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Trade Mark
October 5th, 2008, 11:29 AM
The ego is an accumulated phenomenon, a by-product of living with others. If a child lives totally alone, he will never come to grow an ego. But that is not going to help. He will remain like an animal. That doesn't mean that he will come to know the real self, no.

The real can be known only through the false, so the ego is a must. One has to pass through it. It is a discipline. The real can be known only through the illusion. You cannot know the truth directly. First you have to know that which is not true. First you have to encounter the untrue. Through that encounter you become capable of knowing the truth. If you know the false as the false, truth will dawn upon you.

Ego is a need; it is a social need, it is a social by-product. The society means all that is around you - not you, but all that is around you. All, minus you, is the society. And everybody reflects. You will go to school and the teacher will reflect who you are. You will be in friendship with other children and they will reflect who you are. By and by, everybody is adding to your ego, and everybody is trying to modify it in such a way that you don't become a problem to the society.

They are not concerned with you.

They are concerned with the society.

Society is concerned with itself, and that's how it should be.

They are not concerned that you should become a self-knower. They are concerned that you should become an efficient part in the mechanism of the society. You should fit into the pattern. So they are trying to give you an ego that fits with the society. They teach you morality. Morality means giving you an ego which will fit with the society. If you are immoral, you will always be a misfit somewhere or other. That's why we put criminals in the prisons - not that they have done something wrong, not that by putting them in the prisons we are going to improve them, no. They simply don't fit. They are troublemakers. They have certain types of egos of which the society doesn't approve. If the society approves, everything is good.

One man kills somebody - he is a murderer.

And the same man in wartime kills thousands - he becomes a great hero. The society is not bothered by a murder, but the murder should be commited for the society - then it is okay. The society doesn't bother about morality.

Morality means only that you should fit with the society.

If the society is at war, then the morality changes.

If the society is at peace, then there is a different morality.

Morality is a social politics. It is diplomacy. And each child has to be brought up in such a way that he fits into the society, that's all. Because society is interested in efficient members. Society is not interested that you should attain to self-knowledge.

The society creates an ego because the ego can be controlled and manipulated. The self can never be controlled or manipulated. Nobody has ever heard of the society controlling a self - not possible.

And the child needs a center; the child is completely unaware of his own center. The society gives him a center and the child is by and by convinced that this is his center, the ego that society gives.

A child comes back to his home - if he has come first in his class, the whole family is happy. You hug and kiss him, and you take the child on your shoulders and dance and you say, "What a beautiful child! You are a pride to us." You are giving him an ego, a subtle ego. And if the child comes home dejected, unsuccessful, a failure - he couldn't pass, or he has just been on the back bench - then nobody appreciates him and the child feels rejected. He will try harder next time, because the center feels shaken.

Ego is always shaken, always in search of food, that somebody should appreciate it. That's why you continuously ask for attention.

You get the idea of who you are from others.

It is not a direct experience.

It is from others that you get the idea of who you are. They shape your center. This center is false, because you carry your real center. That is nobody's business. Nobody shapes it.

You come with it.

You are born with it.

So you have two centers. One center you come with, which is given by existence itself. That is the self. And the other center, which is created by the society, is the ego. It is a false thing - and it is a very great trick. Through the ego the society is controlling you. You have to behave in a certain way, because only then does the society appreciate you. You have to walk in a certain way; you have to laugh in a certain way; you have to follow certain manners, a morality, a code. Only then will the society appreciate you, and if it doesn't, you ego will be shaken. And when the ego is shaken, you don't know where you are, who you are.

The others have given you the idea.

That idea is the ego.

Try to understand it as deeply as possible, because this has to be thrown. And unless you throw it you will never be able to attain to the self. Because you are addicted to the center, you cannot move, and you cannot look at the self.

And remember, there is going to be an interim period, an interval, when the ego will be shattered, when you will not know who you are, when you will not know where you are going, when all boundaries will ***t.

