Human Weapons

[numerator-91]

this thread is all about human weapons and the most effective martial arts/fighting styles. vote on your favourite and tell us if you have trained in any.
personally i have done 2 years mauy thai but i never really got that interested or competitive with it so i gave it up and i have now been doing Krav Maga for bout 3 years now.

[AlbertWesker]

I haven't personally trained in any martial arts, I wanted to for a while but considered that I would really not have any use for that sort of thing.

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

yea same here havent trained in anything tho when i was like way younger i had my heart set on learning any sort of karate but i was always just brushed off with a "well see" so i am just gonna vote on boxing cause thats always fun to watch on HBO

[Viva la Guevara]

Every one was kung foo fighting....
i didnt know boxing was a martial art

[numerator-91]

Every one was kung foo fighting....
i didnt know boxing was a martial art

you'll notice i said martial art/FIGHTING STYLE krav maga technically isn't a martial art either. please guys tell me what you voted for and why.

[Phoenix Fire]

Cuong Nhu
put it on the poll

[numerator-91]

Cuong Nhu
put it on the poll

can't edit the poll, but i'm curious care to tell me a little more about it

[BadKarma..]

judo and brazilian ju jitsu are mine...

but tae kwon do... the place where i trained at and got my black belt was a joke, but i guess if you go to the right place for that... it could be pretty sick.....

and phoenix- where you hear bout that from? i just looked it up... mixed from wing chun, shotokan, aikido and more? thats some intense fighting... then again, im biased. i think anything with wing chun is nasty. they go for the throat.

[GREAT THIEF]

MMA
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[numerator-91]

judo and brazilian ju jitsu are mine...

but tae kwon do... the place where i trained at and got my black belt was a joke, but i guess if you go to the right place for that... it could be pretty sick.....

and phoenix- where you hear bout that from? i just looked it up... mixed from wing chun, shotokan, aikido and more? thats some intense fighting... then again, im biased. i think anything with wing chun is nasty. they go for the throat.

nothing wrong with going for the throat in a life or death situation. krav maga has taught me well, that you cannot count on anyone eklse to fight clean so why should you. for example someone comes at you with a knife, block the arm and kick him in the crotch so hard his nuts are coming out his mouth.

[crazyassmetalhead]

i like the krav maga style, seen some of it on the fighting shows on the history and discovery channels. looks pretty effective and brutal. thinking about buying a dvd or book or something on ebay or somewhere to learn some of it (getting formal training would be too expensive)

[GREAT THIEF]

Go out and get in fights...then when you get ur ass kicked you can think of what u did wrong and fix it! genius bra! trust me i get into plenty of fights cos i love watching little boys at the pool and other people don't take to knidly to that

p.S- why the hell does my activity keep fluctuating? I had a medal at 100% yesterday then it was at 50 then 33 and its at 24%

[numerator-91]

p.S- why the hell does my activity keep fluctuating? I had a medal at 100% yesterday then it was at 50 then 33 and its at 24%

what is this trash. post that in bullshit

[superflysuperwhite]

karav maga no doubt, teaches you to kill with anything it nuts

[numerator-91]

karav maga no doubt, teaches you to kill with anything it nuts

have you ever trained with Krav Maga?

[BadKarma..]

nothing wrong with going for the throat in a life or death situation. krav maga has taught me well, that you cannot count on anyone eklse to fight clean so why should you. for example someone comes at you with a knife, block the arm and kick him in the crotch so hard his nuts are coming out his mouth.

i agree... theres no reason not to. but i think i was theif? hes got it right for the most part.. try what fits you best.

but i never heard bout krav maga until right now. ISF are some badass soldiers. i should look more into it...

[crazyassmetalhead]

numerator, do u know of any instructional krav maga books or dvds that are worth a shit for someone trying to learn on their own?

[numerator-91]

learning by yourself is practically impossible, you need to practice against opponents for many excercises often multiple opponents. go to the ikmf website (just type it in google) then go to your contry and look up instructors. see if there are any near where you live.

[Sionyx]

I said Karate, because that is the only one that I have taken, although my sensai's Katate is not "traditional" because he has taken many different martial arts and uses/teaches many different fighting styles in class.

When you go for his advanced course, which is borderline cruelty, he doesn't teach you how to use a certain style, but how to fight in a functional way (he will also randomly whip out a plastic knife and other things to keep you prepared for anything). He is borderline insane.

[numerator-91]

i despise formal karate. no offence to anyone, but it's a load of shit. all the knife and stick defences are horribly flashy and rather innefective. and punch from your waist? what retarted chimp thought up that one.

[Cannon D]

i would have to say Hapkido because its a more conservative way of fighting since you use the persons momentum against themselves

[hunter2011]

WOW krav magra, i really respect you even more numerator, i took boxing from age 12 to 15 and am now taking jiu jitsu, i love it becuase i am somewhat small and the momentum theory works wonders for me

[meat]

i would of voted for a style i call "after to many pints guinness"

[a2thae]

I used to be a brawler, but I have adopted some dakentaijutsu(not Kara Te, that is more general) skills (mostly the koppojutsu/koshijtsu which is essentially bone breaking/nerve targeting) and I am learning a little Muay Thai, but all in all I consider myself to be a street fighter, not too technical, not too raw.

By the way nin jutsu is mostly throwing weapons etc., the tai jutsus are more of the fighting.

