when did you realize it was all shit?

[crazyassmetalhead]

or do you still believe in anything?





gonna keep it simple and vague.......

me, i realized it during the last 3 or so years of my life (so ages 15-17), maybe even the last 4.....




idk i'm tired as shit i'll elaborate later if anyone gives a fuck but i'm sure you get the picture, so any of you wanna share?

[superflysuperwhite]

i still believe in "god" even though most logic points to there being none..

but religion.. well ill say.... maybe 5 or 6 years ago.. is when it started... pretty much after i started going to catholic school..

[ishkur88]

We live in a world were all things are made up of an infinitesimally small number of little bits that we have arbitrary clumped into many overlapping subsets and matched back to other patterns and other subsets, in order to form descriptive language to communicate these pieces and how they interact.

How are you going to try to complicate this organization with the concept that there is a supreme being that orchestrated this whole shenanigan?

I don't read fairy tales and I don't believe in ghosts.

edit: I decided there was no God when I was about 9, when I asked my grandmother where God was. She said that God really wasn't in any one place, and that you couldn't see God. God's an electron or something? No. Shit, what if God was an electron or some subatomic particle (not the God particle that the LHC was supposed to find). That'd be trippy.

[freetibet]

I also believe in god.

But i lost my faith in the religion I was raised with... 3 years ago?

[cstrikehero]

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
this site matches facts with scripture
http://www.raptureme.com/resource/ac46.html
this site is things the anti-Christ will do to make you think he is god..

as you can tell i am still a strong believer and i have facts and scripture to back it up..
but seriously check em out

[freetibet]

so that makes like... 4 believers on the site? lol

[cstrikehero]

so that makes like... 4 believers on the site? lol

yaaaa id say thats about right

[DoG MikkyW]

When you read the bible, you are normally reading about only 1/2 half of all the original works.

[deathlord888]

i stopped believing when i heard about science, and how its goal is to explain stuff not just say o god did it.

[freetibet]

When you read the bible, you are normally reading about only 1/2 half of all the original works.

Original works meaning everything Christ and his apostles said and wrote down.

or original works meaning everything the roman empire decided should be in the bible?

I'd believe 1/2 or less of what should be in the bible is in there. Things have remained pretty much the same in regards to the second though.

i stopped believing when i heard about science, and how its goal is to explain stuff not just say o god did it.

If that's all i thought religion was i'd have the same opinion as you. However, I think asking why along with how is far more intelligent a thing to do. Any dipshit with a science book can figure out how, its the why that seems the difficult part.

[Exploding_viper]

i have officially changed from aiethiest to agnotist.
some things are stiil unexplainable.

but religions are too vague and too contradictoy to believe in.

[deathlord888]

they can tell you why for the most part, just no one with out a physics bachelors minimum would understand most things

[freetibet]

i have officially changed from aiethiest to agnotist.
some things are stiil unexplainable.

but religions are too vague and too contradictoy to believe in.

Are you referring to organized religion?

I despise organized religion...

catholicism, mormonism, fucktardism, they all just seek to control people.

Don't join an 'ism' join the spiritual plane, you'll find everything comes together there. Even more so than modern societies 'science'.

[Buddha]

I always kind of believed in a god but not organised religion. I've only in the last couple years heard the word agnostic and have decided that is what I am and always have been.

Organised religion is slavery.

[freetibet]

I find agnosticism too indifferent though. I mean i acknowledge the spiritual I don't say "well there might be or there might not but I don't care".

It basically sounds like a open minded atheist to me.

edit*
I just copied this from my thread on Tool but I think it applies to this situation

Intro to one of Tool's songs:

"Think for yourself
Question authority

Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their
view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and
learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness"

[crazyassmetalhead]

in the words of the great william murderface

"they're all the same. all religions are just a bunch of *****g crap. where's the nearest bar?"

that's pretty close anyway, couldnt find a clip of it easily, but the metalocalypse episode "religionklok" pretty much is a good summmary of my views on religion


and the whole nihilism thing with a touch of agnosticism.....ya

[cstrikehero]

Original works meaning everything Christ and his apostles said and wrote down.

or original works meaning everything the roman empire decided should be in the bible?

