Good and Evil

[Spyre]

Theres a lot of questions I thought of, like:

-Are good and evil opinions or part of the universe?

-Are good and evil judged by the outcome, or the actions that caused the outcome? (like "the end justifies the means")

-Do good and evil equal out? (like yin and yang)

-Is there always an evil side to a good thing and a good side to an evil thing? (again, like yin and yang)

-Do good and evil exist, or are they just points of view? (person #1 sees person #2 as evil and himself as good, while person #2 sees person #1 as evil and himself as good)

-Is there any way to judge if something is overall good or evil?

The words "good" and "evil" are very powerful words and can be used for almost anything, but what are they really? Im gonna post my thoughts on this tomorrow because I need time to think about this a little bit more.

[RAV]

one thing i had thought of is, if there is a god and devil, is if the devil is part of the god head, because this actually makes sense. So the devil's "plan" was to make everyone like not have a choice between good and evil so they all go to heaven. Then Jesus is like well lets give everyone a choice. War in heaven...Satin kicked out...yada yada yada.

Well Jesus's plan requires a devil, or opposing option to create a choice.
If satin wanted to piss off god he would sit back and do nothing because that would make his plan happen, and it would just be like "suck it god."

Well my theory is that the most logical idea would be that god and the devil are working together. Which means that the devil is an instrument of god. An instrument of god is good. Devil is evil. Instrument of god is evil?

This is what got me off of Christianity. And there are a lot of other things that are just really backwards and stuff.

[numerator-91]

subjectivism people

[Spyre]

Ok, this is what I thought up. Theres always gonna be a good and evil side to everything. Nothing can be all-around perfect, but at the same time nothing can be all-around bad. Double Whoppers taste incredibly good, but they might make you a fatass if you eat too much of them. The Holocaust sucked really bad, but if it never happened, we would never be sympathetic enough for Jews to give them land in Isreal and let them pwn 6 Arab countries. While it doesnt even out, good cannot exist without evil, and vice-versa. Thats pretty obvious though.

I think good and evil are mostly points of view. There will always be at least one douchebag that says "The holocaust was the best thing ever!". Barely anyone ever truly believes that their cause and beliefs are completely evil, but there will always be at least two opposing sides that say that their cause is good and the other is evil.

The only way to truly judge good and evil is to be neutral, not supportive of one side in any way, and review everything that has happened, the causes, the effects, the reasons, ect. That is nearly impossible though because no matter what people think, they will always be leaning toward one side in the back of their mind, that can be because of what most people around you think or how you were taught to think. Therefor, humans cant judge good and evil because they cannot completely block their feelings.

So I say good and evil are opinions, but they are also everywhere in the universe. Everything that happens has a bad side and a good side depending on what point of view it is.

[freetibet]

well if everything is subjective then you could never get mad at anyone. Like if someone murdered your family you couldn't get mad at them or try and punish because it could be taken from either point of view.

needless to say... such reasoning is ridiculous

[OhShitNigga]

There is no evil. Evil is made up there is no opposite of evil. People say Good is the opposite of evil. How? Good is the opposite of bad.

[BurnDown]

So, dose anyone know what there was before good and evil....I meen, there has to be something before that. If good and evil is an opinion, what existed before the fact that we created good and evil?

[Ninja]

the same exact thing and the same world that exists now, except not seen through judging eyes.

and ya, taking an objective view you wouldn't hate the guy, you wouldn't care at all if he followed that up by blowing up earth while raping your mom.
That's why we need to be subjective, but in moderation, and caring about the right things. Don't kill the murderer's family in revenge; help him get his life in order, and help others like him do the same.
But then again, maybe you believe that the right thing to believe in is the need to protect everyone from this cruel world by killing them before they get hurt. In that case, i hope you die before you ruin my world.

[Master Pyrofire]

Ehh... There is no evil or good, only decisions and consequences..

[OhShitNigga]

So, dose anyone know what there was before good and evil....I meen, there has to be something before that. If good and evil is an opinion, what existed before the fact that we created good and evil?

They were made up to control people. Common example in today's world is Americans are the good guys because we are fighting the evil terrorist.

