i wanna know how the US FBI HRT stacks up against Delta and SAS in hostage rescue, because although HRT was taught by Delta and the SAS they were also trained by the US Navy SEALs, the GSG9 and other elite groups, so it would be like a ***ting pot of elite tactics

sorry if there was anything about this past the first page....too damn long to read all of the posts

[pissed_drunk666]

well the strongest countries would have to be:
1)US-weapon:Chuck Norris
2)Japan-weapon:Godzilla
3)China-weapon:Jackie Chan
if those countries ever come across eachother
were pretty much all fucked

[Knight of Liberty]

America has the best military but we just don't know how to use it.

[Xon]

This thread is going to shit.... I think I might close it. I will give it a week. If you post something, do so intellegently.

[ravenscar]

america has ships within striking distance of every country at every time,we have missiles that can span the whole world, our sp forces are responsible for saving some sas assholes in desert storm, and once a b2 stealth bomber is in the air, youre going to get fucked by the spirit of mussuri or witchever they send.
either way, we win

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Ravenscar, your a fucking idiot.

[ravenscar]

explain??.......

[Xon]

Unfortunately ravenscar might have a valid point in there somewhere...

[skull]

Unfortunately ravenscar might have a valid point in there somewhere...
Too bad he's banned.

[Xon]

Ah... that he is... wow. I wondered when that was going to happen. Sooner than I thought though.

[ravenscar]

im back though, please tell me my valid points, i was hallucinating then

[Xon]

First, how did you come back... and second, how did you get ban?

[ravenscar]

only a ten day ban, somthin bout not following forum rules

[Xon]

forum rules? I didn't realize this place had rules...

[ravenscar]

the anarchist said theres no rules, so i belived him

[Xon]

and there are?

[ravenscar]

yes apperantly there in the stickys

[Xon]

Oh, yeah, those rules... whose did you break?

[ravenscar]

probbobly maggots,

[Xon]

maggots? what?

[ravenscar]

maggotfeind

[Xon]

what forum?

[xDarryl]

New Zealand, we have a lot of stuff you's don't hear about.

[ravenscar]

pyro i think

[Xon]

How did you get ban from the entire forum?

[ravenscar]

hell if i know

[Xon]

okay .

[Donny_Baker]

i am not saying all other countries special forces are crap but the USA has the most special forces. SEALS, Rangers, Green berets, Delta Force, Air force combat controllers. also if you look at it most of our special forces teach the other countries stuff. but that goes both ways also. SAS is real good too. same with the Israeli special forces. just opinion though on my part not really facts. but i would have to agree with a post earlier USA is not number one if you dont consider size. ratio wise i would say we are just above average.

[MyUsername]

obviously USA, I fail to see how anyone could question this

[Xon]

Because some people are idiots....

[graham4877]

wow wow USA come on ( The run in and think later) tut tut tut! yes the USA has loads of this and that and money but that don't mean shit! "Skill and tactics" witch us brit's have!! and the world tried to copy us. As for this>( USA has the most special forces. SEALS, Rangers, Green berets, Delta Force, Air force combat controllers ) The UK has of course SAS, SBS, Pathfinder, Royal Marine's ,Paras, ect ect and the other groups that are not in the public domain!! How do i no that well do a search on Chris Ryan and where he was born EX SAS then do a search on goggle maps and find out where my post/zip code NE16 is in the uk? or here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Ryan ) I would have one SAS over 100 USASF ANY fucking day!! maps > ( http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=bjI&q=ne16+maps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=uk&ei=XoqiSqTGM42L-QaI0MTRDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 )

[Xon]

Ha ha... man, it is all fucking relative. We have more, yours are more qualified.... I bet I could still find some to compete with yours.

[graham4877]

Ha ha... man, it is all fucking relative. We have more, yours are more qualified.... I bet I could still find some to compete with yours.

X i like you mate but come on you's cant be the best at every thing! In skill we are the best by far!! FULL STOP!!!!!!!!!

