Flaws of Mankind

[Durandal4]

I recently thought of this concept:

Mankind is without a doubt, imperfect and obviously flawed. In the beginning (in evolutionary terms), we were nothing but singled cells with no other function but to survive and reproduce to spread our DNA. Afterward, we became multi-celled organisms with the same basic concept yet more powerful defenses against the world. Due to the diversity of our DNA, we became less susceptible to the diseases and "weapons" of our enemy cells and bacteria.

Eventually we became a human being. Once we became "human", we created language, mathematics, science, theories, and overall concepts of the world. I say "created" because before mankind, the world knew nothing of these things. Before us, never were there any organisms thinking "Hmm....I wonder what 15/7 is equal to."

Now humans are naturally flawed, and thus destined to fail, unless we can continue our cycle of adapting and evolving. Anyways, when working with any mathematical or scientific concept, there is always the chance of human error. Because we, as humans, are erroneous, does that mean our concepts are null? Does math really exist or did we create it. If so, doesn't that mean that math is flawed as well? Because math is our foundation of science (chemisty, physics, etc.) doesn't that mean our science is flawed as well? If our science is flawed than our application of science is as well. This includes all technology, both modern and old.

In the end, we are all basically trying to continue our original plan. Survive and evolve. Dominate other life forms and become the strongest. If we are using flawed concepts to achieve superiority, doesn't that mean we will eventually fail? I don't mean we will be overran by the fish or conquered by a new species of gopher, but we're susceptible to our own demise. Because we rely on such erroneous materials, won't we eventually lose this fight unless we evolve into more intellectual, rational beings?

[superflysuperwhite]

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

before humans were the dinosuars and they were waaaaay more advanced with super computers and spaceships and sex toys! they just sat in the feilds and ate grass and mushrooms and just figured out life.


but humans of course we are flawed everything is flawd. we are animals with developed brains... in some areas for the most part we run off of baisic instinct. we eat, sleep, and fuck.
if there is a problem we either run or fight(in some form)

you could actually say because of this we are not flawed in a sense because we still act like animals.. which we are.


and if some one brings up war.. humans arent the only species that wage war. ants do too, and they actually take slaves.

also bottle nosed dolphins kill for fun.

lions kill cuns to have sex with the mother.

chimps will sometimes, although the are normillay herbavourse, will tear the baby from the mothers arms, eat it and share it with the rest of the group.

just examples of other species who you could say are "flawed"

[xAnonymousx]

All life in some way is flawed and imperfect. If there was perfection in the universe it would never change at all because it would have achieved perfection. And as we see all life changes and evolves as does everything. So the point of singling humans out of the entire universe is rather small sighted seeing as everything is imperfect.

[Durandal4]

Well of course all life is flawed.

My implied question was: Is our mathematics, sciences, languages, etc. flawed as well? (Because they're just abstracts created by our imperfect minds)

[xAnonymousx]

Of course our mathematics,science,languages are imperfect since they were created by imperfect beings. And they are still changing so obviously they are not perfect. Also I forget the equation but in math there's a way to make 0=1 or 1=2 proving that it's pretty much bullshit but just happens to work in certain cases. So overall if it has to change it is not perfect.

[drugfeind]

i agree to have perfection everything would stop evolving ...but then comes the question what is perfection...could it be sex, drugs and rockn'roll... or could it simply be death?...we should not think of things like this it makes the world seem so infinate and overwhelmingly impossible

[Learner_1210]

Of course our mathematics,science,languages are imperfect since they were created by imperfect beings. And they are still changing so obviously they are not perfect. Also I forget the equation but in math there's a way to make 0=1 or 1=2 proving that it's pretty much bullshit but just happens to work in certain cases. So overall if it has to change it is not perfect.

0=1 or 1=2 are mere invalid proofs. I looked that up and the first thing that came up was this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invalid_proof
This link will disprove those equations you just said:)

[Phoenix Fire]

Rules .

[Pactum]

thou art necro posting.
please stop.

[cougarkitty]

Our science and our maths is defiantly flawed!

When I was at school Earth had 1 moon and Pluto was a planet. Now I've learnt that earth actually has 5 moons and Pluto is no longer classed as a planet because its just a ball of ice with no land mass.

I've also fallen into countless arguments with my maths and science teachers because we would be working through an equation and they'd say to divide everything by 3 and I'd ask where that 3 came from when it wasn't in the original equation. They'd say "just because it is, you just divide it by 3" I could never understand that some guy was sat in a room and just decided that this was how you worked out pie and he just choose that number and it happened to work.

Also some of our technology is also flawed. They build a plane. They can fly and plane. But the they can't explain why it fly! What kind of logic is that?!

[drugfeind]

Our science and our maths is defiantly flawed!

When I was at school Earth had 1 moon and Pluto was a planet. Now I've learnt that earth actually has 5 moons and Pluto is no longer classed as a planet because its just a ball of ice with no land mass.

I've also fallen into countless arguments with my maths and science teachers because we would be working through an equation and they'd say to divide everything by 3 and I'd ask where that 3 came from when it wasn't in the original equation. They'd say "just because it is, you just divide it by 3" I could never understand that some guy was sat in a room and just decided that this was how you worked out pie and he just choose that number and it happened to work.

