Culture Jamming

[ramalamafafafa]

Cultue Jamming is the process of jamming the ignorant capitalist culture we are a part of. It involves anything which disrupts the Consmer-Culture, from Telephone hacking, Bomb scares, whatever, Anyways, ive set this one up for us to discuss plans and ways to "jam" our Consumer-Communites.

[smokeweed420]

Cultue Jamming is the process of jamming the ignorant capitalist culture we are a part of. It involves anything which disrupts the Consmer-Culture, from Telephone hacking, Bomb scares, whatever, Anyways, ive set this one up for us to discuss plans and ways to "jam" our Consumer-Communites.

ur a communist bastard. or at least your avatar tells me so.

[ramalamafafafa]

yes, I am A Communist, And my parents are not married, so, your description of me as a "Communist Bastard" is apt. Ever thought of saying somthing to contrbute to the thread???

[alp]

Ramalamafafafa you seem to have a lot of potential but aren't you going about it the wrong way. Bomb scares and telephone hacking will do little more than get you in jail and put Communism in a bad light which is counterproductive.

[ramalamafafafa]

Meh, the revolution has to come about somehow. as a pacifist, Id rather use non-violent Disruption then start shootn' fuckers.

[ramalamafafafa]

I suppose a good way to describe it is "Pranks With A Purpose". Thats a descrption of what i want to discuss here.

[alp]

What country are you from?

[ramalamafafafa]

Australia.

[alp]

I'm from America.

[ramalamafafafa]

How About you, alp??????? you're name is the same as an australian politcical party!!

[ramalamafafafa]

oh, disregard that post

[ramalamafafafa]

culture jamming is also a kind of art.

[alp]

Well if you want to disrupt something why don't you go after businesses especially ones that import goods from low wage countries instead of producing them in your country. Or if you have a job get your fellow coworkers to unionize.

[ramalamafafafa]

Thats what i had in mind.............

[alp]

Well at least you've started a pro communism thread, thats a start.

[Buddha]

boobs
asdf

[ramalamafafafa]

To be honest, it dosent look as though anybody is interested in discussing this subject..................Meh..

[ramalamafafafa]

ahem.....boobs.....sooooooooooo, what ideas do we have?????????????????

[alp]

Give it time you just started this thread recently also do you know of any communist forums? So far your the first communist I've ran into.

[ramalamafafafa]

i dont, honestly........well, not on this site. In australia, i talk on the socialist alliance website. The people on that are pretty cool.

[Buddha]

Communist boobs?

[ramalamafafafa]

communist boobs, the theory of a titty revolution???? eglitarian boobs????........whatever, quit being a dick buddha.

[Buddha]

You are the dick, dick.

[ramalamafafafa]

quit dickin it up, dick

[Buddha]

poopy pants

[ramalamafafafa]

ouch.......now can we discuss culture jamming/Leftist disobedience???

[DoG MikkyW]

ouch.......now can we discuss culture jamming/Leftist disobedience???
communism is the perfect culture, on paper.
There is never going to be a long-term successful communist culture. Because, why would I work being a doctor, and some retard sit in special care, and we both get paid the same? Why would I go and work, say, mowing yards and and doing lawncare, when I can sit on my ass and get paid the same amount. That's why when Lenin was having trouble, he instituted the NEP, which gives smaller industries back to the people, and weakens the power of the workers union, a purely democratic idea. The ideal government would be a cross between the two, where indpendent earnings is king, yet government controls larger businesses that have severe impact on GDP. Because whenever democracy gets in trouble, it takes some communistic ideas to fix it; IE: great depression, formation of workers union. and for the above stated NEP...

[ramalamafafafa]

DoG MikkyW man, youve really got a good point.

In an ideal Communist/socialist system, money wouldnt exist. I dont know wether it would work out that way, but, thats the theory.

I think all the "Public Companies" (power, public transport, water, gas etc) should all remain that: Public. A lot of them have been sold off

[DoG MikkyW]

ooooh, like your idea of a communist style government. But, if there is no money, then how is it decided who can get say, a bugatti veyron (10 million) dollar car? I have an idea, a bit out there, almost like a points system. let's make up a number, say 21, there are 21 levels ok? Each level decides what you may have, be it a motorcycle, a yacht, or a cardboard box. The level is determined by a few things, your average family level is 25%. so let's say a plumber is a level 5, and your whole family are plumbers, your level would lean towards the lower side. Another determining factor could be your job. A say, dentist would probably be level 15-17... while a brain surgeon would be probably 18-19. Government officials would get a benefit on the level system, say, if at level 17, you are allowed... 1 car every 7 years. he could get 1 car every 5 years, or something along the line of that. or If he was allowed cars with level 17 or lower classifaction only, he could upgrade to level 18 classifaction cars. but only get one level 18 per 7 years, so only one benefit. Also, another determining factor could be workplace effectiveness, (because ambition to succeed is always a problem in a communistic type governemnt, this would fuel that ambition) all workplaces would have to find the average work output of their workers. if you are working 100% of your level workers. you stay at your level, if at only 50%, you're level would go down almost half. (not completely half, more like have of 50% of your level. I'll explain why soon.) but if your working 105%, you might go up a level or two. Level 21 would be reserved for high ranking business and industrialists, and also presidents, czar's, whatever... High ranking government officials. So, conclusively, to determine your level (if that's what you decide to call your classifications) 25% of your lvl (level) is dependent upon your families average lvl. 25% dependent upon your job, and 50% dependent on your work output. More or less dependencies may be added, just an Idea, if it seems poorly written, oh well, I thought of it as I wrote. I like it, could use some clarification. Anyone have any ideas?

