Enhancing bullets?

[a2thae]

Out of curiousity, is there anything that can be done to enhance the lethality or efficiency, or help a bullet do it's job better?

I've heard things from chiseling a cross on the top of it, to dipping the tip in poison to i don't even know what.

But I figure, people who make bullets gotta realize that they are supposed to make the best design... like bullets insufficiently packed with powder designed to enter a target but not leave it for crowded rooms etc i think is brilliant.

Anyone try anything with ammunition and actually get any results?

[deathlord888]

nope you cant make it any better than it is. putting a cross in the tip would just slow it down then get bent out of shape anyway. Poison would heat up and evaporate off or just fly off in the wind

[freetibet]

you could try a voodoo hex.

and why increase the lethality of 1 bullet, when you can just shoot more? If you really wanted you could try to alter the gun to use a higher caliber. That way you have a bigger bullet, which would likely be more lethal. My friend changed some stuff on his pistol so it could use bigger bullets.

[deathlord888]

but doing that will most likely kill you, unless you know what you are doing

[Ghostfacekiller]

I find bullets lethal enough on there own.

[a2thae]

nope you cant make it any better than it is. putting a cross in the tip would just slow it down then get bent out of shape anyway. Poison would heat up and evaporate off or just fly off in the wind

The idea with the cross in the tip is to shoot it in close range, and have it split open cause more damage. With the poison; oh.

[freetibet]

i think it would backfire...

why risk blowing your hand off when you can just shoot them again?

[a2thae]

i think it would backfire...

why risk blowing your hand off when you can just shoot them again?

To maximize potency? Or maybe it's a one shot deal with 6 people. 1 shot for each person..

You do have a very good point though.

[Ghostfacekiller]

If you really want to use poison why not use a dart gun?

[a2thae]

If you really want to use poison why not use a dart gun?

not sayin i'd wanna use poison, was just wonderin if it was a valid option for a bullet.

[Ghostfacekiller]

Poison is going to take time to kill. It would be so much easer to fire again

[Riverrat1947]

There are a couple of options here. One use frangible bullets. These break up when they hit and do not pass through. So a non lethal shot could turn lethal with the pieces flying around inside the target. The second is to alter the projectile turning it explosive in a fashion. This is easier with the larger calibers and best done when hand loading. Bore out the center of the projectile leaving a relatively thin wall. Fill the cavity half full of mercury, and reseal the top with a heating element. The base will handle the explosive force pushing the projectile out, but the thin sides and nose will explode under the impact of the mercury when it hits increasing the lethality.

[Spirit of Diablo]

If the bullet is in a casing, don't alter it. It's designed to function properly, without causing any harm to the person who fires it. If you have a really old firearm, like a musket, you can basically alter the bullet in any way possible, as long as it doesn't get stuck in the barrel. These are usually round balls, which you can drill holes into. You can then put stuff in those holes.

But like most people have said; bullets are also very lethal without any added effect. And if you don't like bullets the way they are, just buy an other type of bullet. There's choice enough.

[{Christopher}]

There are a couple of options here. One use frangible bullets. These break up when they hit and do not pass through. So a non lethal shot could turn lethal with the pieces flying around inside the target. The second is to alter the projectile turning it explosive in a fashion. This is easier with the larger calibers and best done when hand loading. Bore out the center of the projectile leaving a relatively thin wall. Fill the cavity half full of mercury, and reseal the top with a heating element. The base will handle the explosive force pushing the projectile out, but the thin sides and nose will explode under the impact of the mercury when it hits increasing the lethality.

Won't work, if the walls of the round are thin the bullet will just shatter after leaving the barrel, or even worse possibly in the barrel.
They have rounds that do that already anyhow, a jacketed hollow point pistol round will peel rearward and the copper jacket breaks away doing the same thing you just described.

[Raist]

Also, blowing someone full of a heavy metal would never be passed off as self defense. Though that would be a way of making a bullet poisonous.

[Maggotsfriend]

Cross head, hollow point and expanding bullets are all extre***y lethal rounds.

Unless your making your own rounds don't alter a bullet especially taping a bullet with a chisel compression will set it off son.

[2zigzags]

you can add poison to a bullet, but you also have to be able to cast the bullet your self, you can order the equipment online. instead of filling the copper jacket with lead, you make the base of the bullet its self thicker, and fill it with poison. the copper with break apart on impact, releasing the poison.

[deathlord888]

you can add poison to a bullet, but you also have to be able to cast the bullet your self, you can order the equipment online. instead of filling the copper jacket with lead, you make the base of the bullet its self thicker, and fill it with poison. the copper with break apart on impact, releasing the poison.

that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, do you know why it is filled with lead? because the bullet is heavier making it more dense making it have more momentum. odds are that dumb idea would burst in the gun

[2zigzags]

ive been designing and making my own bullets for over 5 years. dont act like i dont know how a bullet works you dumb fuck.unless your trying to shoot over 150 yards, yes, it will work, and nom it wont break apart in the barrel, ive used these several times, and never once had a failure.

