Knife fighting for dummies

[skullcandy]

Alright, i'm fucking tired of seeing this same kind of post in the favorite knife thread, where the person says there favorite knife, and how they can get it out faster and stab the other person. Unless your standing right next to them, like within 3 feet, the other person would have plenty of time to pull out their own knife. The fact is, you can disarm the other person with your bare hands. Real knife fighting has tactics and footing. Fantasy knife fighting is pull out your knife and stab. below is a list of things to never do in a serious knife fight.

1. Never fucking stab. the other person can disarm you, or if you do kill stab them, they can still fight back and you'll be without a knife. It is instead better to cut and slash, making small or large cuts using wrist movements.

2. Never reach out your arm that does not have the knife when you begin. This is just asking for the other person to attack it.

3. don't block edge on edge, for christ's sake, you'll screw up the blade's sharpness.

4. do not try and grab the other persons wrist to block them. They will still be able to cut your hand while you hold theirs.

5. Whenever possible, wrap your arm in between joints to block their attack.



The best knife fighters in the world are filipino's, look up their tactics on google. Please add to this thread if you have comments/corrections

[techtiger]

im pretty sure when we are all talking about pulling out our knife faster we are talking about being pointblank range, thats when the need for it would be the greatest. The odds of needing it is when some one is right up in your face not 10 feet away.

[skullcandy]

But at point blank range the other person would do better to use their fists while you reached into your pocket. Unless of course it was a sheath knife you carried on your hip, in which case the other person would be retarded to try and start a fight. But if they did start a fight while you were wearing a sheath knife then they probably also have a knife.

Sorry for making this so drawn out people.

[VivaZapata]

Alright, i'm fucking tired of seeing this same kind of post in the favorite knife thread, where the person says there favorite knife, and how they can get it out faster and stab the other person. Unless your standing right next to them, like within 3 feet, the other person would have plenty of time to pull out their own knife. The fact is, you can disarm the other person with your bare hands. Real knife fighting has tactics and footing. Fantasy knife fighting is pull out your knife and stab. below is a list of things to never do in a serious knife fight.

1. Never fucking stab. the other person can disarm you, or if you do kill stab them, they can still fight back and you'll be without a knife. It is instead better to cut and slash, making small or large cuts using wrist movements.

2. Never reach out your arm that does not have the knife when you begin. This is just asking for the other person to attack it.

3. don't block edge on edge, for christ's sake, you'll screw up the blade's sharpness.

4. do not try and grab the other persons wrist to block them. They will still be able to cut your hand while you hold theirs.

5. Whenever possible, wrap your arm in between joints to block their attack.



The best knife fighters in the world are filipino's, look up their tactics on google. Please add to this thread if you have comments/corrections

1. i doubt a knife with a blood groove will get stuck in the body once you stick your enemy. Second i prefer to stab because it is far more lethal than a slash, i use slashes to set up for a stab.

2. it is common sense no problems here unless you parry the blow you can grab the wrist and slash the triceps.

3. i dissagree block with whatever part of the knife you can the knife is expendable your life is not and i can pick up another ka-bar for cheap.

[crazyassmetalhead]

you're all fucking idiots

[techtiger]

thats kinda harsh... im not sure how i classify as an idiot when im trying to talk sense into these kids

[crazyassmetalhead]

not you i meant the rest of them.....

this is just an extre***y retarded thread, all these bad ass "knife fighters"...

[techtiger]

let them have there fun. there pretty much playing pretend. haha that viva kid says he prefers... when have you ever actualy had to do any of that? and you do it so often you have a preferance???

what it comes down to is it doesnt matter what stance your in or what way you hold it, a knife is fucking deadly. And while your worring about your foot work im going to be unloading

[VivaZapata]

let them have there fun. there pretty much playing pretend. haha that viva kid says he prefers... when have you ever actualy had to do any of that? and you do it so often you have a preferance???

what it comes down to is it doesnt matter what stance your in or what way you hold it, a knife is fucking deadly. And while your worring about your foot work im going to be unloading

Yes im playing pretend, but im using refrences from living sources such as my pops a Lurp from Nam and My uncle a Vietnam era Marine.... of course they dont know jack shit right? But yes i have never done any of this you are correct i can not lie but when i ship out next March i bet i will have some close encounters.

Yes a knife is a great advantage in a H2H situation but training is always good because muscle memory is helpful do you beg to differ? a knife is tad more dangerous in the hands of some one with a couple of hours of knife work than some new jack who picks up a butterfly knife.