However I think you could be talking about the art of the invisible warrior. That is sort of fighting I guess. I think of it more of "jumping someone"

For example one of the more basic moves in ninjitsu (ninjutsu? I can't remember which one is the invisible warrior one) is when you stealthily sneak up on a victim, on the ground (the victim is standing of course) and tickle their ankles. Once they look down, grab the ankles and pretty much stand up. This is effective because if they use their hands to break their fall (quick reflexes) their wrist would be broken, then you proceed to finish them as much as you are willing to. If they don't put their arms to break their fall, then you fuck up their neck, and probably leave them paralyzed for life.

I've studied, and practiced a little bit of that..forgot about it till I took a second look at the poll. It's been awhile.

[Ninjaofdeth]

I used to be a brawler, but I have adopted some dakentaijutsu(not Kara Te, that is more general) skills (mostly the koppojutsu/koshijtsu which is essentially bone breaking/nerve targeting) and I am learning a little Muay Thai, but all in all I consider myself to be a street fighter, not too technical, not too raw.

By the way nin jutsu is mostly throwing weapons etc., the tai jutsus are more of the fighting.

However I think you could be talking about the art of the invisible warrior. That is sort of fighting I guess. I think of it more of "jumping someone"

For example one of the more basic moves in ninjitsu (ninjutsu? I can't remember which one is the invisible warrior one) is when you stealthily sneak up on a victim, on the ground (the victim is standing of course) and tickle their ankles. Once they look down, grab the ankles and pretty much stand up. This is effective because if they use their hands to break their fall (quick reflexes) their wrist would be broken, then you proceed to finish them as much as you are willing to. If they don't put their arms to break their fall, then you fuck up their neck, and probably leave them paralyzed for life.

I've studied, and practiced a little bit of that..forgot about it till I took a second look at the poll. It's been awhile.

have you taken ninjutsu? (sp?) it is also called Budo Taijutsu, i took it for a few months. its all about attacking nerves and joints, eyes and groins, while using minimal energy.

i've take tae kwon do for 10 years, its not really a fighting martial art but i enjoy it. like we fight and such, its just that there too many rules to be used on the street. on the side with some people i train groundfighting, muy tai and took boxing for like a year. my friend and i do some pretty much ufc style stuff with each other, thats interesting. tae kwon do isnt really effective against say, krav maga, brazilian jujitsu, budo taijutsu or other fighting martial arts/styles, but i've been in fights with people that thought they were good without any martial arts training, and a good kick to the head puts em in their place haha

and numerator, a good karate punch from the hip has a ridiculous amount of force because all of the torque u can get. your hips to add more power to the punch than say, a boxing punch. budo taijutsu punches are simlar to boxing punches, but you keep your fist vertical, wich is faster but doesnt get the added energy of the rotation.

[numerator-91]

what good is a powerful punch if someone is already smacking you in the face because your guard is down?
besides a proper boxing jab and/or cross also uses the rotation of hips and shoulders to increase power and range while narrowing the attack profile.

[a2thae]

have you taken ninjutsu? (sp?) it is also called Budo Taijutsu, i took it for a few months. its all about attacking nerves and joints, eyes and groins, while using minimal energy.

i've take tae kwon do for 10 years, its not really a fighting martial art but i enjoy it. like we fight and such, its just that there too many rules to be used on the street. on the side with some people i train groundfighting, muy tai and took boxing for like a year. my friend and i do some pretty much ufc style stuff with each other, thats interesting. tae kwon do isnt really effective against say, krav maga, brazilian jujitsu, budo taijutsu or other fighting martial arts/styles, but i've been in fights with people that thought they were good without any martial arts training, and a good kick to the head puts em in their place haha

and numerator, a good karate punch from the hip has a ridiculous amount of force because all of the torque u can get. your hips to add more power to the punch than say, a boxing punch. budo taijutsu punches are simlar to boxing punches, but you keep your fist vertical, wich is faster but doesnt get the added energy of the rotation.

Budo Taijutsu is the generalized name for it, same with Bujinikan. The using minimal energy part of ninjutsu are specific enough to be considered separate arts; koppojutsu, and koshijutsu. I guess I got a little specific, but then again, that's how I was taught.

You can always evade, then punch numerator. A punch from the hips is a little more effective than a boxing punch, the only difference is that the stance with a boxing punch allows you to block more efficiently. I'm not sure if you can dish out punches faster with either style...but there are advantages/disadvantages.

[numerator-91]

puncing from the hip is strategically retarded

[Ninjaofdeth]

puncing from the hip is strategically retarded

and that is why in tae kwon do its really only used in board breaks and katas.

most tae kwon do sparring punches are reverse punches with the back (punching) hand starting around the solar plexus-ish, and not COMPLETELY dropped to the hip, as it would be for a board break or kata (i think theres a difference in hand position between japanese and korean styles though). a boxing style stance isnt too great at blocking or being able to throw kicks, so a boxing style punch is not practical in a tae kwon do fight. i already stated that someone trained in tae kwon do (unless they were a god....there are some fucking beast tae kwon do fighters) would get their ass handed to them by a fighting martial art like jujitsu or fighting style like krav maga.

