Captivity.

[exial]

Teacher:
Among the people of your culture which want to destroy the world?

Student:
No-one specifically wants to destroy the world.

Teacher:
And yet you do destroy it, each of you contributes daily to the destruction of the world.

Student:
Yes that is so.

Teacher:
Why dont you stop?

Student:
Francly we dont know how.

Teacher:
Your captives to the civilizational system that compels you to go on destroying the world in order to live.

Student:
...yes, thats true.

(we see now that we are captives to our own society, we have no choice, we are constantly compelled to go on destroying the world in order to live effectively in present society.) -anyone care to debate this statement?

[Dr Cantaloupe]

No debate here. All of us are captive to this land and it's leaders. We constantly destroy the planet regardless of our personal feelings. You wanna clean the air...that's great but you really gonna ride a bike everywhere? You wanna stop cutting down trees...that's great but you gonna stop building houses? See what i'm getting at?

[exial]

yes. making the effort of changing the world is really not possible living in present day society. to change the world we have to change our whole mindset on how we should live, and how we should share the world with the animals and the enviorment. i think to save the world there is only one foolproof plan, destroy humanity. and that is never gonna happen so we might as well go on killing ourself, enslaving all the animals, drawing invisible lines on the earth, pollutting the air, and so-on...unless we right our mistakes. we may not notice it right now, but the earth has laws, and those laws are in effect right now, and unless we find a way to live in balance with those laws...we will soon see theyre deadly effect.

[A Deo et Rege]

What about the Amish; they live completely detached form modern society, and they also live off the land only taking what they need to survive. They produce very little pollution and waste nothing, so they are making their little section of the world a better place--from an environmental standpoint.

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[crazyassmetalhead]

but they can't affect change. only those living in our society can.
living kinda like the amnish but with the internet and a small use of electricity could work.

basically the main problem is there shouldn't be as many people as there are in the world living at one time. but i see the way our society is structured as contributing directly to its own decline or complete downfall. i also see some of that shit going down soon (and in some cases already).

[exial]

What about the Amish; they live completely detached form modern society, and they also live off the land only taking what they need to survive. They produce very little pollution and waste nothing, so they are making their little section of the world a better place--from an environmental standpoint.

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Those people have found a way to live in balance with the land. but to "civilised" societys they are considered primitive in there way of life, living at the mercy of the earth. You see this kind of exploitation of these people all the time in the media talking about "3rd world countrys, and there primitive way of life." i agree wit deo that these people are making a little section of the world a better place, but unless "civilised" people living in todays modern society change there mindset on how they should live and still thrive they will continue to believe that the earth was made for them only, that the earth and all life was solely made to benifit the human race. for us to change our living habits to suit the earth that means we have to give up control of our own lives. we have to live off the land thus living at the mercy of the gods. but also living in balance with the planet.

[Dr Cantaloupe]

Becoming amish may be a fun thought but in all honesty who's really gonna make that drastic of a change in lifestyle. Sure the Earth would be a much cleaner, wholesome place to live but i believe no one is gonna go for the amish plan.

[crazyassmetalhead]

i could do the amish thing if i could grow my own drugs and shit, brew my own alcohol, have some use of electricity and have the internet (possibly satelitte tv or cable). if we could transistion back to smaller agricultural communities it'd be good for everyone. only problem is that a shitload of people would have to die, but i think that is gonna happen soon anyway. after that hopefully society rebuilds smarter and more eco friendly, but it'd be more out of nessesity than by choice at that point.

[numerator-91]

we needs a big ass plague to help reduce world populations. from a utilitarianst view, someone releasing a very deadly virus and the bejing olympics would be doing the world a favour by reducing the number of people who need food, electricity, petroluem and various other commodities that are in short supply.
i'm not saying we need to wipe out the chinese, its that there will be alot of people coming and going to and from there and it would help spread it worldwide.

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

Of course we are destroyin the world because human beings are parasites. And i agree with the only way to save the world is if humanity was destroyed. But since that seems quite unrealistic at the time, i think that if we could just let go of "greed in the name of love and caring" we could possibly get by like any other creature on earth.

Now what i mean by that is that we need to stop seeing that people dying from natural causes like cancer or other diseases is sad and wrong. And tryin to find cures and shit. Because it all comes down to that those things exsit for population control. If everyone could just fully except death and just let go of the fears then we'd be better off. It works for animals they dont even have the concept of "OH EM GE I AM GONNA DIE ONE DAY"

It's said in the fountianhead "men have been taught that thier first concern is to relieve the suffering of others. But suffering is a disease. Should one come upon it, one tries to give relief and assistance. To make that the highest test of virtue is to make suffering the most important part of life. Then man must wish to see others suffer- in order that he may be virtuous. Such is the nature of altruism...."
And i believe that. it be better for the world and our own beings to just let others die.