I'd believe 1/2 or less of what should be in the bible is in there. Things have remained pretty much the same in regards to the second though.



If that's all i thought religion was i'd have the same opinion as you. However, I think asking why along with how is far more intelligent a thing to do. Any dipshit with a science book can figure out how, its the why that seems the difficult part.

you guys are both wrong.. jesus and his apostle did not decide what was in the bible. well in a way jesus did.. neither did the roman empire.. there was a group of people called the Cannonites (spelled with a c or k i forget) there are two books.. the old testament.. new testament and THE APOCRYPHA(which is all the stuff the cannonites didnt think was inspired by god... the cannonites were basically jewish priests..

[superflysuperwhite]

you guys are both wrong.. jesus and his apostle did not decide what was in the bible. well in a way jesus did.. neither did the roman empire.. there was a group of people called the Cannonites (spelled with a c or k i forget) there are two books.. the old testament.. new testament and THE APOCRYPHA(which is all the stuff the cannonites didnt think was inspired by god... the cannonites were basically jewish priests..


and you are just as wrong... because the bible was put together by the catholic curch, either at the council of trent or one of the councils of nicaea.. well the bible we have today.

[Phoenix Fire]

This site is my bible, fuck that other shit.

My concept of an afterlife, is you just sleep, and dream, sounds like fun too me.
Or reincarnation, that would be cool.

[Buddha]

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. - Thomas Paine

[freetibet]

and you are just as wrong... because the bible was put together by the catholic curch, either at the council of trent or one of the councils of nicaea.. well the bible we have today.

YA that sounds about right to me.

The Nicaean creed was a joke, half of Christianity believed in regular ol god and then the Romans had to mess it up and decide the trinity made more sense.

Just another example of why religion and politics shouldn't mix.

[cstrikehero]

and you are just as wrong... because the bible was put together by the catholic curch, either at the council of trent or one of the councils of nicaea.. well the bible we have today.

if u believe that ur a stupid ass retard.. the catholics have a history for making things up.. go search the reformation on google.. the catholics said you have to pay the church to get into heaven. which is totally wrong.. they takecredit for everything.. its like al gore and the internet

[cstrikehero]

YA that sounds about right to me.

The Nicaean creed was a joke, half of Christianity believed in regular ol god and then the Romans had to mess it up and decide the trinity made more sense.

Just another example of why religion and politics shouldn't mix.

no thats not an example.. the romans had nothing to do with any of the bible.. except the ones mentioned.. the romans blamed christian for everything that went wrong.. and crucified christ!! most of the junk on the internet about catholics and romans is crap to screw you up and think its all stupid

[deathlord888]

if u believe that ur a stupid ass retard
dont argue with him on religion when you are wrong and "ur" is not a word same with "u" so looks like you are the stupid ass retard

[Phoenix Fire]

Cstrikemorn, please, fuck off.
You called someone a "retard" and then backed up what they said.

[freetibet]

@cstrikehero

Ya the Romans did kill Christ, they also killed christians for no other reason than that they were christian. Once they saw that christ's word was spreading and no amount of killing was going to stop it, they started using it as the state religion. Then when people started arguing trinitarianism vs arianism (based on the words of Arius not on an arian race) they thought it would be a good idea to step in and force people to think a certain way.

One of the reasons Christianity is as messed up as it is now is because of the church's councils. It's almost like they didn't like the actual words of Christ so they had to come up with 'interpretations' and forced everyone to follow them.

[cstrikehero]

now i can somewhat agree with freetibet.. but the church now is different.. the church was messed up back in the 1500s. Catholic was the main religion. the catholic church got corrupted, was selling salvation... then Martin Luther nailed the 95 theses on the door of a catholic church.. and that's what started the Protestant reformation.. when people actually got a hold of the real truth not an interpretation and started to follow it. Now the baptists, Mennonites, Methodists.. etc are all groups who broke away from Catholicism..

The corruption in chruches comes from the sin of PEOPLE not church values.. not in what the bible says. hate the sin not the person. I have no problem with gays, just what they do

[deathlord888]

lol and the church is fine now? raping little boys is ok?

