Science or Religion

[cstrikehero]

Tell me what you think you know about EVOLUTION, and provide definite proof, im tired of Wikipedia, history channel, and TV in general..

Definite website links of sites other than Wikipedia..
this is for "science" only..

Chances are i can prove it wrong...

[Ghostfacekiller]

Peppered moth evolution

The evolution of the peppered moth over the last two hundred years has been studied in detail. Originally, the vast majority of peppered moths had light colouration, which effectively camouflaged them against the light-coloured trees and lichens which they rested upon. However, because of widespread pollution during the Industrial Revolution in England, many of the lichens died out, and the trees that peppered moths rested on became blackened by soot, causing most of the light-coloured moths, or typica, to die off from predation. At the same time, the dark-coloured, or ***anic, moths, carbonaria, flourished because of their ability to hide on the darkened trees.

I know its wiki but whatever
Peppered Moth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution)

Now i know you will argue that its just Natural selection but Natural selection is a large part of the puzzle. If you belive in Natural selection and creationism i ask you this, if Natural selection is real and we have been on earth for a long time why are we still so diverse with our animal and plant population. If creaturses are not adapting/evolving we should in theroy have one main herbavor, plant, preditor. Or does god create new animals when otheres are selected.


More proof may be sitting next to you, your pet. A dog is not a wolf and a wolf is not a dog. They are biologicly so close to one another you have to admit that dogs came from wolfs. humands slectivly breed them so they evolved into what we have today.

Doubled edged sword too: Prove Creationism

[Ghostfacekiller]

anyway there isnt definite proof.

Science is still looking for the answers, but they are searching. Science makes the best possible theroy from what is known. If we proved god tomorrow scientist would admit that we where created by god.

Religion is faith based. you have your ideas from a book written a long time ago. your ideals are set ins tone and you wont budge. no madder how much proof is show you will never accept evolution.

In the end why can it not be both? God has had every idea man has ever thought, so if you where creating life dosnt evolution sound like a really great add on. I personlay dont think we where created by god ( as a humad being, ultimidly we where) but the intelligence and self awareness was, cause that is what makes us humand. thought

[cstrikehero]

My point is "science" evolution demands proof, whereas Creationism is faith that God created

Just because some moths can asapet to their surroundings, dosent prove the universe is billions of years old..

When you go hunting, do you go with a regular shirt on, or do you wear camo.. a smart hunter wears camo, hense making the smart guy not being seen by game ans the not smart guy like a lighted beacon.

[Ghostfacekiller]

Doubled edged sword too: Prove Creationism
Evolution is forward thing and progressive, its the best guess at what created us and the world around us. If we find evidance that aliens came and created us that would replace evolution or could be added to that theory. Evolution takes time, a LOT of time to happen. you just have a problem in thinking past a certain number of years and you just think that one day we grow a third arm. it takes a long time. it make the most sence when you think about it.

Evolution of a stink bug

You have a bug Millions of years ago. When thratend with predators it shits itself. This confuses and stops the preditor from eating it. Because it shits when scared and the shit stops the preditor it can go on and have more children than the normal bug. Soon there is a bug that shits when it is scared, cause they are alive long meaning they are able to reproduce more. a new bug you can say. now the ones with the stinkier shit are going to confuses a preditor more so the can reproduce more. now we have bugs with stinkier shit. now the bugs with a stinkier shit have bodys that allow more/a better bactireia to grow and stink up there shit. so this keeps going and the bodys bowles are going to grow THROUGH TIME to alow more of the bacteria to grow. at some point thr bactiria grows into the bugs body creating a gland. this gland just produces stink. all this keeps happening till we have a stink bug. Evolution at work. sitting there right now you are going to tell me with enough time this couldnt happen.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I thought the primary creationist argument was that all this shit couldn't have happened in such a short time, not the other way around...

I'm not sure cstrikehero has any concept of natural selection... He doesn't seem aware just how much time a large change would actually take.

[Deetinator]

Creationists should have no problem with natural selection, it doesn't interfere with creation at all.

[Cuddles]

Creationists should have no problem with natural selection, it doesn't interfere with creation at all.

i thought the primary thing at hand there, was accepting that god's design of man has room for improvement via natural selection.

cause, if you're admitting that you state that god made man perfect, but then going back and saying that natural selection is, has, and will continue to occur....it doesnt really work too well....

i mean, you could potentially say that evolution was how god created the world, and that natural selection is just living out his design, but that's NOT what you're saying....and you'd only be saying it because that's how i said it.....

[cstrikehero]

Evolution is automatically combined with evolution since they both originated with darwin.. Natural selection is the stronger thing going on while the weak die off and yes this does happen in a way.. as deet reminded me this is micro evolution...

Macro evolution is like the big bang and such.. creation of the universe... yadayada..
I just think that you all are blind to what i and deet have said.. even freetibet who is open minded and has presented many good points.
The base theories of Macro evolution are disproved by simple laws of phisics..
Ok.. evolutionists have a sloution to this..

"well, if you add energy, you can overcome these laws.."

Ya ok adding energy organizes things into a mass universe of Immense complexity? no
We added energy to hiroshima and nagasaki to end WW2 , and yet it didnt organize anything!
You have to have a control device to harness the energy.. a resistor of sorts

"well, the energy comes from the sun..." is what they say....
well what does the sun do, it burns flesh, it cracks paint, bleaches anything left out in it... name one good thing the sun does for us, that dosent have a control device..
YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE!!!

@ cuddles

Yes, God did make man Perfect, Satan Intervened and destroyed that..

You see, Satans real name is Lucifer, which means light bringer.. He used to Be Gods number 1 right hand man.. and he wanted Gods job, so god booted him out of heaven..
Now Satan hates God but since he cant do anything to god, He is taking his revenge on Gods creation (us in case you didnt catch that)

[Deetinator]

cause, if you're admitting that you state that god made man perfect, but then going back and saying that natural selection is, has, and will continue to occur....it doesnt really work too well....
how so? i dont quite understand

[Cuddles]

im fully aware of what lucifer means. it is one of many names for your lovely devil. did you ever consider that the tale of Prometheus (also a light bringer.) was so similar to that of the devil's intervention in man's affairs?

also, you cannot destroy perfection. to say that there is some weak spot, is to say that something is not perfect. god himself would have to be the one to destroy it, if you claim he's all powerful, he's the only one who can.

also, your interpretation of the story of eden, is not that of everyone, nor is it that which is stated in the bible. as well! the sins of women were absolved when jesus was conceived of woman, and the sins of man were absolved when jesus died. that means that even if perfection was cast away, it must, now, be recovered....thus, my argument stands, how can you have natural selection within a perfect being? and do not all the animals on earth share that perfection?

[Deetinator]

I swear on the Bible I'm not trying to be douche or anything, but I really didn't understand what you were saying in that last paragraph. Can you clarify it anymore please?

[cstrikehero]

no kidding. the birth of jesus had nothing to do with womens sins..

and adam was "perfect" (made in Gods Image in case you didnt know hehe)

@cuddles (**again?**)

there i put in in quotes so you wouldn't argue.. happy?