End of the World, eh

[numerator-91]

So much for the large Hadron collider destroying us all.
one girl in India even killed herself because of all the hype about it, she drank a bottle of pesticide.

[Slawter]

The who-what?

[filthylucre]

when will people learn?!? the world wont end till' i say it does!!!

...and im thinking friday...

[crazyassmetalhead]

2012 new years party..........
lot's of drugs, alcohol and a decent stockpile of weapons
and supplies (including the above 3 but not for use in the party)

but the worlds not supposed to get fucked up until december of 2012 (not nessesarily end, but change immensly), but whatever

it'd still be a good party.

[deathlord888]

numerator i really hope you didnt belive in it creating a black hole to kill us all

and they havent collided the particles yet

[numerator-91]

of course i didn't believe that garbage, i do have functioning brain matter

[Kalli]

apparently it will take something like five months for the black hole to develop and then fifteen months for it to grow lage enough for it to swallow the earth....
it's a bunch of bullshit anyway, i doubt that they would have done it if the risk was too high...

[Kasnia]

2012 new years party..........
lot's of drugs, alcohol and a decent stockpile of weapons
and supplies (including the above 3 but not for use in the party)

but the worlds not supposed to get fucked up until december of 2012 (not nessesarily end, but change immensly), but whatever

it'd still be a good party.

It's not supposed to happen on New Years, it's supposed to be 21/12/2012

And.... That LHC thing had me worried. Fucking with atoms in a way that it could create black holes? Not my idea of a good time.

[ramalamafafafa]

.......it's a bunch of bullshit anyway, i doubt that they would have done it if the risk was too high...

dang, i was hoping to loot this weekend........

[perryjrbeard82]

i think there was probally less than 1% chance's of this going tits up and ending the world but even then the risk's out weighs the benefit

[Buddha]

thank god it's all about to end

[deathlord888]

ok let me explain this
yes it could potentionally create a black hole
but here is the thing with that
if it does create a black hole it will be insanely small, beyond our imagination small, and it would only exist for the smallest amount of time possible, it would be so short we might not even be able to detect it was ever there.
so you have no worries

[exial]

The world wont end...humanity will end and the world will continue without hesitation.

[deathlord888]

if the whole universe was sucked into a black hole i am pretty sure that would count as an ending to the world

[BASSic]

I heard that it was just as likely to produce a black hole as producing a fire breathing dragon,
pretty big chance then =] lol.

You'll never survive, 3005.

[deathlord888]

this thing is mad safe idk why everyone is so worried

[RAV]

First of all particles won't collide till october. Second a black hole is a large mass in a singularity, thus insanely small, anyone catch the drift?

Mayan death date is 21 or 19 December 2012
Note: they can't decide on the calender date.

[ramalamafafafa]

What he said.

[deathlord888]

ya even if a black hole does form, nothing will come of it
and even if some how it does consume everything(which cant happen) it would be so fast you wouldnt even notice anything happened

[meat]

ya even if a black hole does form, nothing will come of it


correct. the black hole would be so small it wouldn't do anything. it would probably eat itself just as quick as it was made.

[RAV]

Well a black hole is defined to have 40 or more solar masses. The way a black hole is usually made is that a super giant gains to much iron in its core and expands and gains solar masses. Well when there is too much solar mass for the size it collapses upon its own gravitational pull. Thus it becomes a singularity, sucking up more things with its immense gravity and thus gaining more mass, but stays the same size.

A singularity is smaller than a graviton, if they can't see a graviton what makes you think they will see a black hole. The only way we know they are there, because they are dark matter, is because there is a shift in the light of a star or they are lit up when consuming another star or matter, because at that speed matter radiates. There was an interesting study where they found that what they thought were two stars was actually one because of a black hole warping the path of its light to earth, making us able to see the same star at two different points in time.

[deathlord888]

haha exactly i am glad a fair bit of people know thier shit on here

[a2thae]

i think there was probally less than 1% chance's of this going tits up and ending the world but even then the risk's out weighs the benefit

The idea is that they collide two hadron particles to attempt to get them to break into mazons and to see what the true building blocks of the universe.

