Origins Of punk you cunts

[ramalamafafafa]

Where do you think punk started, and where is it going (or is it gone???). O.K, remeber, anyone who thinks punk is about the "Sound" is a moron. I mean, i set this up to discuss non-conformist music, not fucking capitalist pigs like good charlette who ae apparently punk because they sound fucking "agressive". Yeah, Just agressive enough to sell!. pop punk is NON-EXISTANT! THERE IS NO SUCH THING! alrght, let the fucking posts begin, cunts!

[SuperSkunk]

Your a moron for thinking its not about the sound.

If it didn't sound like fucking punk it wouldn't be punk.

Idiot.

[Spyre]

punk was killed a few years ago by good charette, fallout boy, green day's newer cds, and a bunch of other bands like that. Nowdays any rich white kid that can sing in an abnormally high tone is a "punk" legend

[superflysuperwhite]

origin? could go all the way back to mid 50's rock, and rockabilly, but it became a true genre in the 70s.

and it kinda is about sound. Loud, Fast, and offensive. not all songs of corse. but not all punk is about the same shit, you have bands like the misfits who really sing about nothing really just abunch of horror shit, then bands like anti-flag or the krays who are pro-democracy and political change, then bands like leftover crack who do the anarchist thing.
so yea like all music, it is defined by sound.

and "non-conformist" music *rolls eyes* jesus christ, Lets non-conform with everyone else.

wheres it going? theres still some real punk bands out there thant arent doing the whole emo trend and shitty popy political shit (not to be confused with actual political punk)

but im pretty sure it got a final kick in the pants when G.G. allin died, there really hasnt been any like outstanding true punk bands since then. except for pop punk.

and yes there is "pop-punk" what would you call the vandals or the offspring?

and the post above me "high tone" aparently you've never heard of harcore, i mean real hardcore, F-Minus, Social Distortion, G.G. Allin. and not just hardcore, Clit-45, rancid, lars fredricson.

[ramalamafafafa]

My Point is, Pop is an igorant for of music, punk is opposed to ignorance, therefore, the two are incompatible.

[superflysuperwhite]

how is it an ignorant form of music?

and trust me if ignorance is what you base pop on, do you relieze how many "real" punk bands have unbalieveably ignorant songs and shit?

and i dont really know what you mean by "pop" but pop-punk is usually like the more upbeat bratty goofy shit like, guttermouth, the vandals, old blink 182 and sum 41. also its whatever has a really big fan base, like is popular even in the mainstream. which doesnt nesisarilly mean sellout.

[Spyre]

I just dont like pop. Even if it is the all-time most non-ignorant music that ever existed, it still sucks.

[ramalamafafafa]

Its an ignorant orm of music because it disstracts people from real issues, and instead wraps them up in superficial issues like their hair.

[straightedgepunk123]

It's true. Where are pop's values? Money? Fancy cars? All they do is sing about relationships. A few songs like that are okay, but every song is about some half-assed emotion or relationship. At least punk is fundamentally populous, and anti-corporate. Name the underlying themes in other music genres, and they just don't seem as relevant to me. As for the origin of punk, that question is nearly impossible to answer, because you can just keep going back.

[ramalamafafafa]

It's true. Where are pop's values? Money? Fancy cars? All they do is sing about relationships. A few songs like that are okay, but every song is about some half-assed emotion or relationship. At least punk is fundamentally populous, and anti-corporate. Name the underlying themes in other music genres, and they just don't seem as relevant to me. As for the origin of punk, that question is nearly impossible to answer, because you can just keep going back.

FUCK YEAH! thats what i have been trying to say man. Pop and similar genres simply encourage political and social apathy, and the status quo continues....

[ramalamafafafa]

I think punk has become pigenholed into being a fast, aggressive style of music.... As far as im concerned, Dark Side Of The Moon is as punk as Give Me Convenince Or Give Me Death..........

