Dreaming

[Shanx]

What are your views on dreaming. Ive recently looked into Lucid dreaming and found that it is quite possible. And along those lines lay places only accessible by dreaming like The Astral Plane or out of body experiences and being able to visit anywhere you want. Is it possible to astral project or is it just a dream within itself?

[Kasnia]

I've often wondered that about the astral projection. Some people say it takes years to finally master it, and that it's somewhat dangerous too.

[Shanx]

Yeah its sounds like it would be hard to do. A lot of people said they've done it before but they were most likely dreaming that then went somewhere because they probably didn't have any control over it. It would be an amazing experience though.

[exial]

I studyed alot about obes (out of body experiences) and lucid dreaming. And in a way it facinates me to know that we have the ability to explore our dreams. I mean the possibility of controlling ur dreams is...amazing realy. i mean, i think we have all had dreams of flying, but imagine that u could conciously control the flight, there would be no limits. the sky is the limit, and beyond. I also believe that dreams are messages. A message from our unconcious mind. And its up to us to interpret those messages. i tried a few times to enter wat they call the vibrational stage, where u feel energy pass over ur body, and after about 30 minutes of intense meditation it felt like my body let go..i cant really explain it, and i felt a sort of buzzing, like wave after wave consume me, i got kinda wierded out and willed it away, then i lost focus. Im not sure if i had came to a certain chekpoint, or if i was just imagining the whole thing.

[Shanx]

Yeah its totally possible, I have only had 2 successful Lucid dreams though. One was I became aware that I was dreaming and the "Shock" woke me up (It was my first one and it was before I knew what lucid dreaming was). And the second, Well..it was kind of weird, I was in an abyss and I knew I was dreaming but I couldn't get the hold of creating anything.

But whatever, Every time I go to sleep I try to lucid dream. One can only get better at it and you got nothing to loose. Sleep is a waste of time in my opinion =P. If we didn't have to sleep, we could accomplish so much more.

[exial]

lol..i see sleep as an escape from reality really. But if we could control our dreams..We could become dream walkers, and if we get good enough we could probally manipulate other peoples dreams. Lol. Maybe, who knows whats possible in the unknown region of dreams.

[Shanx]

Hmm..Yeah I get what your saying. It could probably be kinda like The Matrix but with control and we knew that we were inside a dream. The word your looking for is Onironaut - Somebody who explores the dream realm.

[SuperSkunk]

I had a lucid dream once on accident. The whole time I thought I was awake (I was really high and fell asleep). I was walking around my apartment and I was hungry so I decided to go to my refrigerator and make my self a sandwich. I ate 2 of them and I started to get very very mad because they weren't filling me. I did a bunch of other crap after that, that I don't remeber. The next thing I remeber doing was trying to find my weed eventually I found it in my drawer where I remeber checking it multiple times. Thats when I knew something was up. Then I started packing my bong and smoking it. I packed a shit load of bong packs and I noticed I wasn't getting high. I was getting extre***y pissed off then thats when I woke up.

I think that was a lucid dream, unless I mixed up lucid dreaming with vivid dreaming. I remember definitively making decisions in my dream and deciding what I do. I think thats a lucid dream correct me if I'm wrong.

Lucid dreaming is a weird phenomena I heard it is very hard to do on purpose. I don't think I'll probably ever have a lucid dream again because next time I'll pick up real quick if I'm dreaming or not and it will probably snap me out of it.

[Shanx]

I had a lucid dream once on accident. The whole time I thought I was awake (I was really high and fell asleep). I was walking around my apartment and I was hungry so I decided to go to my refrigerator and make my self a sandwich. I ate 2 of them and I started to get very very mad because they weren't filling me. I did a bunch of other crap after that, that I don't remeber. The next thing I remeber doing was trying to find my weed eventually I found it in my drawer where I remeber checking it multiple times. Thats when I knew something was up. Then I started packing my bong and smoking it. I packed a shit load of bong packs and I noticed I wasn't getting high. I was getting extre***y pissed off then thats when I woke up.

I think that was a lucid dream, unless I mixed up lucid dreaming with vivid dreaming. I remember definitively making decisions in my dream and deciding what I do. I think thats a lucid dream correct me if I'm wrong.

Lucid dreaming is a weird phenomena I heard it is very hard to do on purpose. I don't think I'll probably ever have a lucid dream again because next time I'll pick up real quick if I'm dreaming or not and it will probably snap me out of it. Hmm..Well not exactly what I would call a Lucid Dream. a Lucid Dream is when you know your dreaming and you have control over it. Its isn't that hard to get the hang of either, it just takes practice. After a while, the wildness of actually being aware that your dreaming will fade. Well, I don't mean fade as in not fun but you will get used to it and eventually stay calm and be able to keep the dream going.

Sounds like a pretty funny dream btw lol

[Buddha]

I know when I'm in a dream a lot, but I can't control it I don't think.