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Its typical american arrogance to think they are the best at everything..

[Hebrow]

Every armed forces has a few shining stars...
Shit, look at The White Feather Sniper that the USMC churned out in 'Nam.

The man was a killing machine, AND risked his own life to save the rest of his squad in a burning truck.

If he hadn't sacrificed himself, he would still be a combat terror for his term.

Look at Yonaton Netanyahu, the IDF commando that was in charge of Operation Solomon for the hostage rescue operations in Ethiopia.

Slaughtered his way through Black September and ended as the only mission casualty to preserve the mission objectives.

[graham4877]

Its typical american arrogance to think they are the best at everything..

Dam right's mate!! But it is also that same arrogance that gets them killed!! Now just face it we are the world leaders in tack ticks!! And at a time inventions + Any ideas we have had or something we make the USA steels!! who made the first jets ( us ) well the Germans did but we were the first to have them fully up and running and in action!! who was the first to land on a carrier with a jet ( us ) who solved the problems with space on the carriers mainly the Y shaped deck's ( us ) Its go's on and on! Oh OH OH who found the USA US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! You may have numbers but it dont mean shit!! + your country is fucked now with Obama in office!! The USSR ( or whatever they call them self's now ) will launch a nuke and Obarma will just sit back an wounder what to do!! He's to soft!! + How can a country be he dog's when they cant find one man ( osama bin laden)Yes The worlds hide and seek champion!! + What sort of ppl let the family leave the country or better still help them leave !! after 911??? FUBAR!!!

[Xon]

Graham and TAUK, I didn't say we were the best, I said we could find a few to "compete" with you all. I doubt our standards are as hard as yours...

And graham, who invented the nuke? I could go on and on in this too, so don't quote stupid shit like that too me...

[graham4877]

einstein when he was in the uk!!! so us !! I was on about other dumb ass on here! say that they were better!! http://www.tcnj.edu/~magazine/07Fall/images/einstein_000.jpg

[Xon]

Ha ha... sure whatever man. Its not worth try to talk to something who's mind is so made up already...

And I believe Oppenheimer did....


On August 2, 1939, just before the beginning of World War II, Albert Einstein wrote to then President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Einstein and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi Germany to purify uranium-235, which could be used to build an atomic bomb. It was shortly thereafter that the United States Government began the serious undertaking known then only as "The Manhattan Project." Simply put, the Manhattan Project was committed to expediting research that would produce a viable atomic bomb.
Making Enriched Uranium

The most complicated issue to be addressed in making of an atomic bomb was the production of ample amounts of "enriched" uranium to sustain a chain reaction. At the time, uranium-235 was very hard to extract. In fact, the ratio of conversion from uranium ore to uranium metal is 500:1. Compounding this, the one part of uranium that is finally refined from the ore is over 99% uranium-238, which is practically useless for an atomic bomb. To make the task even more difficult, the useful U-235 and nearly useless U-238 are isotopes, nearly identical in their chemical makeup. No ordinary chemical extraction method could separate them; only mechanical methods could work.
A massive enrichment laboratory/plant was constructed at Oak *****, Tennessee. Harold Urey and his colleagues at Columbia University devised an extraction system that worked on the principle of gaseous diffusion, and Ernest Lawrence (inventor of the Cyclotron) at the University of California in Berkeley implemented a process involving magnetic separation of the two isotopes.

Next, a gas centrifuge was used to further separate the lighter U-235 from the heavier, non-fissionable U-238. Once all of these procedures had been completed, all that needed to be done was to put to the test the entire concept behind atomic fission ("splitting the atom," in layman's terms).

Robert Oppenheimer - Manhattan Project

Over the course of six years, from 1939 to 1945, more than $2 billion was spent during the history of the Manhattan Project. The formulas for refining uranium and putting together a working atomic bomb were created and seen to their logical ends by some of the greatest minds of our time. Chief among the people who unleashed the power of the atom was Robert Oppenheimer, who oversaw the project from conception to completion.