You will simply be confused, a chaos.

Because of this chaos, you are afraid to lose the ego. But it has to be so. One has to pass through the chaos before one attains to the real center.

And if you are daring, the period will be small.

If you are afraid, and you again fall back to the ego, and you again start arranging it, then it can be very, very long; many lives can be wasted.

I have heard: One small child was visiting his grandparents. He was just four years old. In the night when the grandmother was putting him to sleep, he suddenly started crying and weeping and said, "I want to go home. I am afraid of darkness." But the grandmother said, "I know well that at home also you sleep in the dark; I have never seen a light on. So why are you afraid here?" The boy said, "Yes, that's right - but that is MY darkness." This darkness is completely unknown.

Even with darkness you feel, "This is MINE."

Outside - an unknown darkness.

With the ego you feel, "This is MY darkness."

It may be troublesome, maybe it creates many miseries, but still mine. Something to hold to, something to cling to, something underneath the feet; you are not in a vacuum, not in an emptiness. You may be miserable, but at least you ARE. Even being miserable gives you a feeling of 'I am'. Moving from it, fear takes over; you start feeling afraid of the unknown darkness and chaos - because society has managed to clear a small part of your being.

It is just like going to a forest. You make a little clearing, you clear a little ground; you make fencing, you make a small hut; you make a small garden, a lawn, and you are okay. Beyond your fence - the forest, the wild. Here everything is okay; you have planned everything. This is how it has happened.

Society has made a little clearing in your consciousness. It has cleaned just a little part completely, fenced it. Everything is okay there. That's what all your universities are doing. The whole culture and conditioning is just to clear a part so that you can feel at home there.

And then you become afraid.

Beyond the fence there is danger.

Beyond the fence you are, as within the fence you are - and your conscious mind is just one part, one-tenth of your whole being. Nine-tenths is waiting in the darkness. And in that nine-tenths, somewhere your real center is hidden.

One has to be daring, courageous.

One has to take a step into the unknown.

For a while all boundaries will be lost.

For a while you will feel dizzy.

For a while, you will feel very afraid and shaken, as if an earthquake has happened. But if you are courageous and you don't go backwards, if you don't fall back to the ego and you go on and on, there is a hidden center within you that you have been carrying for many lives.

That is your soul, the self.

Once you come near it, everything changes, everything settles again. But now this settling is not done by the society. Now everything becomes a cosmos, not a chaos; a new order arises.

But this is no longer the order of the society - it is the very order of existence itself.

It is what Buddha calls Dhamma, Lao Tzu calls Tao, Heraclitus calls Logos. It is not man-made. It is the VERY order of existence itself. Then everything is suddenly beautiful again, and for the first time really beautiful, because man-made things cannot be beautiful. At the most you can hide the ugliness of them, that's all. You can decorate them, but they can never be beautiful.

The difference is just like the difference between a real flower and a plastic or paper flower. The ego is a plastic flower - dead. It just looks like a flower, it is not a flower. You cannot really call it a flower. Even linguistically to call it a flower is wrong, because a flower is something which flowers. And this plastic thing is just a thing, not a flowering. It is dead. There is no life in it.

You have a flowering center within. That's why Hindus call it a lotus - it is a flowering. They call it the one-thousand-petaled-lotus. One thousand means infinite petals. And it goes on flowering, it never stops, it never dies.

But you are satisfied with a plastic ego.



http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

Trade Mark
October 5th, 2008, 11:29 AM
There are some reasons why you are satisfied. With a dead thing, there are many conveniences. One is that a dead thing never dies. It cannot - it was never alive. So you can have plastic flowers, they are good in a way. They are permanent; they are not eternal, but they are permanent.

The real flower outside in the garden is eternal, but not permanent. And the eternal has its own way of being eternal. The way of the eternal is to be born again and again and to die. Through death it refreshes itself, rejuvenates itself.

To us it appears that the flower has died - it never dies.