[ramalamafafafa]

Well, that could work. However, it places Importaince on people of "higher Levels" and you'd soon probably wind up in the same mess as we are in now. I think that we need A lot more Public Companys, And WAY less Private enterprise. Big Buissiness is allowed to do its dirty things unrestricted because, as we all know, with Capitalist Governments, Money Talks And Bullshit Walks...............(spits).

[DoG MikkyW]

hmmm, there has to be some, maybe very little importance on different degrees of difficult jobs, because, like I said, it is hard to imagine a government where I will work twice as hard as you with the same amount of pay. How do you differentiate between a private and public company? Would family-owned and operated be illegal in your ideal type of government?

[ramalamafafafa]

There should be a difference in jobs based on degree of diffculty. I put this to you: Workers on a farm are doing essential work (ie: producing food). The owner of thet farm will do little more than "Supervise" therefore, i put it to you that workers can survive without capitalist superiors, but these superiors cannot survive without workers. Thats the kind of theory i operate on.

[DoG MikkyW]

but how is there a difference in pay?

[ramalamafafafa]

Well, i dunno. Yes there should be a difference in pay similar to what we have now, just no friggin companys. All government owned.

[DoG MikkyW]

agreed....

[Exploding_viper]

well im a democratic tyranny, and those arent to popular

[ramalamafafafa]

there ya go mikkeyw, we agree..................................shit, now what do we argue about.......................................

[numerator-91]

i'd honestly trust a large corporation to look after me more than the current labour government. Rudd is a fucking moron and has decided to piss away another $60 million on teaching Australians asian languages. teach the asians english first its ridiculous trying buy bread or smallgoods in the city. A large corporation would see that this is a retarted idea and invest more money in health and education, areas that are likely to see positive results

[ramalamafafafa]

I see no difference in "Labour" and "Big Buissiness" man. Labour is just a front for Big Buisiness. They're so much fucking worse for a small political organisation like the one im in, than a Liberal government can ever be. Rudd has a lot of buddies in Big Buisiness, but a lot in the unions too.............Rudd and some mates make a few phone calls, and, what do ya know, protests get cancelled.....Just Look at that national truckers protest......seemed unusualy weak didnt it.......

[numerator-91]

I've just realised something. We have discussed Australian politics over like 4 threads.

[DoG MikkyW]

damn, your guys' politics seem so complex, in the states, it's simple, you pray for assassination, then pray for Ron Paul.

[ramalamafafafa]

I've just realised something. We have discussed Australian politics over like 4 threads.

No Wonder everyone looks at us weird..................theres a heap of half-conversations between us abot austrailan politics all over the damn site.

[ramalamafafafa]

damn, your guys' politics seem so complex, in the states, it's simple, you pray for assassination, then pray for Ron Paul.

Yea, we've never had an austrailian politician assainated................one just dissapeared in the 60's.............The Prime Minister No less!............look up "Harold Holt". Seriously, he went for a swim and never came back.

[numerator-91]

it was
A. Japanese mini sub
B. Shark attack
C. Harold Holt was a bad swimmer
also did you know, Harold Holt was the first Prime Minister born in the 20th century

[ramalamafafafa]

Yea, im thinking option c................seing as how we wernt at war with the japanese at the time...........................also, no, i was not aware of that.

[clyde.morris0217]

Bomb scare, huh...
just put up some light bright boxes that look like ignignokt and err from aqua teen, lol

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/darcyaislyn/NEVAR.jpg

[numerator-91]

what is your avatar clyde.morris0217 its too small to make it out properly

[clyde.morris0217]

Oh, it's a skeleton of a squirrel...I don't know why it's soo small...maybe I'll upload the picture again or some shit...

[Warpurlgis]

yea i thought you avatar was some weird from lord of the rings

[Deetinator]

Here's my two cents:
All humans are corrupt, therefore no government system can truly work. If humans weren't corrupt, a socialistic totalitarian government would by far be the most efficient. But, because we are fallen creatures, governments need good fail-safes.
Example: In America, say that half the senate is corrupted. They can pass laws and whatever, but the president is there to veto. Not to mention the house of representatives. If both the senate and the house are corrupted, the president can still veto and it has to pass by a larger margin. A.k.a its harder to corrupt 2/3 of congress than just barely half without word getting out (even though I think its been done before).
Basically, every government can fail with enough corruption mixed into it. Its harder for that to happen with checks and balances like the US, but its still possible. The job of the people to ensure that corruption doesn't get out of hand, and if so, to do something about it. Hence, revolutionists.
Sorry that was kinda long but I don't have time to write a shorter one.

[ramalamafafafa]

Here's my two cents:
All humans are corrupt, therefore no government system can truly work. If humans weren't corrupt, a socialistic totalitarian government would by far be the most efficient. But, because we are fallen creatures, governments need good fail-safes.
Example: In America, say that half the senate is corrupted. They can pass laws and whatever, but the president is there to veto. Not to mention the house of representatives. If both the senate and the house are corrupted, the president can still veto and it has to pass by a larger margin. A.k.a its harder to corrupt 2/3 of congress than just barely half without word getting out (even though I think its been done before).
Basically, every government can fail with enough corruption mixed into it. Its harder for that to happen with checks and balances like the US, but its still possible. The job of the people to ensure that corruption doesn't get out of hand, and if so, to do something about it. Hence, revolutionists.
Sorry that was kinda long but I don't have time to write a shorter one.


Much as i hate to say it (as an avid communist), i agree with you. Communism works on paper, but humans are fucked!

[Warpurlgis]

very much so