[skullcandy]

you're all fucking idiots

So im now an idiot because your too ignorant to accept anything that might prove you wrong. Both the filipino and spetsnaz armed forces abide by most of these guidelines. From a miltiary standpoint, if you do get in a knife fight it will most likely be with someone also trained to use a blade, and would most likely slash instead of stabbing. Thank you viva for going to serve your country.

Crazyassmetalhead, Your not a "badass" knife fighter either, and probably have less experience with a knife than the average 4 year old. You have no place to try and flame others on their thread.

[crazyassmetalhead]

So im now an idiot because your too ignorant to accept anything that might prove you wrong. Both the filipino and spetsnaz armed forces abide by most of these guidelines. From a miltiary standpoint, if you do get in a knife fight it will most likely be with someone also trained to use a blade, and would most likely slash instead of stabbing. Thank you viva for going to serve your country.

Crazyassmetalhead, Your not a "badass" knife fighter either, and probably have less experience with a knife than the average 4 year old. You have no place to try and flame others on their thread.


how are you proving me wrong? i'm not the one making retarded statements and giving advice that anyone with basic knowledge of either human anatomy or fighting should reconize as inane bullshit.....i'm just pointing it out as such

i don't give a fuck about the filipino armed forces and spetsnaz is a special unit of russian armed forces, not as you put it "spetsnaz armed forces"....plus how would you know what their training guidlines are?
and from a military standpoint the general motto is to not fuck up bad enough to find yourself in a knife fight.....and again you stupid fuck, slashing usually only maims (unless it's a main artery or vein like in the neck), it's stabbing that wounds and kills.... and viva even corrected you on this as well.

i didn't claim to be a "badass knife fighter" you're the dumbass trying to act like you know something about the subject and telling others this stupid shit. this isn't "your thread" dumbfuck, and i can flame whoever i feel like, especially sub-retarded asshats like yourself who are passing on potentially dangerous misinformation.

by the way in retrospect me saying you're all fucking idiots was kinda dumb, looking back on this thread i really only meant skullcandy is a fucking idiot

[skullcandy]

Still doubting, suck on this one bitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQzA7c5hNXk&feature=related



And again,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbJAF-JXk3I



They use slashing to sever use of limbs, then cut the major arteries. When the do use stabs it's to weak places such as the kidneys and back.

Basic knowledge of human anatomy shows that if you cut someone across the wrist, they're going to stop using their wrist.

The second video shows why footwork is good. Its as simple as a sidestep or a hop back.

If your next arguement is these vids aren't realistic as they go so slow,they're building muscle memory.

[Ghostis]

hell i thought the knife gun thing was pretty cool ... guess someone erased it for some odd reasoning........

[BadKarma..]

you dont know shit about knife fighting till your in a knife fight. its that simple

you do what feels right. you dont have time to think out your and your oppenents moves. it aint chess.

you act quick. and if you make the wrong choice. o well. darwinism shows: survival of the fittest and theres a good reason you lose.

[kard]

Even with the two video I still doubt that the Filipino and spetsnaz armed forces are the best in knife fight for two simple reasons. first, all the technique they show are nothing new, just old school ninjustsu and the footwork all guys in jail know those fucking basic technique why I'm saying that read the book put ‘em down take ‘em out! By don Pentecost it’s was made in 1988 and it’s about knife technique in folsom prison. So realize that the guy’s your praising so much are just other stupid copy cat next time you what to do your so called best a knife fighting knowledge go train until your able to destroy an army by yourself with a Swiss knife after that I will listen to what you say.

Ps: By the way, even if I don’t have any proof of it I did ninjustsu, aikido, kendo and security guard training so I know what I’m talking about for self defence

[Spirit of Diablo]

1. i doubt a knife with a blood groove will get stuck in the body once you stick your enemy. Second i prefer to stab because it is far more lethal than a slash, i use slashes to set up for a stab.

If you stab somebody, he can grab your wrist. And lots of guys can fuck you up if they get a hold of your arm, even if they have a stabwound. My favourite would still be to stab somebody, and just use a slash to get the knife out again.