It simply changes bodies, so it is ever fresh.

It leaves the old body, it enters a new body. It flowers somewhere else; it goes on flowering.

But we cannot see the continuity because the continuity is invisible. We see only one flower, another flower; we never see the continuity.

It is the same flower which flowered yesterday.

It is the same sun, but in a different garb.

The ego has a certain quality - it is dead. It is a plastic thing. And it is very easy to get it, because others give it. You need not seek it, there is no search involved. That's why unless you become a seeker after the unknown, you have not yet become an individual. You are just a part of the crowd. You are just a mob.

When you don't have a real center, how can you be an individual?

The ego is not individual. Ego is a social phenomenon - it is society, its not you. But it gives you a function in the society, a hierarchy in the society. And if you remain satisfied with it, you will miss the whole opportunity of finding the self.

And that's why you are so miserable.

With a plastic life, how can you be happy?

With a false life, how can you be ecstatic and blissful? And then this ego creates many miseries, millions of them.

You cannot see, because it is your own darkness. You are attuned to it.

Have you ever noticed that all types of miseries enter through the ego? It cannot make you blissful; it can only make you miserable.

Ego is hell.

numerator-91
October 5th, 2008, 08:00 PM
i read the first two paragraphs and got bored.

P.S. my ego is as big as my cock...absolutely fucking massive

Trade Mark
October 5th, 2008, 10:29 PM
i read the first two paragraphs and got bored.

P.S. my ego is as big as my cock...absolutely fucking massive

I quess you wont be seeking anything other than physical pleasure. Thats a common response today, many fall asleep less they are being entertained by vidio games and movies. No new info less it presented by the Discovery channel propaganda machine...

Reading has become the white rabbit no one follows--- down the rabbit hole. Masterbating and web cams have replaced loving relationships. Nature was been replaced with virtual reality. Sorry to try and wake you from the American dream, you can go back to sleep. You have to be asleep to live it.

Least your honest---about the ego.

Trade Mark
October 5th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Oh sorry the Ausy capitalist dream. Same dif.

numerator-91
October 5th, 2008, 11:06 PM
i love reading. just not walls of text on a computer screen. it hurts my eyes

exial
October 6th, 2008, 12:36 PM
I quess you wont be seeking anything other than physical pleasure. Thats a common response today, many fall asleep less they are being entertained by vidio games and movies. No new info less it presented by the Discovery channel propaganda machine...

Reading has become the white rabbit no one follows--- down the rabbit hole. Masterbating and web cams have replaced loving relationships. Nature was been replaced with virtual reality. Sorry to try and wake you from the American dream, you can go back to sleep. You have to be asleep to live it.

Least your honest---about the ego.

Yo dude..i feel wat you saying. But truth is i cant read that much text on a compuer screen either. It fucks up your eyes. I DO enjoy reading, but not on a computer screen. Otherwise i would have read that 2 times over.

exial
October 6th, 2008, 12:37 PM
Numerator get rid of the thread dude..

Trade Mark
October 6th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Yeah, I read on the computer screen allot, its all free. I get the headaches and I have to wear drug store glass's these days. Also you can press Ctrl then use your scholl on the mouse to enlarge or minimize the text.

I see no reason to delete the thread cause some are not interested in reading it. Im not forcing anything on anyone but I am sad that there are many who dont care to step outside the box.

Others may be inclined to deal with a little pain for growth in understanding the human condition---and then be apart of changing it to something more desirable for ourself and in turn all..

Thats why I am here. To share, learn, organize and put real non political change into action (volition) minus poiliticans and Elites that would outlaw voting if it changed anything.

Politics =
Poly = Many
Tic = parasites

I see tics on a dog I pick them off and burn them alive. We all have tics sucking off us. Time we halped each other get rid of the many tics on eachothers self.

Peace.

Trade Mark
October 6th, 2008, 02:08 PM
pfft im not even readin det... i say everyone get into a fight and lose wooohooo!