[crazyassmetalhead]

that is the fucking shittiest point ever

punk was created because of overly long experimental music, and the actual punk movement hated such shit.....hence the fast, short to the point songs.... it was the answer to what current pop music of the time was (bands like pink floyd)

fuck johnny rotten was wearing a pink floyd sucks t shirt when the sex pistols were just getting started


and the term punk was old prison slang for someone who gets ass raped... you seem to be trying to say anything rebellious, different or intelligent is punk..........it's not

and the fucking punk rock scene when it existed as a scene was some of the most close minded shit ever..........the whole 3 chord rebellion shit, if your song was over a minute it was too long, the fans spit on the bands, everyone dressed the same......stupid bondage pants and leather...safety pins



fuck it

[ramalamafafafa]

that is the fucking shittiest point ever

punk was created because of overly long experimental music, and the actual punk movement hated such shit.....hence the fast, short to the point songs.... it was the answer to what current pop music of the time was (bands like pink floyd)

fuck johnny rotten was wearing a pink floyd sucks t shirt when the sex pistols were just getting started


and the term punk was old prison slang for someone who gets ass raped... you seem to be trying to say anything rebellious, different or intelligent is punk..........it's not

and the fucking punk rock scene when it existed as a scene was some of the most close minded shit ever..........the whole 3 chord rebellion shit, if your song was over a minute it was too long, the fans spit on the bands, everyone dressed the same......stupid bondage pants and leather...safety pins



fuck it

Punk is based on intelligent rebellion. what, like the Dead Kennedys where a bunch of morons?

I think of it like this: Not everything intelligent and rebellious is punk, but everything punk is intelligent and rebellious. The whole "lets spit on the band" thing came about when the music rags started writing about the bands.....Then the moron brigade came along.............

[straightedgepunk123]

that is the fucking shittiest point ever

punk was created because of overly long experimental music, and the actual punk movement hated such shit.....hence the fast, short to the point songs.... it was the answer to what current pop music of the time was (bands like pink floyd)

fuck johnny rotten was wearing a pink floyd sucks t shirt when the sex pistols were just getting started


and the term punk was old prison slang for someone who gets ass raped... you seem to be trying to say anything rebellious, different or intelligent is punk..........it's not

and the fucking punk rock scene when it existed as a scene was some of the most close minded shit ever..........the whole 3 chord rebellion shit, if your song was over a minute it was too long, the fans spit on the bands, everyone dressed the same......stupid bondage pants and leather...safety pins



fuck it

I really don't think that Henry Rollins or Ian MacKaye would appreciate you calling them close minded and unintelligent. Rejecting other opinions is not necessarily close minded. If you come to a conclusion based on your standards of morality, that's perfectly justified.

[superflysuperwhite]

Punk is based on intelligent rebellion. what, like the Dead Kennedys where a bunch of morons?

I think of it like this: Not everything intelligent and rebellious is punk, but everything punk is intelligent and rebellious. The whole "lets spit on the band" thing came about when the music rags started writing about the bands.....Then the moron brigade came along.............


you're an idiot you really are
so you're saying things like. "im infected with aids, i fuck everyday, i kill everything i fuck" "i used to have freinds but a $20 rock is giving me a bone, im on crack" "hey ho lets go" "when i say dance you best dance mother fuck" thats all intelligant? maybe rebelious but inteligant not so much.

and not all punk is rebelious, just because they talk about change or problems in the government doesnt mean they're rebels.

you have one of those views that punk has to follow specific guidlines, and all bands need to have some deap meaning.
thats not what punk is.


and henry rollins is a tool, kieth morris is so much better

[crazyassmetalhead]

"I really don't think that Henry Rollins or Ian MacKaye would appreciate you calling them close minded and unintelligent"

i think it was henry rollins who said that about the whole punk scene in general and they would probably agree with most of what i said....why do you think black flag broke up anyway?....or most of the punk bands for that matter

and the dead kennedys are a bunch of morons, the only member of that band i respect is jello (who is no longer a member of that band)........shit listen to the song "chickenshit conformist" by the dead kennedys, it's all right there motherfuckers.

[straightedgepunk123]

"hey ho lets go"

The Ramones were a boy band.

[ramalamafafafa]

"I really don't think that Henry Rollins or Ian MacKaye would appreciate you calling them close minded and unintelligent"

i think it was henry rollins who said that about the whole punk scene in general and they would probably agree with most of what i said....why do you think black flag broke up anyway?....or most of the punk bands for that matter

and the dead kennedys are a bunch of morons, the only member of that band i respect is jello (who is no longer a member of that band)........shit listen to the song "chickenshit conformist" by the dead kennedys, it's all right there motherfuckers.