Yes, they used Einstein's theories, but Einstein didn't make it....

The US made the first bomb...

[TotalAnarchyUK]

The US made the first bomb...

The research for the first atomic weapon was split bewteen the US, the UK and Canada. They had over 30 research and production sites working to build this bomb in said countries. The US was leading the project, and most of the funding came from the US. And after we helped you build the Atom bomb, you helped us build our first hydrogen bomb.

To try and end this shit about UK vs US. We would lose in a war with the US. Probably very badly. Your marine core is bigger than our entire land army. You outnumber us, have more support for your men, more tanks, more fighters, more subs, more warships. Our soldiers are better trained and some of our kit might be better (we can brew tea on the back of our armoured vehicles, beat that lol) but that is irrevelant when you consider the size differences bewteen our military and yours.

[hdeuce]

No insult to the uk, But the us's arrogance is also what keeps you brits alive,in alot of wars. If we weren't arrogant enough as to believe we should, and could enter into world war 1 to protect europe sooner or later europe would have been entirely lost to communism. Also, World war II.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

No insult to the uk, But the us's arrogance is also what keeps you brits alive,in alot of wars. If we weren't arrogant enough as to believe we should, and could enter into world war 1 to protect europe sooner or later europe would have been entirely lost to communism. Also, World war II.

America helped the UK in 2 major wars, not "alot" of wars. In both WW1 and WW2 they were not commited from the start, joining in after a few years.. Last in, First Out. Your talking shit mate.

If anybody needs anyone, you need us. You havent won a major war without us.

[the art of revenge]

i think the biggest super power is they that control the money to use what ever country serves their purpose and plans.

[Count Chocula]

Can we have a decent thread on this fucking forum or do they all have to turn into nigger on wheels like this. If you really think the UK could win a war against the US then congratulations: you're a fucking idiot. The UK has NO WORLDWIDE POLITICAL POWER WHATSOEVER. The US, even with Obama, can still boss the little countries around with few exceptions like Venezuela and North Korea. NO COUNTRY LISTENS TO THE UK. Get that through your thick, toothless, fish and chips eating skulls. We may all be dumb fatties, but we're still the big dick in international affairs.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

No wonder the entire world despises you.

[Count Chocula]

http://neaga.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/hurt-feelings-report.jpg


That is why the whole world despises us. Why should I give a shit?

[Xon]

Thank you count for your honorable defense...


Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the UK has never won a modern war...

[Timotea]

USA

Look at russia, They copy everything that the USA has and nothing is original.

USA is the leader in war tech, They might not have all the bodies China has but they have the Tech to have 1 man destroy 100 of their bodies.

USA should simply be renamed PWN

[Timotea]

And just to add to note.

Canada has not done anything to the USA, The whole white house burning? It was the Britians who were occupying Canada via the way.

The Brits were indeed a bad ass military but they underestimated and in the last centuries been surpaseed by the USA and their advances.

I have respect for the Brits to this day and I honestly say they definitly are second best. It took some sort of miracle for the Brits to hold off in WW2 before the USA and the other countries came into the war and not fall to the Blitz.





Random Fact:

[Count Chocula]

Second best
dohohohohohohohohohohoho

[Vaux]

And just to add to note.

Canada has not done anything to the USA, The whole white house burning? It was the Britians who were occupying Canada via the way.

The Brits were indeed a bad ass military but they underestimated and in the last centuries been surpaseed by the USA and their advances.

I have respect for the Brits to this day and I honestly say they definitly are second best. It took some sort of miracle for the Brits to hold off in WW2 before the USA and the other countries came into the war and not fall to the Blitz.