[numerator-91]

Krav Maga employs your bog standard general outlet stance like used in boxing and you can still throw your kicks in fairly easily, you just have to develop your kinaesthetic sense so you can kick off the front and back leg

[Ninjaofdeth]

i dont know much about the implementation of krav maga, but in boxing the stance requires you to (in a way), square your hips. with your hips facing the front, or relatively towards the font, it is not possible to execute kicks in a side motion (as in not a thrusting kick) as fast as in a position where your hips are sideways to your attacker like in tai kwon do. all you have to do is lift your leg up and slightly torque your hips in order to kick someone in the face or chest, but a similar kick executed from a boxing style stance requires you to first turn your hips sideways and then execute the kick, which even done in one motion isnt as fast as tae kwon do kick. i know in more street fight-styles the kicks are usually to the groin, knees and abdomen, and less towards the head, so in those styles the boxing style stance has an advantage, where in a martial art like tae kwon do where one kicks to the head and chest a stance where the hips are more perpendicular to the opponent is more efficient for speed and power.

a boxing style punch would be impractical from a stance of someone in tae kwon do. again, i'm not saying tae kwon do is better or anything, i'm just explaining the reasoning behind the stance

haha a short video of some people getting owned in tae kwon do tournaments

idk if this will work so ill add a link

edit- after watching this again, the only badass one is the last one. even though it is ridiculously impractical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8jnKKUQrb4

[numerator-91]

the stance my instructor taught me is not quite front on, so when you turn your shoulders for a punch you narrow your profile and there is less of a target to attack. and your right about kicking in a street fight, i wouldn't ever go for a head kick in a real life fight as i'm not that quick and i'd be leaving myself out there.

[Ninjaofdeth]

yeah, if i were to get in a street fight i would forget (essesntially) everthing i know and just be a straight up asshole, kicks to the side of the knee and punches to the throat.

i know a guy whos like 45 now and he has been in a hella lot of street fights, he claims the best way to take out a guy in a street fight is with open hands, chops to the collar bones and arteries in the neck, palms to the nose, eye gouges, and bone breaks. i wouldnt know though

[numerator-91]

that sounds about right. and hell if all else fails sink your boot into his crotch

[Ninjaofdeth]

touche

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[demonjames]

What about Sambo? It should be on there, hell it originated the mma lifestyle as it is, they were doing sambo back in the war with germany to take down the germans in hand to hand, Combat sambo is pretty violent and deadly, while sport sambo not so much but none the less it was pretty kicking.

[numerator-91]

i only had 10 spaces to fill. should've put other instead of savate

[Ninjaofdeth]

yeah, fuck savate. haha if i wanna get kicked in the face i'm sure not goin to france to do it

[GREAT THIEF]

Yeah that would seem kind of pointless to me too...

[onthejon55]

i voted krav maga, i havent taken any real traing but wat convinced me was one of my teachers had a lil demo in the back of our class room one day, he told this really ghetto that he was allowed to try and punch the teacher in the face with no repercussions the kid bounced around for a few secs with his fists up, threw the punch and in about 1/2 a second my teacher grabbed his armed hit the kid and the neck and some how wound up behind the kid in a perfect position to choke him out, the kid came to school the next day holding his head at a 75 degree angle cuz it was still fucked up from when the teacher hit him the day before

[MISFlT]

Muay Thai. check it out, Tony Jaa in Ong Bak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqV1RWDhXc

[Slawter]

he actually suks in real fighting, but he's flashy. id say thtat russian martial art, name escapes me

[numerator-91]

sambo .

[TheMaggot]

I watched a documentry on national geographic about human wepons, it was called "fight science" if your into hand to hand combat you should really see it. It goes over a range of fight styles measures power on crash test dumbies and speed (i forget how they measured speed) it also confirmed the heart punch and ect. check it out...

[Exploding_viper]

i need something good to get into, but it will probably have to be self taught. i took taekwando for 3 years but got tired of the "posing" if you will

[Maggotsfriend]

Would you class street fighting as a fighting style?

[Phoenix Fire]

can't edit the poll, but i'm curious care to tell me a little more about it

MMA
"Hard Soft"
Created after Vietnam war in Vietnam
Shotokan, Wing Chun, Judo, Aikido, Tai Chi Chuan, Vovinam, and Western Boxing.
Brutal shit.

[Slawter]

sounds badass.

and yes, sambo is wut i wuz thinking of. thought thats wut it wuz called

[Phoenix Fire]

I did some research on that Muay Thai shit.
Beating people to death with knees, elbows, and heels.
Sounds fun

[BurnDown]

I have one that im interested in and have been learning for 14 years. Its called hapkido. Its awesome ;). You should look it up

[psyonic_7]

Studied Tae Kwon Do as a kid and now study Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, Muay Thai, and Wrestling. I am admittedly a novice in all of the aforementioned areas though.

I think training in one area leaves room for weeknesses in that style to be exploited. (Like taking a strictly pugelistic style fighter to the ground...)

[pyro_davey]

muay tai is brutal if u train in muay tai then kickboxing and then becom a reg boxer u will not be takin down

[itismesaj]

Savate is basically French brawling. It is sick. I love it.

[borderpetrol]

Two years of Jui Jitsu

[skullcandy]

Krav maga, because there are no rules, so everything is unexpected. It's also the most practical.

[Spirit of Diablo]

Well, I've trained in both Sambo and Eskrima, so I'd have to go for them. Sambo is brutal, and eskrima is both fast and brutal.

[VivaZapata]

lots of bullshit here, people who watch shows on television and dont know their asshole from their dick in the MA mouthing off which style is best.
You guys can stick to your Krav Maga your set in your ways let reality burst your little RBSD bubble lmao.

I personally hold a Dan grade in WTF TKD took me 7 years from 9-16 to earn it my Gwan Jang was a ROK Marine and always took it hard on us Korean Gyopos. I have also studied Sun Mu Sul a Kyokushin ofshoot, and currently study BJJ and Judo.