Also some of our technology is also flawed. They build a plane. They can fly and plane. But the they can't explain why it fly! What kind of logic is that?!

some guy wasnt just sitting in a room and randomly came up with pie...they most likiely used some logic. something u obviously do not have much of. and im sure people can explain how a plane flys

[aele]

u know itseems possible to think about all that we know was aquired through intelligent observations but as you see by the computer you are on it is possible over a long enough ti***ine over which we accumulate a deeper knowledge of our existance and and apply them to our surroundings and get results like the ability to accelerate electrons to form an image. my question is this: should we be proud ofthis ability?

and i think that when u are talking about dividing an equation by 3 u are talking about pi which is a constant its not just put there, its in the equation as a known variable its not just a made up number tehre are equations one can do to find pi.

and im no aviation expert but ppl can tell you how a plane works.

[A Deo et Rege]

Our science and our maths is defiantly flawed!

When I was at school Earth had 1 moon and Pluto was a planet. Now I've learnt that earth actually has 5 moons and Pluto is no longer classed as a planet because its just a ball of ice with no land mass.

I've also fallen into countless arguments with my maths and science teachers because we would be working through an equation and they'd say to divide everything by 3 and I'd ask where that 3 came from when it wasn't in the original equation. They'd say "just because it is, you just divide it by 3" I could never understand that some guy was sat in a room and just decided that this was how you worked out pie and he just choose that number and it happened to work.

Also some of our technology is also flawed. They build a plane. They can fly and plane. But the they can't explain why it fly! What kind of logic is that?!

I find this entire post ironic, and I would point out all its flaws, but that would just add to the irony. However, I am surprised that nobody has pointed out the biggest flaw in the argument, but I will not waste my time pointing out such an obvious flaw. All I will say is that numbers do not lie, and that science is continuously changing due to the constant search for the truth; it is not flawed, just unfinished.

[Durandal4]

All I will say is that numbers do not lie, and that science is continuously changing due to the constant search for the truth; it is not flawed, just unfinished.

Hmm, I will have to take that comment to my chemistry teacher. She claims that chemistry is the only perfected science we have. No matter what you do, if it reacts, the equations and ratios always comes out perfect, yet at times I've noticed combustion reactions aren't perfected because they contain fractions of molecules, and thus not a perfect ratio.

[fake1126]

I agree with Deo, when it comes down to science we aren't flawed just learning. Granted we tend to come up with strange ideas and protect them even though they've been debunked (the earth is flat, Earth is center of universe, global warming). The only thing that I think we're flawed in is morality. Comparitive morality is a fun thing to discuss because no two people will ever 100% have the same moral beliefs for whatever reason. Example: My fiance does not drink, does not smoke, and does not do drugs. I, on the other hand, drink when I feel like it, smoke like a goddamn chimney, and used to fry my brain on a regualr basis. We were raised differently, and therefore our morals are different. The thing that is flawed about the whole thing is that society tries to force generalized moral codes onto people that don't believe in it. I think that's a little fucked up, wot?

[testtubebaby]

I recently thought of this concept:

Mankind is without a doubt, imperfect and obviously flawed. In the beginning (in evolutionary terms), we were nothing but singled cells with no other function but to survive and reproduce to spread our DNA. Afterward, we became multi-celled organisms with the same basic concept yet more powerful defenses against the world. Due to the diversity of our DNA, we became less susceptible to the diseases and "weapons" of our enemy cells and bacteria.

Eventually we became a human being. Once we became "human", we created language, mathematics, science, theories, and overall concepts of the world. I say "created" because before mankind, the world knew nothing of these things. Before us, never were there any organisms thinking "Hmm....I wonder what 15/7 is equal to."

Now humans are naturally flawed, and thus destined to fail, unless we can continue our cycle of adapting and evolving. Anyways, when working with any mathematical or scientific concept, there is always the chance of human error. Because we, as humans, are erroneous, does that mean our concepts are null? Does math really exist or did we create it. If so, doesn't that mean that math is flawed as well? Because math is our foundation of science (chemisty, physics, etc.) doesn't that mean our science is flawed as well? If our science is flawed than our application of science is as well. This includes all technology, both modern and old.

In the end, we are all basically trying to continue our original plan. Survive and evolve. Dominate other life forms and become the strongest. If we are using flawed concepts to achieve superiority, doesn't that mean we will eventually fail? I don't mean we will be overran by the fish or conquered by a new species of gopher, but we're susceptible to our own demise. Because we rely on such erroneous materials, won't we eventually lose this fight unless we evolve into more intellectual, rational beings?



well ok this is gonna be kinda vague but think about it in direct relation to what was said. just because the apples bad doesnt mean the tree is too. and bad apples still can make good apple liquor. so no our science is not flawed because we are. and the proof is in the applications that we use the science for. for example back in the old days, a man fighting a tiger with a spear had a great chance of losing, but through advancment in science, a man can simple gun down a tiger, is that not advancment in technology for the better, and that tech came from science which came from math which came from us (by ur theory) so the tree (us) made a bad apple (flawed math "if really flawed") which made a good liquor (weapons and other tech and tech advancments). ta da lets drink

[JohnLennonII]

Science and mathematics aren't necessarily flawed, and in the end it doesn't matter.
If you have a theory that says gravity is due to undetected "gravity gnomes" who pull on everything, and your theory can accurately predict things, be testable, etc. and yet you say that the gnomes are undetectable, then it is just as viable a theory as string theory and the theories behind gravitational waves and the like.
Science and mathematics are always changing to make sure that they can still explain the world around us.
Even if a theory is flawed, so long as it can describe the world or the chunk it applies to, it doesn't matter.
It's kind of similar to what you've just said, testtubebaby, just not in a fruit/liquour model, as enticing as such a metaphor is.