[A Deo et Rege]

I had a dream once that I still remember quite vividly. I all started with me walking down a long white hall that seemed to never end. When I finally got to the end of the hall there was a huge white room, and I was surprised to see myself standing across on the other side of the room looking back at me. He was dressed in a black robe, and I looked down and notice I was wearing a white robe. With every step he took the ground beneath his, or should I say my, feet turned black as coal. In a matter of moments he was directly in front of me. He then reached out and grabbed my arm, and when he did it felt like my flesh was on fire. He then opened his mouth and said something, but I could not understand him. It was as if I was deaf. He then proceeded to walk off. When he was almost out of sight I look down and noticed that in the hand of the arm he had grabbed I was now holding a gun. I raised the gun and shot him, and as soon as the shot was fired he turned and the bullet hit him in the head. I then felt an immense pain as he fell to the floor. His body then disintegrated and a hole opened up in the floor. The hole started to pull the room into it. I could no longer move, and I was soon sucked into the hole as well. When I arrived on the other side of the hole I could see nothing; it was as though I was floating in a void. However, I soon notice a small light in the distance. It started to grow brighter and brighter, and I noticed that I was now wearing the black robe, and that the light was actually the entrance to the room I was in before. When I entered the room I immediately shot my other self, and as soon as the bullet hit him he exploded with a blinding flash that burned my flesh to the bone. I noticed a dark figure coming out of the light. It was running towards me; it was a skeleton covered in bits of black flesh and white flame, and it was carrying a massive blade. It drew the blade and swung it at me, and that's when I woke up in a cold sweat......O.o


I was completely aware while having this dream; I felt real pain as if it was actually happening, and after I woke up I had a horrible headache that felt like my brain had been scrambled. Would this be considered a "lucid" dream.


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[crazyassmetalhead]

lucid dreaming is where you are aware you are in a dream and can control it, right? cause I've had dreams where I consiously realized i was in a dream and could control what was happening, but this kinda makes shit even harder to interpret cause I'll remember doing one thing in a dream and then something completely different and unrelated after. usually the dreams I can't control are the ones with meaning (like the ones I've mentioned on the other thread in the bs section where i see shit in a dream and it happens exactly that way in real life afterwards). idk i guess i'm not sure what would be considered a lucid dream either.

[Shanx]

I was completely aware while having this dream; I felt real pain as if it was actually happening, and after I woke up I had a horrible headache that felt like my brain had been scrambled. Would this be considered a "lucid" dream.


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A lucid dream is when your conscious in the dream and you KNOW your dreaming. So the answer is probably no if you couldn't control your action. As for the pain, I don't know what to tell you. I too have had dream like this. I was shot in the head with a revolver and i felt it as in slow motion. I woke up and had a terrible headache. Maybe its just that the dream was too realistic in a way because anything can make sense in a dream. But again, I don't really know.

Thats a pretty interesting dream too man. Sounds like it has a lot of meaning to it. Have any idea on what it could have represented?

[Shanx]

lucid dreaming is where you are aware you are in a dream and can control it, right? cause I've had dreams where I consiously realized i was in a dream and could control what was happening, but this kinda makes shit even harder to interpret cause I'll remember doing one thing in a dream and then something completely different and unrelated after. usually the dreams I can't control are the ones with meaning (like the ones I've mentioned on the other thread in the bs section where i see shit in a dream and it happens exactly that way in real life afterwards). idk i guess i'm not sure what would be considered a lucid dream either.

Since they are your dreams and only you've experienced them I'm not sure what to say. But this does happen commonly since dreams are unstable and skip around a lot. Its probably just that otherwise I don't know what it is. Try to only focus on one thing next time this starts happening and maybe you can hold on to the original thought.

[crazyassmetalhead]

i heard some stories of people dropping acid and going to sleep before or while it was kicking in and obviously having some very intresting dreams, visiting exotic places and such. sounds like at the very least it'd be a good dream enhancer. ( could go under drugs too i guess but i think it still fits here )

idk I'll try that once i do it awake 1st.

but ya having the dreams where you are somehow harmed in the dream and wake up with pain in that same part of the body seem to happen. it would make sense to dismiss it as saying the dream is just your mind trying to make sense of the pain while you sleep.... idk, sometimes it seems a little too real to just dismiss as that.

[Shanx]

i heard some stories of people dropping acid and going to sleep before or while it was kicking in and obviously having some very intresting dreams, visiting exotic places and such. sounds like at the very least it'd be a good dream enhancer. ( could go under drugs too i guess but i think it still fits here )

idk I'll try that once i do it awake 1st

but ya having the dreams where you are somehow harmed in the dream and wake up with pain in that same part of the body seem to happen. it would make sense to dismiss it as saying the dream is just your mind trying to make sense of the pain while you sleep.... idk, sometimes it seems a little too real to just dismiss as that.

Yeah probably any drug would help you dream lol. You could try taking some
Choline Bitartrate. It can help you prolong your dreams and have better memory of them. Well, better memory all around. Check out ReeceJones87 on youtube. He makes a lot of videos on lucid dreaming if your interested.