[skullcandy]

Teflon coating reduces barrel wear of a bullet creating an armor peircing round, but thats not really modifying the bullet itself, only putting an add on to it.

[{Christopher}]

Teflon coating reduces barrel wear of a bullet creating an armor peircing round, but thats not really modifying the bullet itself, only putting an add on to it.


Your an idiot, just adding teflon to a bullet does NOT make it a armor piercing round, they put teflon on AP handgun already made from harder AP capable material, the add the teflon because the harder material they use wears the barrel down excessively.

[{Christopher}]

Also the teflon rarely even makes it to the target, its soft and just breaks off the round.

[VCTR]

45- 70 is my favorite new caliber some way i need to machine a 45-70 tompson MG

[{Christopher}]

45- 70 is my favorite new caliber some way i need to machine a 45-70 tompson MG


I'm not sure what you meant by "new" but 45-70 is a very very old cart*****, and I don't think a thompson in 45-70 would be a very good idea.

[VCTR]

ever shot a 45 -70 it so totally awsome round not as much range as say 308 but thru a Macine gun it would be devastating

[VCTR]

i just recently got into the 45-70s capabilitys as a very old cartrige

[skullcandy]

ah well, thanks for clearing that up.

[VCTR]

it look like the tompson calibier 45-70 would make for an awsome rendition to an sub macine gun making it an standard machine gun

[VCTR]

man do i hate texas

[{Christopher}]

45-70 has tons of knockdown power, I used a old 45-70 lever action to take my first deer ever.

[Ninjaofdeth]

if you want knockdown power go for a AI AS 50, Barrett M107, McMillan TAC-50, Cheytac M200 Intervention, or any other .50 BMG sniper (yes, i realize the M200 is a .408)

[konzept]

I would say bore the tip to create a cavity and use a jelly like poison or a crystallized poison to prevent ***ting and vaporizing of it on how you would do this i have no idea just a thought

[{Christopher}]

if you want knockdown power go for a AI AS 50, Barrett M107, McMillan TAC-50, Cheytac M200 Intervention, or any other .50 BMG sniper (yes, i realize the M200 is a .408)

Impractical, and too expensive.

[Phoenix Fire]

Anything bigger than a .38 is overpowered, unless your sniping or something.
A .30 is plenty for killing.

[Ninjaofdeth]

meh....the barrett is only 8.5 thousand dolllars...which isnt too bad seeing as the AS-50 is more like 13 or 14 thousand...but hey thats the price you pay for good semi auto .50 cal snipers

fine... barett M98B. .338 lapua mag. not too expensive, not too big

and well, yes, the point of a .50 (or .408) is long range and anti material sniping...but someone said something about knockdown power...not gonna get much more out of a rifle than the .50 BMG (that civilians can legally get)

and a .223 is plenty for killing... a 5.7mm is plenty for killing, 4.6mm is plenty for killing. it all depends on the "mission". sniping is infinitely more badass than spray and pray..especially since civilians cant very easily acquire a full auto gun, but for spray and pray the 4.6 is a beast. and if the person you are trying to kill has Level IV ballistic body armor...i would say anything under a 7.62x39 is UNDERpowered.

.177 hollowpoint for the win.. hahaha jk

good guns are not cheap. a good assault style rifle (such as the Barrett REC7) will go for a few Gs. a less good AR style rifle (such as the Colt AR-15) will go for a little over a grand.

[Phoenix Fire]

MY killing gun is a 6.5x52 carcano.
Good enough for JFK eh?

[{Christopher}]

MY killing gun is a 6.5x52 carcano.
Good enough for JFK eh?

Badass guns.

[Ninjaofdeth]

MY killing gun is a 6.5x52 carcano.
Good enough for JFK eh?

wasnt that what made the assasination so amazing...that he was killed by a shitty rifle?

[Phoenix Fire]

Small gun with big ass bullet.
And yeah, that created quite a view conspiracies.
They confirmed he wasn't the only shooter though.
I have a thread on my carcano.
Search for it.

[{Christopher}]

You know if they make hunting cart r id ges for the Carcano?
Wouldn't mind having one for deer in the brush if there are some good soft point rounds for it.

[Phoenix Fire]

I made some from a box of teflon .308's

[{Christopher}]

I made some from a box of teflon .308's

How did you do that?

[Phoenix Fire]

Friend brought me a shitload of teflon inserts for .308's I think they were from .308's...
I did a couple test holes into my 6.5's and cut everything down to size.
Cut a ***** or two into the lead.
Quite explosive.
I'm out of 6.5's right now I need to pack some more.

[Phoenix Fire]

*****? ??

wth

[Phoenix Fire]

what the fucking fucke ?!!!!

[a2thae]

Cut a ***** or two into the lead.

*****? *****

???

You lost me.

[{Christopher}]

I'm fairly sure with .308's you would have to cut the diameter of the bullet down quite a bit, since its 7.62 instead of 6.5.

[Phoenix Fire]

I cut the teflon down.


Just a bit.