When it comes to Martial Arts it is mostly due to the individual not the style but having a style that puts credence on alive training is always good. BULLSHIDO. COM nuff said.

[sqizzie]

to be effective in any style of martial arts you have to learn a fighting style that is suited to you ,your body style ,your natural speed and agility all are important in recognizing what kind of training you would get the most out of based on your physical abilities .Me personally,i feel like im more of an effective boxer because i am tall thin and very fast ,i have naturally good reflexes and my body style is more suited to that kind of fighting i have studied Brazilian jujitsu but because my body inst suited to that kind of combat i might be able to apply it to someone who isnt trained but if they are conditioned and are familiar with BJJ then im in trouble.how ever i have KO guys that are twice my size simply by being faster and more accurate with my punches.its all about knowing what your body is capable of and using your natrual physical abilities to your advantage . im not very flexible or really that strong ,i know im not comfortable fighting on the ground so i know that BJJ or wrestling wouldn't be my primary way of fighting ,im not very big so if i was going to fight someone bigger than me i would stay away from their inside and try to out maneuver them so that i could keep them off balance ,fighting isnt always about skills or how strong or fast you are ,its also mental

[ShadowStep]

I find it too hard to vote for the best because I've only trained in kickboxing.

[Ghostfacekiller]

I have to say Krav Maga

[sightblinder]

Nin jutsu is more of a way of life than a martial art, it covers everything from horse riding to the art of escape, but ju jutsu when applied to a situation correctly is awesome, judo is just wannabe ju jutsu. The skills learnt in Karate (some schools at least) can be applied to any martial art, the blocks and strikes can be used in all; try using some of the karate techniques in a boxing match you punch shit loads harder than the poser who just straightens his arm

[Imperium]

Nin jutsu is more of a way of life than a martial art, it covers everything from horse riding to the art of escape, but ju jutsu when applied to a situation correctly is awesome, judo is just wannabe ju jutsu. The skills learnt in Karate (some schools at least) can be applied to any martial art, the blocks and strikes can be used in all; try using some of the karate techniques in a boxing match you punch shit loads harder than the poser who just straightens his arm

You ignorant fool. Karate is a dud. The Japanese didn't wan't foreigners learning their fighting secrets so they taught them incorrect skills such as rotating your arm while punching. Boxing an Mauy Thai teach far more effective punching techniques. Your assumption on extending the arm is also flawed, standard boxing straight arm punch employs shoulder and hip rotation as well as turning the heel.

[Ninjaofdeth]

i find it funny that Ninjutsu punches are literally straightening your arm. they dont turn it (or at least thats what my 3rd degree black belt Ninjutsu teacher taught me awhile back [i dont do Ninjutsu anymore])

karate and boxing both have their strong points. some of the superfight karate fighters are hardcore, and so are some of the boxers

Ninjutsu is incredibly efficient at fucking someone up in a life threatening situation as long as you know how to work the body. i know a guy who's been doing martial arts for 30 years and has trained in Ninjutsu for awhile, any way i attack him he somehow fucks up my limb and i end up on the ground. HOWEVER unless someone is very good at Ninjutsu it can be a false sense of security. if one doesnt know what to do in every situation it will be the classic situation of "no, punch me with your other arm so i can break it...no, dont bend your arm. keep it straight..and so on". Ninjutsu masters FUCK PEOPLE UP with little effort. it is not a sport. its for breaking limbs, tendons, tearing flesh, hitting nerve clusters, gouging eyes, using Jujutsu (essentially), evasion, using throwing weapons, using anything around as a weapon and other things that dont really apply to this era.

also, karate is not one specific martial art. many martial arts fall within karate. karate just means empty hand, or karate do, way of the empty hand. Tae kwon do is a combination of japanese and korean martial arts. thats what most people think of when they hear karate. (this info coming from my 6th degree black belt sensei, in my own words of course)

if you ask me the best fighting style is MMA. as long as its a balanced MMA fighter, they'll fuck people up. brazillian jujutsu, krav maga, muy tai, boxing, wrestling, karate; as long as they are efficient at all or most of those, people will get hurt.

edit-however, i agree that a single punch from a effective karate fighter has more strength than a punch from an equally strong boxer. (i've taken both styles, fought in both styles, trained in both styles). by punch i mean reverse punch (back hand). a boxers jab will be a lot stronger than one who only does karate's front hand punch/jab/backfist.

[GunMetal]

Your most efficient weapon is your brain, No-one ever needs to fight.

[crazyassmetalhead]

those unable to kill will always be at the mercy of those who are.

[Buddha]

sad but true

[Tysnatch]

Kickboxing!!! You frogot to write kickboxing!!!

[numerator-91]

Savate and Mauy Thai are close enough.

[a2thae]

Ninjutsu is incredibly efficient at fucking someone up in a life threatening situation as long as you know how to work the body. i know a guy who's been doing martial arts for 30 years and has trained in Ninjutsu for awhile, any way i attack him he somehow fucks up my limb and i end up on the ground. HOWEVER unless someone is very good at Ninjutsu it can be a false sense of security. if one doesnt know what to do in every situation it will be the classic situation of "no, punch me with your other arm so i can break it...no, dont bend your arm. keep it straight..and so on". Ninjutsu masters FUCK PEOPLE UP with little effort. it is not a sport. its for breaking limbs, tendons, tearing flesh, hitting nerve clusters, gouging eyes, using Jujutsu (essentially), evasion, using throwing weapons, using anything around as a weapon and other things that dont really apply to this era.