Yeah i kind of agree with your point on the DK's. But remember, it wasnt only jello writing the lyrics. Klaus Fluride Helped out with a lot of those political staements........

[crazyassmetalhead]

ya but when they got sued they ended up breaking up, jello went on to do shit with lard, the ***vins and his spoken word shit... the rest of the band did a half assed reunion ten or so years later

and the ramones were the key influence to bands like the sex pistols and the clash when they toured england

[ramalamafafafa]

Ive always thought of the ramones as dumb, fun, but dumb.

[crazyassmetalhead]

yea but they were very influental, their songs are short, fast, simple, and about dumb shit

the essence of punk.....

[superflysuperwhite]

yea but they were very influental, their songs are short, fast, simple, and about dumb shit

the essence of punk.....

THANK YOU!!!!!!

not every fucking thing has to have some deep meaning to be punk.

shit you could make a punk song about pissing yourself... people have!

and think of it like this ramalamafafafa. you said punks is pretty much about being non-conformist and not being about lables and rebeling and shit like that.... but look at what youve just done in this thread, you've basically labled what punk is and said a band isnt punk unless they sing about this or rebel against that. you baisically raped what your trying to..... defend?

i see it like this, if it sounds like punk its punk, simple, but like all genres of music there are sub genres and thats how you seperate bands like simple plan from abrasive wheels.

[ramalamafafafa]

This is gonna sound stupid, but i think punk is dead. Its fucking dead! Ill explain later

[superflysuperwhite]

it really is, it died in the late 80 and early 90s

im pretty syre the last nail in the coffin was GG Allins death

[filthylucre]

punk music has been dead for a while now. the shit people call punk now is ridiculously unclever. but the "punk' attitude will never die.
oh and labeling something as punk is going against "punk" beliefs, but i do it all the time(just did) so whatever

[Shanx]

Haha wow everyone is really going off on this subject. I only have this to say: I like punk music. I dont care if the songs are short or usually not even what its about. I just love the thrashing loudness of it.

[CoDy (A)]

ya but when they got sued they ended up breaking up, jello went on to do shit with lard, the ***vins and his spoken word shit... the rest of the band did a half assed reunion ten or so years later

and the ramones were the key influence to bands like the sex pistols and the clash when they toured england

Uhh, The Sex Pistols influenced the Ramones... England influenced Americas Punk Scene.

[superflysuperwhite]

Uhh, The Sex Pistols influenced the Ramones... England influenced Americas Punk Scene.

no Ramones made the sound, the clash shaped it, and the pistols blew finished it off and put it out there

the brits just infuenced the punk look

[ramalamafafafa]

No, lets not get into this "U.K Versus U.S.A" Bullshit. If it makes you feel any better, the first punk band was The Saints, an Australian band. So there.

[CoDy (A)]

no Ramones made the sound, the clash shaped it, and the pistols blew finished it off and put it out there

the brits just infuenced the punk look

The Exploied and Sex Pistol where out before all of the American Punk bands fool...

[crazyassmetalhead]

ramones formed in were signed in 74........
whatever its debatable but the point is that you're not right

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/thesexpistols/biography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock

so shut up dumb fuck

[CoDy (A)]

The Ramones was the first Punk Band to have a recording contract. But It is also arguable that the Ramones are even punk. Anyways. before the Ramones there was The NewYork Dolls, but there music was also debateable. I think the Sex Pistols were the first actual punk band.

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP DUMB FUCK!

[superflysuperwhite]

The Ramones was the first Punk Band to have a recording contract. But It is also arguable that the Ramones are even punk. Anyways. before the Ramones there was The NewYork Dolls, but there music was also debateable. I think the Sex Pistols were the first actual punk band.

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP DUMB FUCK!

okay you need to stop (what the fuck is up with the little 14yr olds always thinking they know everything about punk) you hgave a few people telling you you are wrong, with proof! wheres yours?

go away, you dont know shit, im sure the only reason you listen to punk is because you"re such a non-conformist. everyone listens to the sex pistoles and if not theyve heard atleast one song. doesnt make them experts of the genre.