[crazyassmetalhead]

those videos are just of people sparring, doesn't help your point at all. plus most of those techniques are to counter specific moves, which if those specific moves aren't employed are useless. muscle memory is useless if the event the muscle memory responds to never happens. whatever, as for the stabbing vs. slashing argument i found this discussed on another forum with people who actually seem to know what they're talking about:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-14120.html

and this site is also good site

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighter.html


or i could also put up some shitty youtube videos that have very little relevance to the actual discussion we're having

[techtiger]

I never challenged your uncle or your dad or any other person you feel like saying that has giving you such extensive training in the art of knife fighting. you said you prefer. i simply stated that you havent done shit! so dont make claims that lead people to believe you have. and we need to get serious here, its simply about how big the knife is and who pulls it out faster. if we want to take the military standpoint if your left with just a knife your a shity soldiar

[VivaZapata]

If you stab somebody, he can grab your wrist. And lots of guys can fuck you up if they get a hold of your arm, even if they have a stabwound. My favourite would still be to stab somebody, and just use a slash to get the knife out again.

lol at grab my wrist, if the dude grabs my wrist ill just toss him with an o goshi or seoinage, but given the fact that both my knives have blades longer than 5 inches and i think i can handle a leaking dude. hence why i dud judo and BJJ i think i will be ok if it comes down to grappling lol.

[Imperium]

Everyone's a badass

[TennisBomber]

Everyone's a badass

Haha, nice.


Anywho, stabbing, slashing, both FUCKING hurt(from what I've heard), in a realistic "street fight" I personally THINK that it isn't a matter of disabling the body, but more of who can cause more pain, never been stabbed, so I couldn't tell ya. But the truth is this argument will go on forever because there is no way to prove which one may or may not be considered "good knife fighting" unless you two physically meet and have a knife "fight", which I can guarantee, will not happen. On a further note, you guys could be the most experienced "knife fighters/handlers" in the world, or your relatives could be, however proving the other wrong is damn near impossible on a forum, where you can't even see what the other jackass even looks like. I'm not telling you to stop the argument, so by all means keep doing it, I just thought I'd throw in my two cents, then I'll shut the fuck up.


EDIT: I would also like to say, I know JACK SHIT about "knife fighting" and should not be one to take advice from on the subject, my input is only about the type of argument this is, and what it will turn in to. NOTHING more than simply that.

[Ninjaofdeth]

From a miltiary standpoint, if you do get in a knife fight it will most likely be with someone also trained to use a blade, and would most likely slash instead of stabbing.

in order to need to use a knife in "knife fight" in a military situation A) you need to be out of ammo in BOTH your primary weapon and your sidearm. B) ALL of your comrades need to be out of ammo in BOTH of their firearms. C) your enemy will need to be out of ammo with his firearm(s) (we are talking military situation here, if you have a knife and he still has ammo you die) D) all of your enemies comrades need to be out of ammo. E) you will need to not have your rifle on you (an empty rifle is a better weapon than a knife in most situations, more range and more weight) and F) all of your comrades will need to not have their rifles on them (which is very unlikely in a military situation)

this isnt the 1500's. people use guns these days.

so basically never bring a knife to a gun fight unless you, your unit members, your enemy,and his unit members are all out of ammo and have no weapons other than a knife on them

that statement was just to make the saying better. i mean there are always going to be a situation when a knife is handy (slitting peoples throats[and a silenced pistol is much better at quietly dispatching people, and cutting various things), but when you and your buds have 1 or more guns fighting enemies who have guns, it is kinda useless

oh, and speaking of spetznaz, they use a little trench shovel as a weapon. and can use it better than they can use a knife in some cases.

[Ninjaofdeth]

From a miltiary standpoint, if you do get in a knife fight it will most likely be with someone also trained to use a blade, and would most likely slash instead of stabbing.

in order to need to use a knife in "knife fight" in a military situation A) you need to be out of ammo in BOTH your primary weapon and your sidearm. B) ALL of your comrades need to be out of ammo in BOTH of their firearms. C) your enemy will need to be out of ammo with his firearm(s) (we are talking military situation here, if you have a knife and he still has ammo you die) D) all of your enemies comrades need to be out of ammo. E) you will need to not have your rifle on you (an empty rifle is a better weapon than a knife in most situations, more range and more weight) and F) all of your comrades will need to not have their rifles on them (which is very unlikely in a military situation)

this isnt the 1500's. people use guns these days.

so basically never bring a knife to a gun fight unless you, your unit members, your enemy,and his unit members are all out of ammo and have no weapons other than a knife on them

that statement was just to make the saying better. i mean there are always going to be a situation when a knife is handy (slitting peoples throats[and a silenced pistol is much better at quietly dispatching people], and cutting various things), but when you and your buds have 1 or more guns fighting enemies who have guns, it is kinda useless

oh, and speaking of spetznaz, they use a little trench shovel as a weapon. and can use it better than they can use a knife in some cases.