[hydromonster]

its a matter of perspective
because the terrorist fight us because of their religion
and folowing the religion is good
and for us protecting our citizens is good
so its like a good vs good war
or bad vs bad or any other combonation

[007m]

There is good and evil.The evil cannot be without good,and the good can not exist without evil.At least as far as we know.
We know what is good and evil,and we feel it,but sometimes this is not enough.Example:Arabians are not guided by their religion.They are guided by some freakin' maniacs,and their IQ is very low,they have no hope,no family,no social conditions,and the only thing that they are fighting for is lie.

[Ninja]

prove good and evil exist.
if it did then certain things would be good, others evil. so tell me, why is it i didn't feel evil when i raped your sister. and why is it that others would feel evil as they did the exact same thing.

[Ninja]

prove good and evil exist.
if it did then certain things would be good, others evil. so tell me, why is it i didn't feel evil when i raped your sister. and why is it that others would feel evil as they did the exact same thing.

[007m]

prove good and evil exist.
if it did then certain things would be good, others evil. so tell me, why is it i didn't feel evil when i raped your sister. and why is it that others would feel evil as they did the exact same thing.
this is all about feelings and instinct(then the society).If you feel no evil when you raped her,then you are a psyho maniac,and you should not exist on this planet.If you raped her,and feel evil,again,you should not exist on this planet.But normaly,a man knows what is good and what is evil.Is all about instinct...

[AvengedX7]

Kinda what RAV was sayin... If god created the universe then Satan, and everything evil that he would have created would be a reflection of him. He would have had to have that evil inside of him(or her i guess... or even it) to create them.

[Phoenix Fire]

Nukem 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!Nukem 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!Nukem 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!Nukem 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!Nukem 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!Nukem 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!

[Maggotsfriend]

To have people whole are good they need to bring people down and make them bad.

[Ninja]

who are you to judge if i should or shouldn't exist. and who are you to decide which views are normal. the instincts ur talking about are a matter of perspective. perspective changed from person to person. therefore good;evil changes from person to person. therefore, good/evil-ness isn't an intrinsic property of anything.

Avenged, i think Satan was good in the beginning at least, when he was the angel called Lucifer, but he got jealous and was banished to hell.

[drugfeind]

i think to get rid of good and evil we would have to creat perfection which would be doing things only ONE certain way and it would be the most affective way a neutral way

[Spyre]

Good and evil arent instincts, they are opinions that a society has. We mostly have the same notion of good and evil because we are all surrounded by those ideas by the time that we are born.

Example:Arabians are not guided by their religion.They are guided by some freakin' maniacs,and their IQ is very low,they have no hope,no family,no social conditions,and the only thing that they are fighting for is lie.

Take this retard for example. He probably lives in an area with a bunch of other ignorant people that never decided to consider the Muslims' point of view. To him America is good and Arabs are evil. Some Muslim fundamentalist probably thinks the exact opposite, that Americans are dumbasses that have no morals and are all arrogant greedy dicks.

Arabs probably have less IQ than Americans, and Americans are generally more greedy and have less morals than Arabs. For both sides they consider themselves good and their enemies evil because thats what everyone around them thought.

But you cant say good and evil dont exist. It is what makes us seperate right from wrong and fair and unfair. If good and evil didnt exist, then we would never have any allegiances or devotions to any cause or government. While that would make a perfect utopia-fuck world, we probably wouldnt get anywhere past being animals

[ANarchY_boy]

hmmm...what 2 say here....I think everything is in some people minds....the religion and everything is made for get more money 4 us...FUCK EVERYTHIN if somebody dont like my opinion tell God 2 punish me....I'll see how 2 fuckin extensive hands gonna kill me...:)))

[freetibet]

anyone here read the abolition of man by C.S. Lewis?

If you don't think there is a good or evil you should read that. With an open mind of course, otherwise you might as well be reading blank pages.

[GunMetal]

I believe that there isn't any difference between the 2, If someone was performing "Evil" you would need to respond with Evil to stop that person..People dont stop performing evil deeds just cos you say "please stop I dont like it" you need to hit them or even kill them.
Good and evil are the same, Its just how you express it