[CoDy (A)]

okay you need to stop (what the fuck is up with the little 14yr olds always thinking they know everything about punk) you hgave a few people telling you you are wrong, with proof! wheres yours?

go away, you dont know shit, im sure the only reason you listen to punk is because you"re such a non-conformist. everyone listens to the sex pistoles and if not theyve heard atleast one song. doesnt make them experts of the genre.

Wow, are you really getting pissed. Why are you assuming the reasons i listen to Punk, i never stated that i thought that i was such a non-conformist. (What is up with all of these 19 year olds who think they are so much more mature, I mean really, theres no reason to be pissed because a 14 year old knows how to use google.)

[crazyassmetalhead]

anyone who knows anything about music will say the sex pistols weren't the first punk band....and if you knew how to use google we wouldn't be arguing the point cause that's where i got the fucking articles written by people who were actually alive at the time of the emergence of such things.......

how about the stooges or something, that's at least considered right by some people.

but honestly trying to find the first band labeled something is just retarded and that's all this arguement is right now.......

[superflysuperwhite]

Wow, are you really getting pissed. Why are you assuming the reasons i listen to Punk, i never stated that i thought that i was such a non-conformist. (What is up with all of these 19 year olds who think they are so much more mature, I mean really, theres no reason to be pissed because a 14 year old knows how to use google.)

ha i dont see were you get that im getting pissed, but w/e its okay if you want to sound all cool and w/e trying to sound all.. w/e your really nothing so me getting pissed atr you is out of the question.

i just like to reminde peopl e when they are wrong, especiall little 14yr old shits, cus its just so fun (rolls eyes) get over yourself

[CoDy (A)]

ha i dont see were you get that im getting pissed, but w/e its okay if you want to sound all cool and w/e trying to sound all.. w/e your really nothing so me getting pissed atr you is out of the question.

i just like to reminde peopl e when they are wrong, especiall little 14yr old shits, cus its just so fun (rolls eyes) get over yourself

Because 19 year old drop outs KNOW ALL

[superflysuperwhite]

im actually in college there kiddo =)

[CoDy (A)]

im actually in college there kiddo =)

You have the charm of a drop out.

[superflysuperwhite]

You have the charm of a drop out.

you are such a silly bitch

wether or not a person drops out or not doesnt dictate their charicter [once again you're wrong =)] i know quite a few drop outs who are lovly people.

but w/e you're an arrogant little twat so i guess it all evens out.

suck it

[ramalamafafafa]

I'm a dropout.....

[CoDy (A)]

you are such a silly bitch

wether or not a person drops out or not doesnt dictate their charicter [once again you're wrong =)] i know quite a few drop outs who are lovly people.

but w/e you're an arrogant little twat so i guess it all evens out.

suck it


There stupid cause they dropped out, What kind of job is a dropout gonna pursue? Something that dosen't need knowledge at all, wich is why they dropped out in the first place. Or there just lazy.


Lets get back on topic...

[brennan6632]

There stupid cause they dropped out, What kind of job is a dropout gonna pursue? Something that dosen't need knowledge at all, wich is why they dropped out in the first place. Or there just lazy.


Lets get back on topic...


yeah drop outs just can't do anything, a drop out can't go share an appartment with friends while each paying for there share of the rent by working part time at mcdonalds and have a layed back partying life style... that would just be absurd...

[Phoenix Fire]

Thanks for necroing, come again.

[superflysuperwhite]

you know by you saying that you're just keeping the thread alive yourself.

[Wolkkkk]

I read only the 1 page of this topic. And i just feel like saying that: Don`t watch tv. Just don`t do it. I never watch tv. Theres only negative shit in there. Go do something. Even computer is not as lame as TV. But i do recomment actually getting out of your house. Spend all your money on drugs and alcohol. Maybe you will get some perspective on stuff.

