My Individual Belief

[exial]

What if everything we were told was a lie. Most of the people living in present day society grew up and learned the universal story of god and the heavens an hell. This is a universal story that has been thouroughly discussed. My Idea is that maybe this whole story is nothing more than a story. There is no Almight GOD. There is no Heaven, There is No Hell. These places ideas just dont exists. Ok, now we can move forward from these arcane beliefs that have been around us since the begginings of our lives. So now that the universal story has been deleted, lets take a whole different approach to our existence. Lets examine what we know to exist. We are alive, the world we live on is alive, and we are all living on one single living organism, "what we call earth". This organism that we currently live on is alive, very alive, as we see wen a flower blossoms in the spring or when a earthquake is felt. We are living on this thing, and we are looking outside for answers when maybe we are supposed to look in. We look outside in the sky when the thing that is giving us life is not far out in the sky but it is below us. we are standing on the thing that gave us life. So im gonna take a different approach. Maybe "God" is the earth. Is that so hard to contemplate?
Lets see "We entered into the world, on the earth, we live off the earth, we live on the earth, and if the earth chooses to consume us we are consumed. The earth is our god. So instead of worshipping this imaginary figure in the sky, lets instead worship the earth, for when we die our bodies go back into the earth. When you look at a garden most think God created a beautifull garden, this is the different way to look at it, God didnt create the garden, God is the garden. U see these primitive religions which consists of worshippers of the earth, they worship trees flowers and all sort of natural life. In short words these "Primitive" people are most likely more spiritually advanced than us civilized people who look out instead of in for answers. They see what we dont see, They see that our survival isnt on the whim of some all knowing divine entity but it is on the whim of the earth. They see that they are in full mercy of the earth, as we are now. Any second an ice age could commence and wipe out all of mankind on the "whim" of the earth.
Fellow people for a while i contemplated the existence of these imaginary places and divine entitys that i was told to believe in, "as u were probally told" and not to question this entity, they created answers to all our questions (in the form of books) so that we had no room left to wonder. no room left to look outside of the box. I still hold firm to the belief that religion was made to control and divide. And that everything we have ever been told was a lie. Im now trying to delete this story that is embedded in my mind an instead trying to find answers to the truth of how we came to exist, and i think the right path to figure out how we came to be resides in the earth, and in ourselves. Its time to look inside of ourselves for the answers instead of looking out.
Just a thought - exial

[Kasnia]

What if everything we were told was a lie.

That's all I read, because thinking about that stuff trips me out sometimes.

[Spyre]

People wont consider the earth as god. We need to believe in something that isnt there. We see earth all the time, and no matter how much we rely on it and how it controls us, we think we know everything about it (even though we dont know shit about it). Even science. All the forces that control everything are all complicated and detailed, but it doesnt matter for shit here on earth. Those theories of physics are all about explaining how the universe works and why everything happens, but we cant even predict the fucking weather.

[Shanx]

lol I kind of lost my train of thought through this story. I have also realized this but I never felt like typing it all out. (Except for the other thread where I sound like a complete lunatic lol). But thats a different story. "Never doubt and one theory, no matter how stupid."

We discussed this in messages somewhat already lol =P

[A Deo et Rege]

What if I told you that I always lie, and can never tell the truth. Is that a lie or the truth?


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[numerator-91]

tis a paradox deo

[Shanx]

ha there should be a thread of only paradoxes =P

[A Deo et Rege]

tis a paradox deo

I know it is; I was trying to make the point that the accuracy of a statement is circumstantial, and can differ vastly from person to person. What is fact for you, i.e. the truth, may not be so for another individual.


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[a2thae]

What if I told you that I always lie, and can never tell the truth. Is that a lie or the truth?


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That seems to be linguistics. Most contradictory statements are false.

Nothing is for certain, even this statement.

~(P & ~P)

For the record, I'd say that was a lie. If someone walked up to me on the street and said "I always lie, and can never tell the truth" I would consider that a lie. They occassionally lie, and occassionally tell the truth. Maybe they do one more than the other but I think I get the point your trying to make deo...just wanted to add a real life moment ahahaha..looking in this thread while slightly drunk makes it much more fun.

[exial]

When someone tells you something intending for it to be true, it might be true to them but it might not hold any truth at all. Example: The man tells his son "If u are kind in heart will go to heaven" this is told in truths intention, but it might not be.

[frankenstein]

true without the earth we wouldn't survive with out the sun we wouldn't either and many other things. the sun the earth are not thinking organisms so they dont have whims. reasons cause what they do and that we can try to understand an prevent if necessary (levies, hurricane). people used to sacrifice people to volcanoes, we now know that is not a helpful solution.

if someone tells you a thought that they think is fact but is actually false they dont lie they are just misled.

[RAV]

If you look at religions you will see that most worship a sun god. If they are polytheistic then they also worship an earth god as well. Even Jesus Christ is a sun god, cleverly named the Son of God. He is the "light" that leads you, just as the sun will make your path visible.
The reason the sun god is because the sun brings us life. Without it plants can not grow. We would not be able to see. Life would cease to exist. Even the oldest of people knew how important light was, and the sun is be best source of light. This is also why we have an inherit fear of darkness.
Yes the earth also does these things but the earth does not fade in an out. It is always there. The sun is only there half the time. Ancient Egyptians believed that at dusk their god of evil beat the god of good. Also, at dawn the good god defeated the evil god.
This is why we have archetypes of black being evil and white being pure and good. They called the sun a god because they could not explain it any other way. They did not know about fusion and the fact that it creates energy in the form of light.