They also think that by witnessing this they can get a slightly better idea of what the big bang was like since we (in theory) cannot possibly imagine the vast amounts of energy generated in the big bang.

Picture this..the particle accelerator they are using is 17 miles in circumference, and around 5.2m in diameter. They found a way to speed up the particles to the highest possible speed, and instead of ramming it into (for the purposes that you can understand) a wall they are ramming it into another particle going the opposite direction at the same speed. The result will be a huge amount of energy....for the size of the particle.

Of course it is much more complicated than that..

The energy will be huge, and yes it can in fact create a black hole. But the black hole will exist for less than likr 1/1000000 of a second because that's how long the condition will be present. By definition, a black hole is really dense matter that has extreme gravity for it's size; so intense that not even light can escape from it. The size of the black hole will be smaller than the hadron itself..

We have nothing to worry about with this thing because the particles are so miniscule, i doubt that by colliding the particles they could destroy a brick..let alone the world.

ok let me explain this
yes it could potentionally create a black hole
but here is the thing with that
if it does create a black hole it will be insanely small, beyond our imagination small, and it would only exist for the smallest amount of time possible, it would be so short we might not even be able to detect it was ever there.
so you have no worries

Precisely.

This guy gets it. Whoever said that the black hole would grow bigger obviously doesn't understand the concept of a black hole. It doesn't "suck" things into another dimension or whatever. It just draws items towards it because of the insane gravity.

[deathlord888]

i really dont get how people can think that the world will end from this

[Warpurlgis]

cause they are uneducated morons

[numerator-91]

indeed .

[Shanx]

cause they are uneducated morons

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/almost77/shcool-1.jpg

[RAV]

Look it either is or is not going to create a black hole. If it does 1 of two things will happen. 1) You go to whatever you go to when you "die" which is heaven, hell, or nonexistance, or what ever you believe in. 2) we have a closed universe and you don't remember any of this and you relive your life.
If it doesn't happen who cares.

LOL so they have had a broken transformer for over a week now and just recently reported it. I think they turned it on and blew some transformer out lol.

[Durandal4]

Look it either is or is not going to create a black hole. If it does 1 of two things will happen. 1) You go to whatever you go to when you "die" which is heaven, hell, or nonexistance, or what ever you believe in. 2) we have a closed universe and you don't remember any of this and you relive your life.
If it doesn't happen who cares.

LOL so they have had a broken transformer for over a week now and just recently reported it. I think they turned it on and blew some transformer out lol.

DId you not read the other posts?

IF it does create a black hole, it won't hurt anyone...(or a brick as previously noted).

and IF it doesn't create a black hole, well...we can always try again.

[RAV]

Did you read my, the scientific, definition of a black hole.

Well a black hole is defined to have 40 or more solar masses. The way a black hole is usually made is that a super giant gains to much iron in its core and expands and gains solar masses. Well when there is too much solar mass for the size it collapses upon its own gravitational pull. Thus it becomes a singularity, sucking up more things with its immense gravity and thus gaining more mass, but stays the same size.

A singularity is smaller than a graviton, if they can't see a graviton what makes you think they will see a black hole. The only way we know they are there, because they are dark matter, is because there is a shift in the light of a star or they are lit up when consuming another star or matter, because at that speed matter radiates. There was an interesting study where they found that what they thought were two stars was actually one because of a black hole warping the path of its light to earth, making us able to see the same star at two different points in time.

At 40 solar masses nothing can escape this gravity, not even light. Thus if you can travel faster than the speed of light then I guess you will be fine. A black hole is a singularity and thus it is infinitesimal. They would not be able to see it. We only see black holes by the warping of space or that the mass that it consumes radiates because of its great heat that is created on the outer rim.

[Durandal4]

Yeah I kinda glanced at it...it's a lot to read...

So what you're saying is even if it does create a black hole, we wouldn't be able to tell because we can't see it?

Well if that's true, then either:

1.) There will be a giant energy release that will benefit our studies.
2.) The energy release will create a black hole killing us all.
3.) When they try to hit the two hadrons together they will miss and we all bust out laughing.