[cstrikehero]

your still nailing me. a Mennonite for what Catholics do.. idc what they do its between them and god.. if they want to go to hell its their problem..

as far as raping little boys goes.. its wrong to rape anyone.. In fact its wrong to have sex with anyone who is the same gender as you and whom you are not married to.. see Leviticus 18. No im not saying the church is OK now.. im just saying its different.. the Catholics have no control over what other denominations are doing... now most denominations have the same beliefs as Catholics, although i think Catholicism is the only one who prays someone into heaven (which dosent work by the way)

And if you want to know what will happen to you if you don't follow Gods laws, read lev 20.

(NO GOD-->) Hey, if your a christian you have nothing to worry about.. if you are wrong, then you will turn into dirt when you die.. who cares.. same for if you aren't

(GOD-->) now, if you not a christian and you die, you will spend an eternity in Hell with demons who hate everything about you.. hell will not be physical punishment, but mental.. and you will have to endure it forever.. It will be like being flogged and never being able to just die. you will endure it.. the human mind is not able to grasp the idea of a never ending eternity... in heaver or hell.

if you are a christian however, you will spend eternity in heaven which is basically paradise beyond what you can ever imagine

[Buddha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=casUr9UsabY

[cstrikehero]

so now people have demoted themselves to using a stoned comedians words to back them up wow...

if you believe science over the bible check this website out

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

[crazyassmetalhead]

dude nobody gives a fuck about your stupid links, half the people on this thread no longer care what you think about anything because you already proved you know very little about what you were talking about..... and to put this into terms your feeble little mind can understand, calling George Carlin a stoned comedian is like calling jesus some kike nailed to a tree

shit, at least george carlin was real

[cstrikehero]

you know what you believe what you want idc.. its your loss

[crazyassmetalhead]

why should you care?

[Buddha]

Stop recruiting people for your cult new guy.

[cstrikehero]

believe what you want its your choice but stop giving me shit about what i believe in

[freetibet]

I think you all need to stop bitching and start listening

[DoG MikkyW]

OK, the bible is the book of god, right? Wrong. The bible is a book that has been changed over the course of 4000+ years to suit whomever was carrying these stories. The bible was not made into one book until the mid 1st millennium by the Romans. For 2500 years and sooner, the words of the bible had been carried mainly by word. Have you ever played the game telephone? Picture that, but you know how easy it is to miss a word? Now picture playing 2500 years of telephone. What about the words that were written down? Many of these lost at least 3/4 of their true meanings through the various translations from Hebrew to Latin to Arabic to etc. And many of these were discarded for the fact that many people disagree. I'm making this up? That might be what you're thinking. OK, then explain this. The bible says that the first woman on earth, the first woman to be with Adam, was Eve. This is not true. The first woman on earth (at least according to these crack pot scriptures) was Lilith. Why was Lilith excluded? Because Roman Emperor Constantine didn't like that in the scriptures, Adam and Lilith were equal. Man and Woman with equal status? Preposterous.

[ramalamafafafa]

On the subject of the thread, i was never subjected to the idiocy of religion in the home, so i never belived anyway.

But i started to question the motives of religions and their leaders when they started giving scripture lessons at my State School... This was when i was about 10.

[freetibet]

OK, the bible is the book of god, right? Wrong. The bible is a book that has been changed over the course of 4000+ years to suit whomever was carrying these stories. The bible was not made into one book until the mid 1st millennium by the Romans. For 2500 years and sooner, the words of the bible had been carried mainly by word. Have you ever played the game telephone? Picture that, but you know how easy it is to miss a word? Now picture playing 2500 years of telephone. What about the words that were written down? Many of these lost at least 3/4 of their true meanings through the various translations from Hebrew to Latin to Arabic to etc. And many of these were discarded for the fact that many people disagree. I'm making this up? That might be what you're thinking. OK, then explain this. The bible says that the first woman on earth, the first woman to be with Adam, was Eve. This is not true. The first woman on earth (at least according to these crack pot scriptures) was Lilith. Why was Lilith excluded? Because Roman Emperor Constantine didn't like that in the scriptures, Adam and Lilith were equal. Man and Woman with equal status? Preposterous.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim?

And obviously the bible has been translated into many different languages, but the original Greek was either never translated or maybe translated once. So when people like William Tyndale translated the bible, they did so from the original Greek.