Ive said this once, and i will say it one more time.

YOUR SPEAKING OF KOSHIJUTSU, and KOPPOJUTSU. Which are specific enough to be considered their own arts. Ninjutsu is the art of the invisible warrior, and i believe deals with projectiles.

Bujinikan is too ruthless and dangerous to be a sport. and by extension all of that which are apart of it.

Look some fucking shit up. I'm only calling you on this because you also call that on whoever said Kara Te.

::EDIT:: Savate and Muay Thai differ because in Muay Thai people are taught that most of the strength comes from the core. As far as I know, that's not the case with savate...

[numerator-91]

I meant Savate and Mauy Thai are close enough to kick boxing even though they greatly differ from each other.

[Ninjaofdeth]

Ive said this once, and i will say it one more time.

YOUR SPEAKING OF KOSHIJUTSU, and KOPPOJUTSU. Which are specific enough to be considered their own arts. Ninjutsu is the art of the invisible warrior, and i believe deals with projectiles.

Bujinikan is too ruthless and dangerous to be a sport. and by extension all of that which are apart of it.

Look some fucking shit up. I'm only calling you on this because you also call that on whoever said Kara Te.

::EDIT:: Savate and Muay Thai differ because in Muay Thai people are taught that most of the strength comes from the core. As far as I know, that's not the case with savate...

touche. i was told it was budotaijutsu which was similar enough to be able to call it ninjutsu. appararently i was wrong/lied to. however, the guy i learned from was a master at rolling out of pretty much anything, and was wicked good with projectiles.

also, after "looking some fucking shit up", i found this on Wiki...

"The Bujinkan (武神館) is an international Ninjutsu organization based in Japan and headed by their grandmaster Masaaki Hatsumi."

and again...it was wiki, so could be wrong


this is the guy i learned from for a bit

http://www.tonbo-budotaijutsu.com/index.cfm?page=8

[a2thae]

the dude looks somewhat knowledgeable from the site, but the whole "budo taijutsu is ninjutsu" thing is a common misconception.

Budo Taijutsu I guess can be called bujinikan. I wasn't into it for a super long time, boxing is more my thing nowadays.

Also, he seems to emphasize elusive opportunistic striking. (This is just a first impression guess, i just peeped the site.) I can't really say much else because i haven't seen him in action.

[Cake]

I have a black belt in american karate....BUT i did jui jitsu (Brazilian) for about 3 months and there were many simple and effective moves.....and it was fun to get to choke people instead of kick em :P

[OPIUM]

Personally I've trained in Muay Tai but I'd have to say that my most favorite form of fighting would have to be MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program). One Mind Any Wepon!

[OPIUM]

And on top of that MCMAP teaches you in the brown and black belt courses how to take on multipul people at the same time with minimal injuries to yourself. And on top of all of that every move that you are taught even starting off in tan belt teaches you how to kill your opponent with minimal effort on your part! Can you say Ooh-Rah muther fuckers

[numerator-91]

Never trained in MCMAP, the most similar fighting style I could think of would be military grade Krav Maga. I have trained civillian level for a few years now and I realy want to do some international training in Israel or other parts of Europe where they practice the real heavy shit.

[OPIUM]

What MCMAP is, is every single fighting style all roled into one "super style" if you will! It has a defence and an offence for every style out their and it can counter all of them at the same time.

[numerator-91]

Sounds alot like Krav Maga.

[crazyassmetalhead]

it is pretty much

[Imperium]

If he ever asks to demonstrate a pressure point, don't let him. He punched me in he throat a while back.

[numerator-91]

Will you stop bitching about that.

[crazyassmetalhead]

interesting considering your swastika avatar

[abbykassh]

i know a bit of judo .. but didn't vote for it .. it's way too *****g imo ..

[a2thae]

Knowing judo I think is definitely a plus, it fucks with the mind of someone if you can put them on their back anytime you can tie them up, and throw them down onto the ground.

Judo by itself isn't that great, it's nice because it mixes it up, but you should have some type of striking incorporated if you plan on fighting not in sport context, but in a brawl.

I always wanted to try judo, but never followed through.

[WeirdD]

in my opinion muay thai is the deadliest, followed by judo and jiu-jitsu.
shodokan karate is deadly, too.

[a2thae]

in my opinion muay thai is the deadliest, followed by judo and jiu-jitsu.
shodokan karate is deadly, too.

Bujinikan is the deadliest...

Muay Thai, Judo, and jiu-jitsu have sports. Bujinikan is just too brutal for a sport.

[WeirdD]

sorry but thats a pretty ignorant post.

the competition "versions" of those "sports" have all been drastically softened up.

I'm a brown belt in judo and some of the sensei's ive studied under could do shit to most people that would make them cry like little girls.

[a2thae]

Do you even know what the fuck bujinikan is?...you are a fucking idiot.

[WeirdD]

do you even know what muay thai is?
all martial arts were created for a reason, to fuck people's shit up

your the idiot if you think ANY martial art isnt deadly when you know how to apply it.

[a2thae]

do you even know what muay thai is?
all martial arts were created for a reason, to fuck people's shit up

your the idiot if you think ANY martial art isnt deadly when you know how to apply it.

You didn't answer my question. If read the fucking thread you would know that I've practiced Muay Thai.

"Your" the idiot, you think martial arts were created to fuck people's shit up? They were mainly created for self-defense. Imbecile.

You said yourself "deadliest" I wasn't disputing the deadliness of any martial art.

Fucking moron, just go die.