[deathlord888]

i will laugh tho if they hit and just bounce off each other

[RAV]

You can't know something by glancing at it. Please at least read all of this.

Yes we won't be able to tell because of two things we would be dead and that it is too small.

My point though is that these particles would have to be traveling at such a speed where their masses would add up to 40 solar masses. This is unreasonable because their speed would cause them to gain so much mass that they could not go that speed and thus not reaching 40 solar masses.
These particles would have to go so fast that they would become to massive to achieve their required speed to create a black hole. Rendering the creation of a black hole impossible. E=mc2 Think that you need to create 9e16ms-1 to gain 1 kg. Now how much energy would be the conversion if it was 40 solar masses? There is not that amount of energy created or could be obtained on this earth. This is why I told how a black hole is conventionally created with a super giant star, which produces vast amounts of energy and is super massive, about 30 solar masses. When the production of energy slows that energy becomes mass. When it gets approximately 40 solar masses it collapses upon itself, supernova, black hole. Two particles do not have this energy unless somehow you blast it with a vast amount of gravitons, which we can't even see let alone create, well maybe anti or exotic matter might do the trick but still with the current technology it is inconceivable.
I had something else relevant to say but I forgot it so i'll add it when i remember

[deathlord888]

good job explaining RAV

[RAV]

1 solar mass equals 1.98892e30Kg (the "e" stands for "x10^" [1 solar mass is the mass of our sun]). A black hole would equal 7.95568e31Kg (being a minimum of 40 solar masses). Now that would equate to 7.160112e48Kj. Now that is a lot of Joules (1Kj=1000J so add 3 more numbers to the "e" if you want to calculate J). The total world energy consumption in a year (2005) was 500e15Kj. So to create a black hole the LHC would somehow have to generate 1.4320224e31 times the amount of energy that we used in 2005 . Ya... quite plausible...

Though I will admit that the E=mc2 is not entirely correct its calculations are close enough for what I want to show

[mad_scientist]

this may be off subject but first of all 2012 will not be the end of the world...but it will cause a polarity shift in which bad things will happen...mostly navigation systems will crash so that means planes in the air will lose control, animals will act a little weird...in having said that i have a small thought that since of the shift could cause different brain wave activity causing the dead to rise...now thats something i would like to happen...stuff like that...next, The Andromeda Galaxy is heading toward the Milky Way Galaxy and when it hits it will cause a distortion of both galaxies...it may cause a gamma ray burst and that could be our downfall....or the asteroid thats head toward us could possibly destroy the earth...

[numerator-91]

post that in the 2012 thread

[mad_scientist]

its not all bout 2012...this is a topic for end of the world isnt it...2012 is a theory..and its part of the end of the world....it may or may not happen...

[deathlord888]

this is the topic of the LHC

dumbass

[mad_scientist]

well put it in the title instead of leaving it open to general end of the world Q&A

faggot..ill play ur game

[deathlord888]

if you would of read the first post

you have 20 posts and i already hate your guts

how can you call me a faggot?

i am neither a bundle of sticks nor am i gay

[mad_scientist]

hahaha..im not goin to get into this anymore...its just pointless to argue with a 17 year old poser thats 4rm ontario...hhahaha ur still a fag..i hate posers...

[deathlord888]

how am i a poser?
i dont think i am claiming anything here
seriously you pose to be a scientist who fails to spell the word "from"
you have done nothing constructive other than make your self look like a total jack ass in front of thousands of people, now please leave

[numerator-91]

well put it in the title instead of leaving it open to general end of the world Q&A

faggot..ill play ur game

So much for the Large Hadron Collider destroying us all.

sheer stupidity.

[deathlord888]

haha i agree

[mad_scientist]

alright well you have clarified that its a topic bout lhc but its still and open discussion for the end of the world...As for dethlord..my spelling does not matter...i am a good speller but why should i waste time in spelling every little thing corectly...im not showing off my spelling...it does not have to be perfect...next time ur goin to kiss numerators ass get ur head out of it first....i have nothin against numerator...he is very informative....but next time a topic is posted put and actual topic cuz "GENERAL" is already taken....