[{Christopher}]

Bench sander? Teflon isn't to sturdy when you go at it.

[Phoenix Fire]

Exactly.
Very fine grit.

I only made 6 of them btw.
Pretty interesting results.

I also made a bunch of hollowpoints

[{Christopher}]

I think the 6.5 would be just about the only rifle round I would trust a hollow point for any kind of accuracy, other then that its always soft points, at gun shows I see ho***oaded hollowpoints in 30-06 and just think to myself how its just gonna blow to shreds when it leaves the barrel.
6.5 is a real slow moving round for a medium rifle cartr i d ge, so I'd give it a try.

[Phoenix Fire]

Keep in mind the bullet itself is over an inch long.
For what it lacks in speed, it gains in punch.
Can't remember grain but they're heavy as hell.
Especially the metal jackets.

[{Christopher}]

Keep in mind the bullet itself is over an inch long.
For what it lacks in speed, it gains in punch.
Can't remember grain but they're heavy as hell.
Especially the metal jackets.

Most 6.5 round are about 160 grain, I realized the length, that's why I asked about the hunting SP rounds, the long FMJ rounds have lots of penetration with lots of slow knockdown weight behind them, but they are too stable, and don't tumble, which can cause quite a problem when you out in the hills and have to tail a deer for an entire day.
This last year it was the last day of the season and I hadn't filled my tag yet, so I blew a spike away, oh well.

[Phoenix Fire]

I found 1 bullet lol.
I got it and drilled a bit past hollow point, about 1/4 inch.
Filled it with 30$ a tube epoxy I buy for my hydrogen generators and it's drying now.
Gonna pinch it into a nice tip in about 10 minutes when it hardens up some.
Problem is gonna be pressing it without messing up the tip.
My press clamp is just long enough for the 6.5's.

[{Christopher}]

meh....the barrett is only 8.5 thousand dolllars...which isnt too bad seeing as the AS-50 is more like 13 or 14 thousand...


8.5K is more then the down payment I put on this house.

[deathlord888]

hahaha ya i would never pay over a grand for a rifle

[Phoenix Fire]

Most I've ever paid was 425$
For a broken dragunov.

[deathlord888]

you ever fix it?

EDIT: oops, that wasn't the quote button.

[{Christopher}]

I paid 600something for my mini 30, any other expensive gun I have I have gotten from friends or family cheaply or free.

[deathlord888]

i want to get an AR-15 but they are like 800 bucks

[{Christopher}]

i want to get an AR-15 but they are like 800 bucks

I JUST got rid of my Bushmaster two days ago, for 200 bucks, and a ps3.
I got that AR in a trade for a ruger model 77 in .280 that I bought up in Alaska a few summers ago, my guns come and go all the time.
BTW gun show on saturday come up, I'll be there looking for a Super Blackhawk (if I can get a good deal of course)

[Phoenix Fire]

you ever fix it?

EDIT: oops, that wasn't the quote button.

Me and a friend fixed it.
We machined a new hammer and pin slide.
Shot about 100 rounds through it and sold it for 600.

I have the manual for it somewhere.
It was a romanak or somehting like that.

[VCTR]

BAllistic tips opn entering the flesh the Brass hit bone and the bullet shatter into a million pieces opening artereys and stuff

[deathlord888]

my god you not only are a dumb ass you are a fucking necro poster. and ya those are called hunting rounds pretty common...

[illiousintahl]

Back on the track of making a better mousetr... i meen bullet.
What about modifying instead of the payload, the propellant.
Staged accelerative charge (to maintain the amount of pressure experienced by the barrel on firing), making the rounds recoiless (basically the gun into a miniature missile launcher), or hardening the barrel (possibly using a plasti-ceramic tubing insert on a larger caliber barrel) to utilize a different type of explosive medium.
I meen if it's armour peircing you want.

-'High velocity ammo in a submachine pistol, he's insane' Bato out of Ghost in The Shell.

[Chiri]

I don't see how you can created a recoilless round in a closed chamber firearm; that energy needs to travel somewhere, so you'd need a whole different kind of weapons system, not just a new type of round.

You'd have to design some kind of mini Carl G or LAW I guess, but that seems like it would be obsolete compared to a regular firearm haha.

As for your idea of using a different type of explosive medium, they have magnum or high powder with low caliber/weight cart*****s for that, and I can't see any other types of primer or ignition being more efficient.

Good ideas in theory though. Gives us something to think about.

On the other hand, the thread specifically asks for bullet enhancing ideas, not propellent enhancing ones, as stupid as these ideas are.

[shivam1992]

You could place a poisonous fluid on the bullet so when it hits the target it kills it off instantly!

[June bug]

you can put poison in a hollow point bullet, drip candle wax over it ive seen it done plus ive used poison on a broadhead while huntin

[Chiri]

Why won't this thread die? Enhancing bullets doesn't work that well. They kill by shock and tissue/organ disruption. Broadheads kill by hemorage and bleedout. That's why poison would work well on broadheads but not bullets.

Just because you've seen it done doesn't mean it did anything.