[WeirdD]

good for you you practiced muay thai, i know people who have "practiced" jiu jitsu and couldn't put a RNC on a 12 year old.

i said your post was ignorant cause you said they were "sports"

playing with guns wasnt a sport til paintball came around either

[a2thae]

You have yet to answer my original question: Do you even know what the fuck bujinikan is?

The answer is obviously no or you would've answered after I asked twice. This is reason one why you are dipshit: Hypocrite, calling one ignorant when you are ignorant.

Reason two for dipshit-ness: You interpret what I said that they are "sports" when in fact I said that they had sports; which in comparison bujinikan doesn't because it is unable to with the brutality of the art.

Reason three for dipshit-ness: You most likely have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone who knows what an RNC is can probably get it on a 12 year old kid(with no fighting experience), unless they are younger than a 12 year old kid, or some weakling, or some fat dude.

Go graduate middleschool or something.

[numerator-91]

Krav Maga surpasses all others for sheer practicality and diversity. What other fighting style teaches you how to disarm a knifed opponent from the ground?

[RuthlessMan]

Krav Maga surpasses all others for sheer practicality and diversity. What other fighting style teaches you how to disarm a knifed opponent from the ground?

Krav Maga's system is all fucked up and complex in terms of rank, but it is pretty vicious.

I do believe nin jutsu teaches some techniques similiar to that.

[WeirdD]

You have yet to answer my original question: Do you even know what the fuck bujinikan is?

The answer is obviously no or you would've answered after I asked twice. This is reason one why you are dipshit: Hypocrite, calling one ignorant when you are ignorant.

Reason two for dipshit-ness: You interpret what I said that they are "sports" when in fact I said that they had sports; which in comparison bujinikan doesn't because it is unable to with the brutality of the art.

Reason three for dipshit-ness: You most likely have no clue what you are talking about. Anyone who knows what an RNC is can probably get it on a 12 year old kid(with no fighting experience), unless they are younger than a 12 year old kid, or some weakling, or some fat dude.

Go graduate middleschool or something.

Actually, to properly apply a RNC there are several things you have to do, i was implying most dojos now days (especially jiu jitsu, tae kwan do and karate) are mcdojos, and do not properly teach students.

And actually as soon as you mentionned it I googled it, and you spelled it wrong, so looks like you are ignorant, it's Bujinkan, no second i in there, buddy.

And yet again what I said apssed right over your head, which isn't a surprise. When I said all martial arts were invented to fuck people, I didn't mean to go out like thugs and beat on innocent people as you assumed, but to learn how to render an opponent unable to do damage, in the most efficient manner. Judo was once regarded as too brutal to be a sport, but then they toned down the rules for competition so that injury would be less frequent, as is the same with every other "competition" martial art out there, and the only reason it hasnt happened yet with other martial arts is because of the lack of popularity of them.

Ya, it is pretty brutal, but so is Krav Maga, so is Muay Thai, so is jiu-jitsu, they all are when you become a master of the sport. You've probably seen a few videos on youtube and thought that was badass, what you don't realize is that most of those videos ar emade by some of the best in the world at what they do, the masters.

If you had ever seen Helio Gracie or Jigoro Kano fight, you'd say the same thing.

Kano was about a total of 90 lbs and he would toss people around that were more then twice his weight.

You my friend, are ignorant.

To the two guys above, most martial arts teach ways to disarm opponents, from all sorts of positions.

[a2thae]

Actually, to properly apply a RNC there are several things you have to do, i was implying most dojos now days (especially jiu jitsu, tae kwan do and karate) are mcdojos, and do not properly teach students.

And actually as soon as you mentionned it I googled it, and you spelled it wrong, so looks like you are ignorant, it's Bujinkan, no second i in there, buddy.

And yet again what I said apssed right over your head, which isn't a surprise. When I said all martial arts were invented to fuck people, I didn't mean to go out like thugs and beat on innocent people as you assumed, but to learn how to render an opponent unable to do damage, in the most efficient manner. Judo was once regarded as too brutal to be a sport, but then they toned down the rules for competition so that injury would be less frequent, as is the same with every other "competition" martial art out there, and the only reason it hasnt happened yet with other martial arts is because of the lack of popularity of them.

Ya, it is pretty brutal, but so is Krav Maga, so is Muay Thai, so is jiu-jitsu, they all are when you become a master of the sport. You've probably seen a few videos on youtube and thought that was badass, what you don't realize is that most of those videos ar emade by some of the best in the world at what they do, the masters.

If you had ever seen Helio Gracie or Jigoro Kano fight, you'd say the same thing.

Kano was about a total of 90 lbs and he would toss people around that were more then twice his weight.

You my friend, are ignorant.

To the two guys above, most martial arts teach ways to disarm opponents, from all sorts of positions.

You assume I don't know what a rear naked choke is. It's not that difficult. Any dipshit can learn how to do it.

Mcdojos do suck, I agree with you there.

I assumed you were a dipshit from your post, and thus assumed you meant martial arts was invented for mal-purposes.

How the hell are you going to tune down bujinkan? Tell me this.

I'm not extre***y familiar with judo, but I am somewhat familiar with it. Explain why you insist on the extreme lethality compared to others in it, besides strangulations and chokes.