Random Fact:

i respect the brits myself germany was a great force to hold off.. i only hope the britts will be there when the american people need it....

as for greatest superpower hands down america . america is no longer considered a super power( france germany england russia china, are super powers) america is something above that an ultimate power?


i mean america is unbalanced by an enemy and that scares me, as an american citizen. the power of america is too great. and too great only leads to downfall.

[Count Chocula]

France Germany and England are industrialized countries with well funded armed forces. They are not superpowers. Superpowers use their military to exert dominance over all countries except other superpowers. The only superpowers in this world are Russia, China, and the US.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Thank you count for your honorable defense...


Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the UK has never won a modern war...

The falklands war. Which we won. On our own.

[Count Chocula]

Awwwwww man... if I had seen it I would have posted in b4 falklands. Congratulations you won a war against Argentina. That's a little bit like winning a war against France, sweetie. Need a tissue?

Maggie Thatcher needed a bump in the polls so she invades some shithole South American country over a shithole South American island and stirs up the bullshit patriotism you British idiots still have. I'm not a flag waving moron like Xonnybear but I'm not stupid enough to deny that the United States is a superpower and the UK is absolutely irrelevant on the international stage.

Also, you'd have had better luck saying NORHTRN IERLAND WE FOUHGT AN INSURGANCY GOOD USA SUX AT IRAQ

[Clk147]

Navy seals my friend... Navy seals...marines... even the rangers...... go to youtube and watch some of their basic training... We are the elite.

[Count Chocula]

Every other fucking idiot in this thread posts about SF. We know SF is fucking good thanks very much. They matter very little in the grand scheme of whether a country is a superpower or not. North Korea is known for exceptional special forces.

[Xon]

Fuck, count, you got to it before I could...

And about the flag waving xonny comment, I will let that pass since you think similar to me.

[TotalAnarchyUK]

Awwwwww man... if I had seen it I would have posted in b4 falklands. Congratulations you won a war against Argentina. That's a little bit like winning a war against France, sweetie. Need a tissue?

Hey, listen you cunt, Xon said he didnt know of a modern war Britain had won and I informed him of one that we fucking did. Never mentioned anything about the scale of said win. Thats another show of USA arrogance. Underestimating the enemy.

Maggie Thatcher needed a bump in the polls so she invades some shithole South American country over a shithole South American island and stirs up the bullshit patriotism you British idiots still have.

We never invaded anybody. The falklands where invaded, and the UK responded. Bullshit patriotism? You fucking yanks are the most patriotic country in the world. Over what? England has a long and bloody military history, we have been fighting wars for nearly a 1000 years.

I'm not a flag waving moron like Xonnybear but I'm not stupid enough to deny that the United States is a superpower and the UK is absolutely irrelevant on the international stage.

No. The UK still holds power in international situations. Not as much as it used to, but still has some power. Both world wars financially weakened us from which we have never fully recovered but we are still the 5th richest country in the world. Thats impressive considering our small size, population and the fact that we have few natural resources left. And dont forget, we sell more of our exports to the USA then any other country.

Also, you'd have had better luck saying NORHTRN IERLAND WE FOUHGT AN INSURGANCY GOOD USA SUX AT IRAQ

The USA did fail in Iraq. You have lost over 4,000 young men over what?. The USA prepared for the Iraq war as a lightning fast invasion not the guerilla warfare it has become. Your troops are driving big fuckoff hummers around thin narrow streets so crowded with rubbish its hard to tell where a potential IED is. Big vehicles like that draw fire, and they are hardly bulletproof. You should of learned from the mistakes that nations have made for hundreds of years including Northern Ireland. Many young british lads died for nothing. They where ill-prepared, as your troops are now.

[Xon]

Fuck... closing thread since this is turning into a flame war unless someone objects and gives me a good fucking reason not to...

[rimmellondon27]

http://www.anarchistcookbook.com/picture.php?albumid=1965&pictureid=713


USA!!!!! fuck america hail hitler i dont digg america even tho i reside here for now untill i get enough money to take over the world or enough power to kill everyone

[Xon]

... closing thread ...