[A Deo et Rege]

Of course we are destroyin the world because human beings are parasites. And i agree with the only way to save the world is if humanity was destroyed. But since that seems quite unrealistic at the time.......

Unrealistic.....at the time.....O.o If humanity was destroyed it would not matter if the earth was a better place because there would be nobody left to enjoy it.

Now what i mean by that is that we need to stop seeing that people dying from natural causes like cancer or other diseases is sad and wrong. And tryin to find cures and shit. Because it all comes down to that those things exsit for population control. If everyone could just fully except death and just let go of the fears then we'd be better off. It works for animals they dont even have the concept of "OH EM GE I AM GONNA DIE ONE DAY"

I agree that diseases are a form of population control, but we don't need to stop curing them. If we stopped trying to cure diseases at this point it would spell the end for mankind because diseases have become much stronger and more deadly in recent years. It is only natural for a species to try and sustain its existence by any means necessary; even animals search for plants to relieve there suffering when they get sick. Also, animals do indeed have a concept of what death is because when they feel their life is threatened they will do all they can to keep from dieing; their concept of death might not be on the level that ours is, but they know that it is something that they do not want to experience.

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[numerator-91]

people need to ease back ith medical advances cos all we are doing is making pathogens stronger and more resilient. if we all just stood back and let nature run its course, the strong would survive and the week would fall. and as i said before, less people to feed, clothe, supply electricity, too, less people to consume petroleum products, etc.

also deo, haven't seen you in the pyro forum in a while. with ghost checking in less and less these days it's running rampant with foolish noobs and me and like 3 other guys are trying to maintain order. it'd be nice for you to pop in evey now and then to help lecture and correct the multiple retards.

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

yea deo i was think just with what numerator-91 said, if we stop with the cures for this and that the strong will survive not much but there will be those who are immune. its evolution Darwism will go into efffect. and the reason for dieases be as strong as they are now a days is because they have evolved into the super germs they are today.

Plus with the strong surviving and the weak dyin we would only pass on the good traits after a while filtering out all the bad junk we have no days. not to sound like a hitler simpithizer but if we just let nature run its course we could end up with a super human race.

then again i could be wrong and we all just die either way oh well we are all fucked.

but you made a good point with if we are all dead then we cant really be around to give a shit whats goin on with the world haha

[crazyassmetalhead]

i blame christianity partially, with their bullshit that all life is sacred. theres part of why the world is so overcrowded and filled with ignorant shitheads, that go forth and multiply shit just doesn't work. nazism kinda works in that respect, end the lives of those unfit to live so that the rest can live better. of course i'm not a big fan of fascism or socialism... but some quality control on humanity could help a lot.

[numerator-91]

exactly, all in favour of a plague raise your hand and say "Aye"

[crazyassmetalhead]

i like using the neutron bomb better......less messy

[Viva la Guevara]

destoying each other through war and violence is inevitable

[numerator-91]

i like using the neutron bomb better......less messy

less messy???
you've got a great big smoking crater and millions of damaged items that could've been useful.

[Viva la Guevara]

but....a plauge would have dead people all over the place
the nuetron bomb would desinigrate its victims

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

AYE! for the plague

[crazyassmetalhead]

better than cleaning up bodies..... how are we gonna get to building our minimalist society if u gotta clean up a shitload of plague dead. and neutron bombs are supposed to just kill people and not damage buildings and such ( i think).

but even if it doesn't mass devastion would in the long run be better for the planet.

[numerator-91]

but a plague can go further around the world in one hit and is a lot less conspicuous than multiple nuclear attacks

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

yea and fuck cleaning up just dump them all to decompose out of the main ways so they can replenish the earth or something

[Viva la Guevara]

we can set fire to them and tie them to stakes and give light to the cities
they did that in ancient rome....or ancient somewere i lost it.....

[crazyassmetalhead]

ya but i don't want the plague...

that shit is harder to control.

[Viva la Guevara]

seriously that shit would spread like wild fire
but some people will become immune then its over
just like the bubanic plauge

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

haha recyclin the dead haha excellent cant let thier deaths be in vain.

[Viva la Guevara]

someday were gunna run out of space to but our dead..then, you know what?
zombies fuckin everywere

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

well i wanted to be cremated but now if we are gonna be zombies i cant decide damn

[numerator-91]

seriously that shit would spread like wild fire
but some people will become immune then its over
just like the bubanic plauge

thats the point, wipe out the week and the strong shall thrive

[Viva la Guevara]

yeah but thats like physical strong
there can be ALOT of smart people that is vital for the world to have and they may die.....