[Imperium]

Those trench shovels kick ass, I wanted to buy one off ebay but I realised i was pretty much broke.

[marcraft]

Killing Muggers, Addicts, Ho***ess 101

when faced with an attacker turn your body so your left side is facing them open or draw your knife behind your right side ,keep it hidden behind your right leg and make it look like your doing some stupid martial arts stance (6 years 3 different martial arts by the way) and theyl move in thinking your a punk who watches too many jet li movies. once your chests are within 2 feet of eachother bring your fist up as if to punch , this works even beter if you do actually punch but at the same time bring the knife around at a 35 degree angle pointing upwards and insert it into there kidney (lower sides just above waist) once they are on the ground hold there face with one hand and tilt there head put your knife to the side of the throught opposite the way there head is facing and drag the knife across to the other side as you tilt the head all the way to the opposite side you originally tilted it. dispose of the knife in the nearest storm drain.

[marcraft]

oh and ill be wearing a level III-A vest with Stab III protection and level IV ceramic rifle plates with blunt trauma pads underneath so i dont have to worry about a quickdraw to the chest unless the competition is packing a .50BMG 14.7mm or a .408 cheytac

[VivaZapata]

Yeah Tech like i stated i havent done shit yet ok, just LARPing what i would do in a knife fight given what i was told.

As for a military stand point a knife is a last resort weapon or used for sentry removal. More on this once i come back from basic and get that shitty MCMAP training. Seriously MACP is so much better than MCMAP.

[sqizzie]

here is the thing im not going to fight with my knife, chances are if im going to use it the other person probably wont hear or see me coming much less have time to defend against what im going to do. the knife is a silent weapon cutting an unsuspecting enemies throat while he sleeps will prevent him from screaming but will not instantly kill him,to do this you must either sever the brain stem with the blade at the c1 or c2 vertebra behind the neck or lunge the blade through the heart after cutting the throat,another quick way to kill an unsuspecting enemy with a knife is to cut his throat first then slip the blade in directly behind his backbone at the kidney level and sever the aorta which runs directly behind the spine from the heart all they way down to the kidneys before it branches off inside the pelvis if the aorta is severed then death will occur within a matter of seconds from hypo perfusion and internal bleeding

[Ninjaofdeth]

oh and ill be wearing a level III-A vest with Stab III protection and level IV ceramic rifle plates with blunt trauma pads underneath so i dont have to worry about a quickdraw to the chest unless the competition is packing a .50BMG 14.7mm or a .408 cheytac

that probably cost you so damn much

and yeah, actually they just happen to have a Cheytac M200 intervention AND a Barrett M107 light 50 AND a Accuracy International AS-50 in their pocket and draw and shoot all three before you stab.

i'm sure thats how it would go down

i was just looking at the Barrett site...the M98B sniper rifle chambered for .338 lapua mag looks fucking sick. check it out

[techtiger]

here is the thing im not going to fight with my knife, chances are if im going to use it the other person probably wont hear or see me coming much less have time to defend against what im going to do. the knife is a silent weapon cutting an unsuspecting enemies throat while he sleeps will prevent him from screaming but will not instantly kill him,to do this you must either sever the brain stem with the blade at the c1 or c2 vertebra behind the neck or lunge the blade through the heart after cutting the throat,another quick way to kill an unsuspecting enemy with a knife is to cut his throat first then slip the blade in directly behind his backbone at the kidney level and sever the aorta which runs directly behind the spine from the heart all they way down to the kidneys before it branches off inside the pelvis if the aorta is severed then death will occur within a matter of seconds from hypo perfusion and internal bleeding

i hope you have troubles sleeping at night

[sqizzie]

not really ,only when Ive had too much caffeine.

[marcraft]

lol actually not as much as youd think , i bought the vest from a police overorder for 300$ the plates were 110 a piece and the stab plate (kinda looks like a hard plastic sheet) was only 150. i wondered if id been ripped off for the stab so i put it against styrfoam and tried to stick it , could barely scratch the surface and i recked the tip of the 15$ crap-knife i used.

[Imperium]

who's the manufacturer of the vest cos i've been looking around for reliable brands and haven't made up my mind yet

[chrisrussull]

i bifer
dubbol blades

[skullcandy]

What the fuck is wrong with you people, this thread of mine died. Pheonix, would you care to give this insert your word of choice a warning and delete his post?