[DoG MikkyW]

Who is in charge of this forum, they should merge these two threads. Yes, I have evidence, you know the same evidence Christians site as the proof that the bible wasn't written in the 16th century and was actually written during the time of the supposed "jesus". The evidence of course are the dead sea scrolls which were saved from the library of alexandria by jewish scholars, well, the same jewish scholars preserved these scriptures. Also, it is historic fact that the first Roman Emperor Constantine held a certain period of time, (I think it was 30 day), meeting in which various passages of the now single bible were decided, edited, and deleted or kept.

[freetibet]

Who is in charge of this forum, they should merge these two threads. Yes, I have evidence, you know the same evidence Christians site as the proof that the bible wasn't written in the 16th century and was actually written during the time of the supposed "jesus". The evidence of course are the dead sea scrolls which were saved from the library of alexandria by jewish scholars, well, the same jewish scholars preserved these scriptures. Also, it is historic fact that the first Roman Emperor Constantine held a certain period of time, (I think it was 30 day), meeting in which various passages of the now single bible were decided, edited, and deleted or kept.

Just start posting exclusively in the other thread...

and i've already said I know the bible was compiled by the romans so... i don't know what the point of that post was...

[DoG MikkyW]

Sorry, I don't remember that well, but still, that is the evidence. That and the history channel and its' whole host of experts.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I stopped believing when I first, you know, thought about it.

Seven or eight years ago....

Ignorance is bliss, but I have to say, being free from the illusion of god feels like being two feet taller than everyone else in a crowd.

[Abu Shuja'ah]

I'm a strong believer in Islam, I don't force religion on anyone, rather I ask questions to those of no faiths and those of other faiths and when they can't answer them and feel like idiots, they just start looking for the truth. Which I use my scriptures to guide them with.

[Abu Shuja'ah]

Just start posting exclusively in the other thread...

and i've already said I know the bible was compiled by the romans so... i don't know what the point of that post was...

So if you know it was written by the Romans, why do you follow it?

[freetibet]

It wasn't written by the Romans, it was compiled by the Romans.

[Black Napalm]

I personally don't believe in any religion. I don't consider myself an atheist, or anything for that matter. If there is a God (or any supreme being), that's great! If there isn't, that's great too. Right now if you would ask me if there is a God, I would say no.
But I wasn't brought up on any religion. Some people are sure there is a God, and I respect their opinions.

I do have to say one thing:

That clarifying christianity website that cstrikehero posted didn't prove anything!

[ACLd00r]

Cstrikehero, go complain about how unfortunate you are with some german jews from 1940. You should find sympathy there about how it sucks to be free and be able to post on sites like this, and even practice that religion of yours.

You can guess I'm probably atheist. I agree with black napalm... if there is a god, cool. If not, whats wrong with death? We die. End of story. Everything does!

[a2thae]

Cstrikehero, go complain about how unfortunate you are with some german jews from 1940. You should find sympathy there about how it sucks to be free and be able to post on sites like this, and even practice that religion of yours.

You can guess I'm probably atheist. I agree with black napalm... if there is a god, cool. If not, whats wrong with death? We die. End of story. Everything does!

...you're agnostic, not atheist.

[paintballfrk]

I realized religion was crap in the past year. I hate people who let religion rule their lives.

[freetibet]

and you felt the need to necro post just so you could say that?

I hate people who hate people for stupid reasons :P

[AlbertWesker]

I believe in Christ which is the reason most churches and organized religion in general make me angry. Most churches either preach lies, cliches or just plain stupidity.

[UpRightCitizen]

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[tmz]

around third grade.
i had read the entire king james bible twice cover to cover.
analized it. took tests on it. discussed it.

the more i analized it, the more i concluded it was nothing more than a good story book. the pastor of the school/church would always preach about the evils of the world. like modern music. and pokemon. and other satanic things. and i was a nine year old kid saying "what the fuck. that doesn't make any sense. it contradicts what you keep forcing me to read"

i was an agnostic until November 2008. i beleived there was a higher being, but not in any specific religion. and then my life fell apart and i gave up all hope and faith.

[xavix]

The bible is a fantastic book, but only if it isn't taken literally....sort of like cocaine, you gotta take it right, or you get fucked up and crazy.

[AssRot]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hh17i8.jpg