[WeirdD]

im only insisting on the lethality of it because ive been practicing for over half of my life, and have known others who have done the same, im sure that once you know what you're doing with karate its just as deadly, as far as I can tell bujinkan is a fairly new martial art, first of all, if they wanted to eliminate the brutality of it they could have padded weapons (I would say to remove weapons, but it seems to be a martial art which is centered around the use of them)

another thing would be to make certain of the moves which require deadly force illegal in competition (judo has done this, as well as jiu-jitsu, and I'm pretty sure some of the branches of karate did the same)

It's easy to tone anything down and make it less deadly, for the sake of good sport and competition.

In my opinion what makes judo so deadly is the fact that not many people are ready for the kind of techniques you will see with judo, the way they teach you to nutralize opponents is insane, people who arent accustomed to grappling and who want to fight me, i beat them in fights without throwing punches, and this isnt some bullshit im spouting out of my mouth cause i could care less what you think, its the truth.

in the last 2 fights ive been in, ive thrown one punch, and both fights lasted a combined minute and 15 seconds.

judo really isnt a joke when you know how to properly apply it.


the reason why I say jiu jitsu is one of the deadliest is because it's what judo evolved from, many of the techniques are the same, many of the dojos teach techniques that run both ways, etc. i think jiu-jitsu is more effective in a street setting, however.

shodokan karate and muay thai for me are the two deadliest striking arts for me for 2 different reasons.

Muay thai is simply brutal, ive looked up on it a bit, and a lot of the techniques I've seen aren't used to disarm opponents, they're used to kill them.

shodokan karate just offers such a versatile and different form of striking then the other striking arts, it gives you more range with which to obliterate your opponents and knock their heads off their shoulders. (for those of you who have seen Lyoto Machida fight, he has a base in karate)

im not gona lie, id probably add bujinkan or kung fu to my top 5 though, i completely forgot about kung fu, and bujinkan is somewhat similar in that they both have extensive weapons training.

[a2thae]

im only insisting on the lethality of it because ive been practicing for over half of my life, and have known others who have done the same, im sure that once you know what you're doing with karate its just as deadly, as far as I can tell bujinkan is a fairly new martial art, first of all, if they wanted to eliminate the brutality of it they could have padded weapons (I would say to remove weapons, but it seems to be a martial art which is centered around the use of them)

another thing would be to make certain of the moves which require deadly force illegal in competition (judo has done this, as well as jiu-jitsu, and I'm pretty sure some of the branches of karate did the same)

It's easy to tone anything down and make it less deadly, for the sake of good sport and competition.

In my opinion what makes judo so deadly is the fact that not many people are ready for the kind of techniques you will see with judo, the way they teach you to nutralize opponents is insane, people who arent accustomed to grappling and who want to fight me, i beat them in fights without throwing punches, and this isnt some bullshit im spouting out of my mouth cause i could care less what you think, its the truth.

in the last 2 fights ive been in, ive thrown one punch, and both fights lasted a combined minute and 15 seconds.

But that is against people unfamiliar with grappling as you said. Most street fights are composed of strikers.

judo really isnt a joke when you know how to properly apply it.

Who the fuck said it was a joke?


the reason why I say jiu jitsu is one of the deadliest is because it's what judo evolved from, many of the techniques are the same, many of the dojos teach techniques that run both ways, etc. i think jiu-jitsu is more effective in a street setting, however.

With jiu-jitsu I'm pretty sure you have to be on your back for many of the techniques...if you can't get them to engage you on your back, you're screwed, unless you can pull off a flying armbar (and if the person is strong enough they can slam you head first into concrete...)


shodokan karate just offers such a versatile and different form of striking then the other striking arts, it gives you more range with which to obliterate your opponents and knock their heads off their shoulders. (for those of you who have seen Lyoto Machida fight, he has a base in karate)

Lyoto Machida also combines it with a base in sumo, and thus he has excellent balance. He is adapting his style to suit MMA needs though which makes him a little more reckless as seen in his Thiago Silva fight.

im not gona lie, id probably add bujinkan or kung fu to my top 5 though, i completely forgot about kung fu, and bujinkan is somewhat similar in that they both have extensive weapons training.

Minus the parts of Bujinkan which use weapons (which are so specialized they can be considered separate arts) I still think that a majority of the techniques can (and often do) end up causing permanent damage to the victim.

[WeirdD]

If you apply the appropriate ammount of force, but the same can be said for a vast majority of judo techniques that have been banned over the years, I can name four off the top of my head that were banned while I was still in competetion:

Drog seio, (dropped one armed shoulder throw) in many cases the person being thrown would land on their head / neck causing neck damage, it was banned.

Ku-bi-a-toshi (neck wheel) in proper judo, every throw you do you're supposed to land on your opponent, well when this throw is done properly and swiftly, the person throwing often landed on the other persons neck, i dont need to explain why thats bad.

Scissor-legs, dangerous to the knees,

Hiza-garuma, again, was meant to take your oppoenents knees out.

And there was another one i cant remember what it was called but basically you did a summersault forward and as you came up, you vaulted up and wrapped your legs around the persons neck, and used your legs muscles to force pressure to bring them to the ground.

Five, sorry.

You didnt really disprove anything with your first quote, most fighters have a striking base, that can only help the grappler. I've fought strikers, as soon as a clinch gets initiated they have no idea what to do, ive described fighting non grapplers as the same as fighting children before, its ridiculous how easy it is to neutralize opponents with no grappling experience when you yourself know what to do.

As to your lyoto quote, ya he's a bit more reckless then most fighters, but no one can deny that his stance and technique allow him a MUUCH longer range then other fights, thiago silva is known for knocking people the fuck out, look what happened to him, look what happened to rich franklin, stephan bonnar, etc.

in my opinion, muay thai / karate and judo are still the most practical in a street setting., then bujinkan, then jiu jitsu.