The solution is not fighting and more games. Its about not playing the games of war or revalution. Over turning the chess board and setting it afire.

Refuse to win, loose or draw. Just remove ourself completly from playing games what so ever.

We then live simple even nomadic self sustaining lives with minamal--this is where its at in small like mided communities. Real sex instead instead of cyber sex.

Green Anarchy has a few ideas on that.
http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewlibrary

exial
October 6th, 2008, 02:22 PM
What the hell do you mean step outside of the box. This is Enlightened Individuals dude all we do is step outside of the box.

Trade Mark
October 6th, 2008, 03:01 PM
What the hell do you mean step outside of the box. This is Enlightened Individuals dude all we do is step outside of the box.

I see that, now dont step back in; is what I am talking about. Even for a short time.

exial
October 6th, 2008, 03:06 PM
alright screw that copy paste crap. Give me a reason to step back in the box and listen to what you have to say. Lets hear it Mark.

RAV
October 6th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I like you trade. Nice use of imagery. I do not believe he is doing the copy and past but speaking in riddles. By doing this he shows how far into the illusion you are. Personally I am not one for nomads but I am on the side of the anarcho-syndicalism. Tech helps us understand, instead of corrupting us with ideas like god.

Btw reading or just sitting in front of a computer screen is bad for your eyes. Mainly because of the alpha particles flying at your eyes right now.

Trade, we are all here to play games whether or not you like it or not. Not playing the game is a very short option and your time will run out. If you don't move your pieces then someone else will, and they may not be looking out for you. The revolution is soon to come, I believe it may be sooner because of the idiotic president we will have.

CHEETZzz
October 6th, 2008, 07:43 PM
too long didn't read

RAV
October 6th, 2008, 08:15 PM
neither did I lol.

Trade Mark
October 6th, 2008, 11:15 PM
I like you trade. Nice use of imagery. I do not believe he is doing the copy and past but speaking in riddles. By doing this he shows how far into the illusion you are. Personally I am not one for nomads but I am on the side of the anarcho-syndicalism. Tech helps us understand, instead of corrupting us with ideas like god.

Btw reading or just sitting in front of a computer screen is bad for your eyes. Mainly because of the alpha particles flying at your eyes right now.

Trade, we are all here to play games whether or not you like it or not. Not playing the game is a very short option and your time will run out. If you don't move your pieces then someone else will, and they may not be looking out for you. The revolution is soon to come, I believe it may be sooner because of the idiotic president we will have.


Im to old to back down now. The Illusion I can see all to clear now. Ive tried to fake it and fit in but I just cant. I am nice and gentle but dont buy into plastic lakes of dry title waves.

Ill watch the revalution from the mountain tops quizing the prophets on why they wear watch's and piss standing up with curcumsized eye lids. Ill shunt the all prophets ego with a 1oo foot rubber hose and let it drain into the town square as I watch the Beast buttfuck the Christian tele-evanglists with tax deductions.

I will be the one at the bottom of the compony ladders heckling while inhaling a helium ballon passing out dirty urin marked as clean to the bonafied certified.

Ill teach people to survive the coming starvation by drinking high protein seaman.
Be a self sustainer. Recycle!

Ill not play any games. I can and will always be found in the Now---a clockless point zero. A nobody, nevermore.

http://ego-death.blogspot.com/

Durandal4
October 6th, 2008, 11:23 PM
So...

Apparently you see a massive upcoming change in the world filled with chaos and corruption. No matter what we attempt to do or change this revolution will occur and it will happen with or without us?

numerator-91
October 6th, 2008, 11:36 PM
the global credit crisis

exial
October 7th, 2008, 05:22 AM
i like the way you write though trade ill give you that. Its challenging to read. And you seem to have alot of beliefs that go against what most people believe so im with you dude. Just make yourself a bit more understood.

Trade Mark
October 7th, 2008, 01:35 PM
So...