You do have a point.

[itismesaj]

I am a Pantheist. I believe God is in everything. So, I'm going to have to agree with that opening statement for the most part. God is not just the Earth. It is all of existence.

[Slawter]

Holy crap, this thread really makes a body think.

[exial]

I am a Pantheist. I believe God is in everything. So, I'm going to have to agree with that opening statement for the most part. God is not just the Earth. It is all of existence.

That is my same belief. That god is all life. Not some divine entity in the sky.

[exial]

When someone tells you something intending for it to be true, it might be true to them but it might not hold any truth at all. Example: The man tells his son "If u are kind in heart will go to heaven" this is told in truths intention, but it might not be.

Does that make the man a lier, or just misled? that brings me back to my first post, what if everything we have ever been told was a lie. Told in truths intention, but holds no truth at all.

[RAV]

a lie is a directed intention to mislead, so no. If you say something that to you is true then it is not a lie. If you find out you were wrong it becomes a mistake.
If you had no faith in god and told people that if they would read the bible, this is a lie (though to Christians it is not)

[Somechillguy]

yea.. ive always looked up and wondered about the stories i have been told. i mean yes of course, there is most definitely a god (this is my truth, or true to me) but i dont believe god is some invisible entity in the sky, i actually really agree with this guy.. first of all, the bible says god created all life, the earth brought us here, we didnt just appear. second, i like the idea from rav-

If you look at religions you will see that most worship a sun god. If they are polytheistic then they also worship an earth god as well. Even Jesus Christ is a sun god, cleverly named the Son of God. He is the "light" that leads you, just as the sun will make your path visible.


- this makes perfect sense, the SON of GOD. THE SUN of EARTH. scholars believe that this is entirely true on a sense that down the line translations were mixed and sun turned into son. so the son of god might literally be the sun that lights the earth.

Now look at this (this is just all my thought, but deal with it) some religions, e.g. catholics, praise the father (earth), son (sun), and the holy spirit. the holy spirit in a sense that the presence of god is always around us, always near us in some way. god in sense being the air or water or earth or something that is always around us, always providing some guidance. Now think of the environment- if god is really all of these things, doesnt it tie in with our modern day problems?? maybe we have been sinning so much that he is letting us break him down. im not saying our vehicles are sins but look at it, we have been getting worse on a spiritual sense and our world has been getting worse. maybe we need to take steps both physically and spiritually to bring the earth back before its to late, before we kill us all, before the earth decides to hit the "reset" button of sorts...

well thats just a rambling acid brain.. took me about three hours to write and i just came back to it after a break. anyways maybe it all is connected... and no worries, its not your individual belief, i believe it too.

[exial]

But then theirs always the satanist belief: We are God's of our own world. Everything we do in this life is affecting our existence and others around us, Hence the thread Chain Effect. Truly our lives are our own, our choices affect ourself and the people we interact with, we are human time bomb's in a existence that is ours. We are God's of our own world. That doesnt mean we have the ability to forsee death, or change unchangable events that might change our existence, maybe this world isnt a test, training field. Its just an existence where everyone's choices are affecting everyone elses. How we choose to live life physically and mentally is our right, and that makes us in total control of our world.

[Dylan334]

People wont consider the earth as god. We need to believe in something that isnt there. We see earth all the time, and no matter how much we rely on it and how it controls us, we think we know everything about it (even though we dont know shit about it). Even science. All the forces that control everything are all complicated and detailed, but it doesnt matter for shit here on earth. Those theories of physics are all about explaining how the universe works and why everything happens, but we cant even predict the fucking weather.

Very Very good point Spyre I salute You

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Jesus christ noob, necro much?

[exial]

Jesus christ noob, necro much?

What does that have anything to do with this thread?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Nothing, but if no one tells necroposters not to necropost, where will that get us? :-P

[Exploding_viper]

yall should watch final fantasy (the first one.) its an anime movie and it touched down on this a little bit.

[exial]

Nothing, but if no one tells necroposters not to necropost, where will that get us? :-P

If you give necro poster's attention they will thrive. The whole point is to ignore necro posters. By you making that post you fit into the category of (spammers) becuz truthfully that post had absolutely no relativity to this thread. And all you did was provoke a response lol. :cool:

[Nebuchadnezzar]

sure, but which is worse: telling an ignorant necroposter that he's wrong and provoking response on one thread, or standing by while he necroposts 20 more (remember Mcburn the dog?).

It doesn't actually matter to me, just stating my views.

[exial]

understood. but once you flaming someone for posting something of no relevance, such as a necro post, it usually starts a war. And the whole topic just veers off, and the thread becomes nothing more than mindless chatter. So lets not provoke necro posters by gifting them with a response, becuz truthfully theirs nothing we can do to stop them from writing what they want to write, is their?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Agreed :-)

[Wolkkkk]

Hah. Seriously. If someone tells you that he and Jesus are pals and that they know god. Just walk away. Every person is born with a device that can call bullshit in them. Use your head.

And about the planet being god. So basicly im shitting on him not only metaphoricly but also literally?

What is this human need to worship something?

I am a persona non grata
Make me tiny and i am a parasite
Make me a giant and i am the galaxy
Primates on earth dancing in their fancy pradas
Holy monkeys know no fear they are awesome

[Maggotsfriend]

You know Hitler and Jesus are so alike I swear they must be the same people.

[Wolkkkk]

You know Hitler and Jesus are so alike I swear they must be the same people.

Hey! You noticed too =)

[Maggotsfriend]

They both enjoy pineapple on their pizzas.