[numerator-91]

the smart will innoculate themselves

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

the smart will die but we'll have thier books and stuff. plus the plauge isnt just for physically strong but like geneticlly strong or is that the same?? hmmm*ponders*

but yea soo with the plauge you just got to ask yourself..Do you feel lucky..well do you?

[numerator-91]

pretty much.

wow this is like the most comments i have ever posted in one sitting. i think i deserve an award

[Viva la Guevara]

no it wont it will say "fuck you" eat your moms pussy and kill your dad and slowly kill you from the inside out without you noticing simultanously
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[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

*hands numerator-91 small cheap little plastic award* congrats

what plague will make me not notice i am eating my moms pussy?? helll keep that one away from me!!!

[crazyassmetalhead]

sounds like a cannibal corpse album cover

[Viva la Guevara]

*throws giant rock at numerator and takes the shitty trophy*
um id like to thank jesus and....lucifer and my cousin billybob oh and my moma
and i called the plauge the poon plauge pretty sweet

[numerator-91]

yay recognition! *sobs* i just want to thank mum and dad and Jesus and all the people who have helped me get this esteemed acknowledgement

[A Deo et Rege]

the smart will die but we'll have their books and stuff.

The finest words in the world are only vain sounds if you cannot understand them.

--think about it.

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[numerator-91]

dammint he dropped his post in just before mine

as deo said but in simpler terms.
what good is a book if you can't read it?

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

pretty funny how this thread has evolved into an award stealin acceptance speech....

[crazyassmetalhead]

it happens

[Viva la Guevara]

hey Dr sqaush's intro turned into a chat box lol

[numerator-91]

*comes back to awards ceremony with an automatic rifle screaming about gods will to destroy the wicked while blindly firing into the masses*

what can i say, wer're creative that way.

[crazyassmetalhead]

*sits up in balcony blissfully unaware, high as a kite, applauding with enjoyment*

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

*think its part of the show and loves it*

ENCORE ENCORE!!!

[numerator-91]

*turns the gun on crazyassmetalhead and ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret*

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

woah there cant we just talk this out?

[numerator-91]

*pulls trigger* damned motherfucker is jammed. ima go make a sandwich.
toodles

[exial]

see we dont have to worrys bout no plague, the truth is we will soon just kill ourself with our own chemicals. the earth will go through another ice age, and there wont be any survivors like in the day after tommoroow.

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

good choice

[Viva la Guevara]

bull shit
people during the first ice age had no homes like us, they lived in fuckin huts and hunted sabbertooth tigers with a spear.
what makes you think we cant survive another ice age?

[crazyassmetalhead]

cause we're all fat and lazy.... actually shit. that's why everyone's so fucking fat. it's evolution.... for the ice age. jesus christ monkey balls......

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

yea i get the feelin that we might just be able to survive an ice age with the shit we have to day that wasnt around in yesteryears

[Viva la Guevara]

their were prolly fat people back then.....
and they will just die off
leaving a better race of people. Survival of the fittest. But its total shit that every human is going to die off because of a plauge.

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

yea because plagues get spread more or less from contact..and what as it about that newly discoverd tribe in the rain forest or something? so see there will be people living in huts in remote regions where the plague cant touch them

[exial]

bull shit
people during the first ice age had no homes like us, they lived in fuckin huts and hunted sabbertooth tigers with a spear.
what makes you think we cant survive another ice age?

One way or another a few humans will survive the next ice age..
they will be left in the same situation they was last time, but now they will have the choice of learning a different way to live..a way to avoid the mistake they made last time, and if they dont..then history will repeat itself till we get it right. Thats just one of my theorys though. we will continue to repeat the process untill we learn from our previous mistakes, either that or we will just die out, and another dominate life form will conquer the planet after us, either "After ICE AGE" theory suits just fine.

[numerator-91]

the forum aint invitation only.

[crazyassmetalhead]

ya anyone can post here... i mean shit we had a fucking plastic awards show complete with a massacre here last night..... and yet got back to intelligent conversation

[numerator-91]

my bad on the award ceremony debacle.

[crazyassmetalhead]

ya what a dick you shot everyone... but then again guevara stole your shit so it was somewhat warranted

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

yea that award show rocked

[numerator-91]

i didn't nessicarily shoot everyone, i shot at everyone.
as for ending mankind plague or ice age?