Apparently you see a massive upcoming change in the world filled with chaos and corruption. No matter what we attempt to do or change this revolution will occur and it will happen with or without us?


The revolution?

It is a fake. A controled change from order to chaos then back to a new order. Some call is a new world order. But for this plan to work there must first be chaos. Then they exspect you to beg for order that generations have been acustumed to.

Work to rest and rest to work, war for peace for the machine. The cycle is a controled program. We must break the cycle. The smallest cog in a machine breaks and the hole machine breaks down. Nowarchy is the least smallest cog to break first.

I will not be apart of any revolution or us against them nor even a spectator.
It is a synthetic game created to keep order in control. The controllers are still the same no matter who wins. Less we decide as a peopulation not to play the games. Im no Gladiator for sport or wager.

There can be no games if there are no players.

Want to be free? Be a zero and a real hero.

Fuck the system.
"Those who gather forces are the same who burn cross's"

Trade Mark
October 7th, 2008, 01:46 PM
i like the way you write though trade ill give you that. Its challenging to read. And you seem to have alot of beliefs that go against what most people believe so im with you dude. Just make yourself a bit more understood.

Thanks. Very kind words to hear here. You have ears and eyes.

To speak in parables is to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

The wheat is for making bread and planting new feilds to bear fruit; to eat and enjoy with freinds. The chaff thrown to pigs.

Never throw good wheat to pigs. They are blood thirsty, they will chew your arm off and eat you alive.

techtiger
October 7th, 2008, 02:52 PM
yea you have ideas tha are out there, but there way to far out there. and you cant back any of them up

RAV
October 7th, 2008, 03:39 PM
you are quite a wise one trade. There is a game that we all play though. I have tried to escape the torture that it causes but nonetheless you can be absent for only so long. The key now is to turn the pieces so that they help you and not hinder. The revolution is soon, and then you will be free. Because from my wish, of this day, is that every man should not have to play the game. Since the day has not come I will play the game waiting to pounce and break the chains. The New World Order does not want you to even know of the chains that hold you. They say that they are part of your imagination, but that does not mean that they are not there.

exial
October 7th, 2008, 03:50 PM
They plan on the edge of your vision. They slowly maipulate the mind. Everywhere we look they seek to influence the way you think and your opinion. There purpose is an evil one. Be wary.

_K_
October 7th, 2008, 04:53 PM
If you do not play, you loose for certain. However, if you do play, you just have to be smarter.

Also, Trade, did you get that beginning passage from Ayn Rand's Anthem?

Durandal4
October 7th, 2008, 04:59 PM
What if, by refusing the play the game, you discover that rebellion and civil disobedience is only another part of the game we are all forced to play. It seems the only way to truly escape is to play in the most precise intervals in which you become fully aware and embrace small victories. Only with the small victories first can the final achievement be reached.

This reminds me of Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. It's a great book if anyone hasn't read it.

_K_
October 7th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Nobody has conquered the world in one move. Smaller victories lead to greater ones.

Durandal4
October 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM
The first victory will be realization of our false realities and the ambition to remove the blindfolds of the others.

_K_
October 7th, 2008, 05:32 PM
Others can only blindfold you if you let them. We see the world as we are, not as it is.

(I'm going to stop now, I've run out of philosophical phrases)

exial
October 8th, 2008, 05:38 PM
No just start making up your own philosophical phrase. Heres one:
"In time we will see that thing we fight is the thing that we will become."

techtiger
October 8th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Thats pretty much what this guys doing is just throwing a bunch of fortune cookies togeather and calling it a thought.

exial
October 8th, 2008, 05:45 PM
so.? .

Durandal4
October 8th, 2008, 10:19 PM
Fortune cookies are quite delicious but so far his theories all seem kind of skeptical. I haven't seen any type of scientific proof to back up his rants.

_K_
October 9th, 2008, 03:25 PM
He just read Anthem and decided to expand upon it.