It seems what he was even trying to say was i prefer double blades. Problem with trying to wield two knives at once is most people arent ambidextrious enough to remember that they actually have a knife in both hands.

[666camaro420]

i think he may actually have been refering to dual edged knives. am i right chrisrussull? please clarify

[skullcandy]

OH crap, Why are You here? Either way, his post offered nothing to the thread. My question now, do kabars and SOGs have blood grooves?

[crazyassmetalhead]

depends on the model of the knife, sog and kabar are names of knife companies, not particular knives.....why is this shitty thread still here anyways?

[skullcandy]

What i mean is the military used ones like the seal pup elite. This thread is still here because a noob necro posted on it.

[crazyassmetalhead]

just google, or look at the respective company's websites or whatever

[TotalAnarchyUK]

What i mean is the military used ones like the seal pup elite. This thread is still here because a noob necro posted on it.

You like warhammer. You epically fail in life and getting laid. Knifes are for pussies. Deal with it.

[Ninjaofdeth]

OH crap, Why are You here? Either way, his post offered nothing to the thread. My question now, do kabars and SOGs have blood grooves?

only because i LOVE my SOG am i going to answer your question..or half

the SOG SEAL Pup Elite, which i have, does not have a blood groove, in fact it has the opposite and actually gets a little thicker in the middle

the Daggert does, and is a fucking sweet knife

the Gov Tac sort of does, but its not very large and towards the top if the blade

the SOG Fusion Fixation dagger has 2 blood grooves

SOG knives are well made, and last. also, they have many kickass coatings to choose from on many of their knives

i dont really care about Ka-bar...they're cool...but i like SOG more

[crazyassmetalhead]

plural of knife is knives, not knifes....dumbfuck

don't be an asshole if you can't spell shit right while your insulting someone.

[Ninjaofdeth]

plural of knife is knives, not knifes....dumbfuck

don't be an asshole if you can't spell shit right while your insulting someone.

amen to that

[crazyassmetalhead]

fuck should have been you're instead of your......o well

[Ninjaofdeth]

fuck should have been you're instead of your......o well

hahaha and now i have sealed it in a quote...i might change it later if i feel like it

but thats mildly ironic, eh?

[crazyassmetalhead]

maybe hypocritical......i don't really care

[glaser06]

Lol, back from the dead thread....didn't realize it until I had already written out my $.02

The only time I've been in a knife fight was back in high school when I was carrying my lock-back Bear knife in a holster on my belt. Kid charged me at a baseball or football game or something over me commenting on his heritage (his parents DID immigrate from Mexico illegally). Long story short, steel-toed boots > your pocket knife, and I only drew my knife to clock the kid in the head with it closed, and hard enough to disorientate him. Still scared the shit outta me. How no blood was drawn, I still don't know.

[illiousintahl]

I'm not even gonna bother readin all this shite. i can draw, flip a knife over into a throwing position and launch with easily deadly force and accuracy from a holster in about a quarter of a second or less. Knife fighting what a joke, come at me with a knife and i'll show you why assailants get beaten up py 70 year olds who decide to pick up a chair and fight back.

[crazyassmetalhead]

i hope you get beaten with a chair for posting that shit after this thread has been inactive for more than a month.

[skullcandy]

Don't post in this thread unless you have something valid/ relevant to say.

[KusKus]

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/kuskus_05/Cookbook/untitled.jpg

[skullcandy]

What the hell is wrong with you? Do you jack off to this kind of shit?

[KusKus]

no i just drew it as a projectile to kill some one

[semperfi556]

Carry a gun...no need for a knife fight.

[Chiri]

Wow, Kuskus is violent homosexual to the max.

[KusKus]

im no homo
go to electrical retard . com
its basically the same thing and hes no homo

[Chiri]

I don't need an explanation or a site address to find some stuff thats probably just as weird as what you just drew; I was basically just saying that makes you seem like you're fucked.

[KusKus]

there was a theory that im gona be the next scumbag
im ok of being fuck just dont like being called homo

[Chiri]

Got something against homosexuals there KusKus? If I had something against them and didn't want to be labelled as one, I sure as hell wouldn't draw a guy cutting another guys head in half with his dick.

[Dracus124]

You forgot something

Have the knife pointed down instead of up, You can make quicker slashes.

[semperfi556]

and its easier to hold onto if you hold it pointed downward, try holding it up and slashing something, its hard, your wrist can't take the pressure when you hold it up.