[crazyassmetalhead]

we got heaters and warm coats.....wtf do you think?

the ice age would kill a lot of people due to food shortages more so than anything, and shit with genetic enhancement we could avoid even that..... and if we needed too we could probably make a vaccine for any plague that came along too

either would kill a shitload of people, but I'm seeing a cathostrophic global conflict as being the cause more so than the other too

that our technological advances can only make deadlier

[numerator-91]

but what about if the plague mutates or evolves into several strains that are each resistant to our vaccines and antibiotics. were fucked then ey.

[crazyassmetalhead]

i guess, but if it got that bad we'd start isolating infected populations and then killing them off...... dudes dressed up like your avatar with flamethrowers

[numerator-91]

that'd be fuckin crazy nuts

[Viva la Guevara]

i confused did numerator kill everyone ???
if numerators momma jumps we'll allll die
im sorry im just so bored and i dont want to read the conversation

[numerator-91]

no i have not killed everyone.....................yet.

[Viva la Guevara]

*shifts eyes*
*walks toward numerator with a harpoon*
um the human race will adapt to a plauge and we have, again, heavy coats and heaters
and well insulated homes

[numerator-91]

a plauge will do wonders for reducing the number of people who need food and resources. but as for the ice age, a heater and coat will do nothing for growing crops or raising livestock to eat.

[Viva la Guevara]

once again we can do it because when they did it thousands of years ago they survived and tey didnt have our technology
im just saying the hunman race will survive both a plauge and an ice age
maybe together it will kill the race...
but not seperatley

[numerator-91]

thats why we need to figure out which one will leave us with only the best human beings to repopulate the earth with.

[crazyassmetalhead]

i see a combination of things, massive famine induced by either climate change or perhaps an agricultural virus or something. nuclear war is still a likely senario, and maybe a plague. but more of a biological weapon kinda plague, not a natural occuring one.

if something happens to our corn here in the states we are so so so fucked. and the dumb ass enviromentalists wanna use it to power our cars (costs more to do so AND food prices will go up cause corn is either in the food or fed to the animals that are the food).

i'd go the biological warfare route to kill off large populations of people if i was trying to purge mankind

[Viva la Guevara]

a plauge the the bubanic plauge and a ice age will kill most of the population

[crazyassmetalhead]

the reason the bubonic plague was so deadly was because in the middle ages christians were dumb and they lived in overcrowded cities in their own filth... the conditions for such a plague to be effective again just don't exist... unless it was modified, weaponized and made airborne

[Viva la Guevara]

what if cancer became airborn....
enough people would die

[A Deo et Rege]

Cancer isn't a disease per se, but a mutation of the cells in the body. Everyone is born with some cancerous cells, but they are only dangerous when they begin to multiply.


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[Viva la Guevara]

ok, but it still kill a shitload of people if it became airborn

[A Deo et Rege]

Airborne cancer = Radon Gas


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<Deo>
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[Viva la Guevara]

violent diarrhea
thats right and you cant escape it
you'll litraly shit your brains out

[numerator-91]

load me up with an assault rifle and i'll start while youse get a plague ready.

[Viva la Guevara]

deal....
violent diarrhea
that makes you shit out your vital organs....
great
ok numerator you can still slay the ones shiiting themselves to death

[numerator-91]

put them out of there misery
although the misery starts when i shoot out kneecaps and such first then leave them to writhe for a little bit then BANG!!! bye bye face

[Viva la Guevara]

sweet....
now we need a bike with a side chariot on the wheels

[crazyassmetalhead]

we coulda used that meat grinder car thing that the one dude made up on the biggest longest thread. but i think i stole it and sold it for drug money....

[Viva la Guevara]

it was called a goregrinder if im not mistakin
and no because if you touched it you would of exploded and im locked out so its impossible to get in unless we make another.....

[crazyassmetalhead]

no remember i attacked it's driver while he was on his way to get in in the parking lot, then i took his keys.

[Viva la Guevara]

i tod he motherfucker i should of drove
damn scum

[ItsAPoorlyKeptSecret]

something bout airbourne cancer and a goregrinder?


(my bad, how is that?)

[Viva la Guevara]

what?
no i beleive it was a goregrinder get your shit right

[exial]

But if a natural calamity wiped the earth clean and the earth remained devoid of all life for thousands of years, and evolution ran its course and life once again thrived upon the world, then sooner or later a form of life would become dominant upon the earth, as we are now. I believe we are just the current dominant species inhabiting the earth. Such as the dinasaurs. And before them probally some other species, and before them another species, and before them another species, we are just the species that are currently dominating upon the earth. Soon the earth will undergo a massive ice-age or plague, and a species that has never existed before will come to dominate the earth as we are now. But hey thats just another theory.