East vs. West, foreign blades and tactics

[skullcandy]

I'm interested in what everyone has to think about these foreign blades and how they would compete against each other. Explain your answer and refrain from using lesser races as your arguement.

Personally i believe that if you put a roman legionarre, A fencer, and a atarashii naginata in an arena, the legionarre would win. The standard roman soldier has a single pilum, a scutum (the shield) and his gladius. The pilum would take out the atarashii bogu and make complex naginata movements impossible without taking the time to completely remove his or her armour. The roman could then move up to the fencer, break the rapier with his scutum, and behead his adversary with his gladius.

[Maggotsfriend]

Gurkhas.........

[numerator-91]

The fencer would get his ass kicked either way.

[freetibet]

I don't even undertand all that japanese... I'm going to say Roman cuz he could just through his javelin (thats what a pilum is right?) and kill either one of the other guys.

[skullcandy]

atarashii is the compiled forms of naginata made into one style. If you were to take a 7 foot solid oak pole, and put the blade of a scimitar onto the end of the pole you would have a naginata. Bogu is the armor worn by atarashii during combat. Does that clarify things for anyone?

And yes, a pilum is basically a javelin except with a very very soft iron head and harder tip. It basically penetrates through armor and then bends around it, making removing a pilum next to impossible without completely removing the armour.

[Phoenix Fire]

Roman will dominate .

[freetibet]

atarashii is the compiled forms of naginata made into one style. If you were to take a 7 foot solid oak pole, and put the blade of a scimitar onto the end of the pole you would have a naginata. Bogu is the armor worn by atarashii during combat. Does that clarify things for anyone?

And yes, a pilum is basically a javelin except with a very very soft iron head and harder tip. It basically penetrates through armor and then bends around it, making removing a pilum next to impossible without completely removing the armour.

...what the fuck do you do all day?

that helped a little, but i'm sticking with the roman pwning

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scutum sounds like scrotum hahahahaha

[skullcandy]

Me? i just sit at home jackin off to naked pictures of your mother.
My goal is to one day unite this world under one flag, knowledge of empires that came close to conquering this earth are my inspiration for my goal.

Seriously, noone has any faith in the fencer or atarashii?

[termanat252]

i go Jappanese because of the craftsmanship and i like the fighting style of both the samuri and ninja. espesialy the samuri look at the WWII Pacific front of what some of the nips did in those dense jungle terraine and in some house to house fighting.

[Tarasen]

The Fencer is out due to the fact that fencing is a sport and not really a killstyle, whereas the atarashii and the legionaire are pretty equal, the legionaire would win though, for one reason, i'm italian and biased, a second reason, the romans pursued their militarial exploits until they had the most useful methods available, we still use some of the roman technology, besides the naginata is a very inefficient weapon against shields, the only use of spears is throwing and range, against a shield only axes and swords, and -to a limited extent- arrows had any effect on a shield, the romans were pursuing many campaigns, against the british and germanic tribes so they would have had pretty effective weapons for a wide variety of environments,
Roman legionaire=awesome

[Raist]

This match up I think is unfair and doesn't exactly represent each fighter. It would hands down be the Japanese soldier. The only exceptions I could think of is if the Legionnaire was a really good fighter. The armor and shield he uses are designed to be used in formations, with a sword for thrusting from a group of shielded men, not for one on one combat.

The french swordsman might be very skilled, but the rapier could not get through all the armor, and the brute force would win out. A rapier was not used in war as far as i know except for someone on horseback leading. There are many more effective European swords used in combat, perhaps a bastard sword would be better. Or a poleax, or a ghuttentagh, or one of the many other ingenius weapons that were developed by the west.

[skullcandy]

I know, thats why they are matched up. Controversy brings answers and explanation. Technically its horribly matched up, as the naginata and fencing were originally created for women to use in defense. Its like placing civilians in an arena with soldiers. But again, there is always an exception to the rules.

[marcraft]

Zulu tribesman with a spear , at Isandlwana in 1879 a small army of zulu (1000 i think) with spears and cowhide shields fucking pawned a british army (1200 strong) complete with muskets and cannons.

[Chiri]

Practical fencing (18th century dueling) is MADE for combat against single opponents. I think the fencer would dominate. Didn't they also do some discovery channel thing based on this?

Does the roman get his metal armour though? Both the other cultures involved don't exactly have weapons that're made to break through metallic armours. Japenese always used leather, duelist era fencers used thick wool and chainmail which, ironically, is probably the best armour to use against slashing weaponry out of any armour these guys might have?

[LordSkweegie]

There is no match for my Gumdo, i will defeat everyone, and the world shall fall victim of my blade!

[skullcandy]

Fuck off asshole.

[blackdeath86]

out of all of them i still think the japanese dude would win