[penfold]

the anti-nowhere league and crass

[King Rat]

Black Flag brought these issues out and shuved them up the worlds ass

[N3VVRmiNd]

Good Charlotte is pretty faggish. (Yes, a pile of sticks) But I think the origins of punk came from the teens that were actually intelligent, and well caught up in politics. They also wanted to piss of their parents, so they threw some loud junk together about how much the government is shit. I totally agree but the way. "Government is another way to say BETTER THAN YOU" - Corey Taylor

[Dracus124]

Punk sucks. plain and simple.

[pissed_drunk666]

punks not dead!!!

[hdeuce]

Good Charlotte is pretty faggish. (Yes, a pile of sticks) But I think the origins of punk came from the teens that were actually intelligent, and well caught up in politics. They also wanted to piss of their parents, so they threw some loud junk together about how much the government is shit. I totally agree but the way. "Government is another way to say BETTER THAN YOU" - Corey Taylor

The origins of punk came from drug addicts with limited talent telling the world to fuck off through the venue of a dirty shitty hole in the wall country music bar. Rolling around in glass, hitting fans with mic stands and all around fucking shit up for no reasons other than to say fuck you to the world.

[hdeuce]

ramones formed in were signed in 74........
whatever its debatable but the point is that you're not right

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/thesexpistols/biography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock

so shut up dumb fuck

Everyone is missing major bands like mc5, the new york dolls, velvet underground, patti smith. Punk isn't a sound its a scene, American punk was definately around before the sex pistols. Funny thing is the pistols were actually the monkeys of the punk world, malcom mcclaren manufactured them because punk was such a hit, they didn't create punk they exploited it. The ramones came late onto the scene too punk had been around for a long time when the ramones came out. Anyone who actually wants to know read Please Kill Me: The uncensored oral history of punk. by legs mcniel and gillian mcCain its an interesting read. Especially when they get into The doors stealing music from punk bands and shit.
mc5 formed in the mid sixties

[not_me]

Well, I like the Dead Kennedys. I think they were formed around the 70's, and had great hits like "MTV get off the air" "We eat children" and "Holiday in Cambodia"

[CriminalAnarchist]

punk started in the 70s with the new york dolls, the ramones, DK, the clash, blondie, the jams, etc...it blew up in the 80s...settled in the 90s...and today turned into a fashion statement by teenage comformist who wear bright neon skinny jeans and fohawk theyre hair cuz they want to b different from everyone else...so different theyre just like everyone else :)

[hdeuce]

punk started in the 70s with the new york dolls, the ramones, DK, the clash, blondie, the jams, etc...it blew up in the 80s...settled in the 90s...and today turned into a fashion statement by teenage comformist who wear bright neon skinny jeans and fohawk theyre hair cuz they want to b different from everyone else...so different theyre just like everyone else :)

Actually all most of the bands you named were the first reincarnation of punk. Punk actually started in the mid sixties with bands like mc5, the stooges, johnny thunders and others.

[CriminalAnarchist]

Actually all most of the bands you named were the first reincarnation of punk. Punk actually started in the mid sixties with bands like mc5, the stooges, johnny thunders and others.

oh yeah! i feel retarded i totally forgot about the stooges :( damn

[katt]

oh yeah! i feel retarded i totally forgot about the stooges :( damn

noooo...you can't forget about the stooges!

[CriminalAnarchist]

i kno i kno i feel stupid :(

[Restless soul]

Lol, I listened to mostly all those bands and I just now realise that was punk Oo. I tought that was hard rock. And rly, what's the difference between, lets say, Velvet undergound and hmm...motorhead? Sadly it(punk, hard-rock) isn't much popular in my country.

[hdeuce]

big difference between the velvet underground and motorhead lol have you ever heard either of them? They sound no where near the same.

[Restless soul]

Yes I did. That's why I posted them. Can you say me what is the difference between hard rock and punk?

[hdeuce]

yes I can. Punk is good.

[Restless soul]

That's a bad argument.

[hdeuce]

I wasnt arguing.

[ravenscar]

classic hard rock, if you dont like it you can suck my dick and take it from an ass

[punkassbitch]

yes I can. Punk is good.

:cool: nicely put Deuce.

[hdeuce]

Thank you bitch.

[ravenscar]

no comments,hmm............

[ilovethegrind]

origin of punk?

[Restless soul]

The difference between punk and hard rock is like between goddamn cocacola and pepsi. Pepsi is sweeter.