[a2thae]

You didnt really disprove anything with your first quote, most fighters have a striking base, that can only help the grappler. I've fought strikers, as soon as a clinch gets initiated they have no idea what to do, ive described fighting non grapplers as the same as fighting children before, its ridiculous how easy it is to neutralize opponents with no grappling experience when you yourself know what to do.

A muay thai striker thrives in the clinch. A good boxer can also do well in the clinch, and you are agreeing with me, you dispatched them because they had no grappling experience, and probably no good striking experience either.

As to your lyoto quote, ya he's a bit more reckless then most fighters, but no one can deny that his stance and technique allow him a MUUCH longer range then other fights, thiago silva is known for knocking people the fuck out, look what happened to him, look what happened to rich franklin, stephan bonnar, etc.

in my opinion, muay thai / karate and judo are still the most practical in a street setting., then bujinkan, then jiu jitsu.

No, I meant if he were focusing on his karate base, he wouldn't be as reckless, he's not reckless in the Octagon; he is probably one of the most if not THE most patient fighter in the UFC. He frustrates his opponents because he likes to fight without taking a beating of his own. I believe he is also into Jeet Kune Do.

Why didn't anyone bring up Jeet Kune Do into this conversation?

[WeirdD]

Ya that shit is pretty deadly too lol
Regardless, I don't tihnk youre going to convince me and I dont think I'll convince you so lets just agree to disagree :)

[Mercury]

I've been training in karate for a few years now, and I've taken Tae Kwon Do in the past. but karate is the only one that has helped me in the real world, because they do MMA style stuff too. I would have to say Krav Maga is the best because it's pretty brutal, and mostly of what crazyassmetalhead said. Though I've never experienced it or anything.

[UpRightCitizen]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1936/cheeseyf5.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

[jre71295]

I took like two months of kung foo and hated it, im more into using the whole body like in greco-roman style

[Ninja]

ok its getting annoying. someone ban upright citizen for spamming

[The_Suggestion]

i trained Tea kwon do for 5 years, It was cool for tournaments and shit, but it really didnt help with self defense allot, and ive trained Choy lee fut kung-fu for 3 years so far and im loving it, its really fluid and helped me outta allot brawls. Its cuz it moves so fast from one punch to the next and then suddenly your foot connects with their head. haha bitches!

[remadon1]

the best fighting style is WRESTLING


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z233/JattKidd/Undertaker-vs-Sting.jpg

[methtownblue]

the best fighting style is WRESTLING


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z233/JattKidd/Undertaker-vs-Sting.jpg

Please tell me that you are kidding. And alongside that, post an answer with a real style of fighting and why its the best.

[skullcandy]

Wrestling is a horrible system of fighting. Oh geez, whatcha gonna do, give me a banna split? Good luck with trying, by the time you've done it i'll have cut all your tendons. Oh right Human weapons.... Um, yea, good luck with that, the guy next to me will have laid you out.

[Ninja]

Idk wrestling seems pretty BA. especially mexican style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfEckBCIo7U
those guys could easily beat up anyone on the street. duh

also, best fighting style ever: Bear-jutsu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia05NGd3-dU

[remadon1]

Yea it was a joke tho i do wrestle but its good cardio and its kinda a hobby.

im a swis army knife when it comes to fighting styles Ive taken a bit if everything

Wrestling -from birth Greco-Roman and Kayfabe

Brazilian-jujitsu- just during MMA training

Tae kwon do-4 years... black belt

Krav maga-1.5 years

Savate- 6 years


But of all of them i love Savate the most....... it and the wrestling
came in handy in my first MMA fight.

[skullcandy]

Savate? Really? Isn't that like french kick boxing? And also, weren't almost all of these styles featured on that show fight quest?

[Chiri]

Savate is french in origin, and it is generally devoted to using the legs more than the arms. So yes, it's like french kickboxing I suppose. It's a pretty effective actual fighting martial art too.

...and what is fight quest?

[methtownblue]

Fight Quest is a show on the Discovery that's supposed to show people the different fighting styles in the world. You can get most of the stuff they broadcast on youtube.

[remadon1]

Fight quest is a good show.... it dosnt come on much tho

Savate is sorta kick boxing though different punch techniques are incorporated

[Arpeggiate]

yeah, fight quest is a great show, but my personal preference in martial arts would have to be practical (real use) Aikido.

the aikido you find on youtube mostly is staged fights and everyone calls them pussy's for that because traditional aikido doesn't allow tournaments.

the difference is in practical aikido, instead of laying someone falt on their back then backing away, you position them to land in awkard positions, usually on their heads or completely in submission by you, with the throat/ groin easily accesible to the hand/feet

btw aikido is solely based of off not striking your opponent and using their energy agasint them (that is only traditional)

[methtownblue]

Ah yes, Aikido. It uses your opponents energy against him/her. It really annoys your enemy when you use his/her punch against him/her. I wouldn't practice it though, it fits elderly people better.

Krav Maga more of what I'm looking for. If Isrealis are able to fight off terrorists with this discipline, then it works for me.

[skull]

What about drunk boxing? not being drunk as shit and fist fighting, but using your body's momentum from wobbling around then forcing all that momentum into your torso, then arm to fist then into your opponents face. I've seen it work plenty of times.

[the jolly roger]

i personally favor muay thai for striking and BJJ for ground game. my brother does muay thai and greco-roman wrestling.