[deathlord888]

you are a complete and total jack ass
i was not kissing up to him i believe i insulted you first
you are the one showing off how stupid you are by not reading the very first comment in a thread then acting like it is our fault becuase you cant read

you still how not answered how i am a poser

now please leave

[numerator-91]

alright well you have clarified that its a topic bout lhc but its still and open discussion for the end of the world...As for dethlord..my spelling does not matter...i am a good speller but why should i waste time in spelling every little thing corectly...im not showing off my spelling...it does not have to be perfect...next time ur goin to kiss numerators ass get ur head out of it first....i have nothin against numerator...he is very informative....but next time a topic is posted put and actual topic cuz "GENERAL" is already taken....

stay out of pyro and weapons. any post you make their i will devour

[deathlord888]

same with hacking i will just cut up everything you say

[ramalamafafafa]

I dont mod anything, but fuck off and die anyway, mad cows disease.

EDIT: STOP USING THE TERM "UR". IT'S FUCKING IDIOTIC.

[RAV]

for someone who claims to be a scientist you are pretty fucked up in the head. Not the crazy that makes you a better scientist but just plain fucking insane. Go learn how to spell, also scientists are notoriously known to spell bad, thats why they create little shortcuts and symbols such as therefor (and if you don't know the sign for therefor then you are a fucking idiot who hasn't even taken geometry)
I wish I was moding something so I could fucking ban you, wow I agree with death here not so many posts but I hate you already.

I have to say you are the poser asshole.

[deathlord888]

sucks about the helium leak i hope it does not set them back for long, i am really looking forward to the results

[RAV]

i just hope i disbanded the fear of it creating a black hole. I don't understand how anyone thinks that that much energy could be produced in the process, then that energy transferring into matter. I mean a black hole is required to be 40 times the mass of our sun.

Was it a helium tank because i heard it was a transformer. I don't know why they would have helium anyways, they are using protons. Is it part of the process to create the cold condition and the least resistance? I haven't looked too much into it but I do know a good deal more than the average person of how it works.

I saw somewhere that Michio Kaku talked about it and said how it wasn't dangerous. I don't know I just saw the headline on a newspaper a couple days ago.

[deathlord888]

i have not heard about the transformer

the liquid helium leaked im not sure how much
but it is used for cooling the magnets
for those of you that do not know, they are using liquid helium because its boiling point is 4 kelvins (coldest possible temperature is 0 kelvins)

[Resilience]

Did you read my, the scientific, definition of a black hole.



At 40 solar masses nothing can escape this gravity, not even light. Thus if you can travel faster than the speed of light then I guess you will be fine. A black hole is a singularity and thus it is infinitesimal. They would not be able to see it. We only see black holes by the warping of space or that the mass that it consumes radiates because of its great heat that is created on the outer rim.

Sorry I was reading this, and just had to add my input. I highly doubt that solar masses was going to be created by the hadron collider. It could possibly have an effect SIMILIAR to a black hole, but the effect wouldn't be a black hole simply due to the definition of a black hole, which (I haven't looked it up but I'll believe what he's saying) is 40 solar masses.

So it would've been like a blackhole had it happened, or would've behaved in a similiar fashion.

Another thing I found interesting:

http://qntm.org/?destroy#sec2

The earth has apparently been destroyed once.

It is our duty to inform you that as of 7:35:05am UTC on September 10, 2008, the Earth has been destroyed.

The destruction of Earth was first reported by Mr Jonathan Barber of Wisconsin, United States, who spotted that his home-made seismic Earth Detector had ceased to give readings at around 8:00am (2am local time). Several other amateur geocide spotters noticed this at the same time but Mr. Barber was the first to place a telephone call to the IEDAB's Geocide Hotline (+44 115 09Ω 4127, ask for Other Dave) at which point IEDAB officials performed an emergency check of their own instrumentation and verified Mr. Barber's report, as well as fixing the exact time of geocide.

Evidence is still being collated, but preliminary results suggest that the Earth was destroyed pre-emptively by scientists at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland, before the commencement of their experiments to locate the Higgs Boson, as a precautionary measure to ensure that the experiment itself could not result in the destruction of the Earth.