Yeah or maybe not trying to dismiss it but, your body may actually be "tricked" into thinking that your in real pain.

[a2thae]

I find lucid dreaming is easiest when practicing polyphasic sleep patterns. When I am lucidly dreaming I like to soar from high places, and I try to experience sky diving. I enjoy dream flight for some reason.

[Shanx]

I find lucid dreaming is easiest when practicing polyphasic sleep patterns. When I am lucidly dreaming I like to soar from high places, and I try to experience sky diving. I enjoy dream flight for some reason.

Ive heard that flight is the hardest thing to control

[exial]

superskunk reminded me of times i also, dreamed thinking i was awake. I would get up and get ready for the day, brushin my teeth eating breakfast etc. Then i would be woken up still lying in bed. Those are interesting, but nothing really to note. My goal is to successfully control my dreamwalking. There are many obe (out of body experiences) techniques that take time and willpower to master. but once u master these techniques and successfully dreamwalk you will get more used to the experience. Making more journeys while you sleep. Shanx since u seem to know something about the subject why dont u share some or you techniques dude. and i will maybe share mine.

[Shanx]

lol, yeah well..I know quite a bit but I cant fully control it. It would work maybe 3/10 times for me. I dont really have ne' techniques but its good to go to sleep not tired because then you wont be so focus on resting while you sleep and you can still keep you mind awake. Ive done that only once and it seems to work. Its just hard for me because Im always staying up really late and sleep at random times...

Wow, its gonna suck when school starts to get back in schedule..

[exial]

yea..
One of my techniques is very difficult to master but i will share it anyway.
I would lay down to sleep and first, i would start to count my breathing. 3 seconds intake breath, hold it 2 seconds, exhale 3 seconds hold lungs empty of air 2 seconds. repeat. i would count my breathing this way untill i have memorized the count and need no longer to count. then i would try to empty my mind which is HARD AS HELL, since there are countless random thoughts passing through ur head every second. But if you can master the art of clearing your mind of every thought u will be able to achieve more than relaxation..anyway the first time you try to clear your mind ur mind will wander, and u will end up thinking once again about different shit, so keep at it, and every time ur mind wanders dont get discouraged think "well im progressing". Its best to keep a certain attention to a object such as a black box in a white background, or a white box in a black background. once u have calm even breathing and your mind is clear and focused, start visualizing urself floating. Feel yourself become light and weightless. And if u want develop ur own technique after that, but if u are doing it right, u will soon go through something all lucid dreamers go through, its called the vibrational stage. this is where your very sensitive to the energy around you. It varies on different people, but i describe it as a buzzing wave that passes over me. wave after wave. The sensation scares most people since it is such a foreign sensation, but start to welcome the sensation, sort of accepting it, this is the stage where u astral project. Its not exactly lucid dreaming, its when u come out of your body such as when u do when u dream. except wen ur dreming u are naturally out of your body, "ur body is in bed yet u are in a dream". Except this is way better, ur body falls asleep yet u are still awake. so u enter the dream world consious. It takes practice but its possible. You dont have to believe in something for it to exist. But if this ability, i call dream walking exists, the possibiltys would be endless. You could learn things about urself and the world around you, that isnt possible in the physical realm. It just takes willpower, and practice that could easily be applied every time u lay down for sleep. Imagine, u live in the real world when ur awake, but when u dream, you adventure.

[crazyassmetalhead]

do you think having music playing while you sleep effect the dream process?

[Shanx]

do you think having music playing while you sleep effect the dream process?

Ohh yeah. I forgot about that. I sometimes listen to techno or something with a REALLY deep base. Its puts you into a trance like state but kind of helps you focus. Well, for me anyway. Heres a good song if you wanna try it. Or if you know any other ones just listen to those i guess.

Dj Inphinity - Just like a drug

[Shanx]

yea..
One of my techniques is very difficult to master but i will share it anyway.
I would lay down to sleep and first, i would start to count my breathing. 3 seconds intake breath, hold it 2 seconds, exhale 3 seconds hold lungs empty of air 2 seconds. repeat. i would count my breathing this way untill i have memorized the count and need no longer to count. then i would try to empty my mind which is HARD AS HELL, since there are countless random thoughts passing through ur head every second. But if you can master the art of clearing your mind of every thought u will be able to achieve more than relaxation..anyway the first time you try to clear your mind ur mind will wander, and u will end up thinking once again about different shit, so keep at it, and every time ur mind wanders dont get discouraged think "well im progressing". Its best to keep a certain attention to a object such as a black box in a white background, or a white box in a black background. once u have calm even breathing and your mind is clear and focused, start visualizing urself floating. Feel yourself become light and weightless. And if u want develop ur own technique after that, but if u are doing it right, u will soon go through something all lucid dreamers go through, its called the vibrational stage. this is where your very sensitive to the energy around you. It varies on different people, but i describe it as a buzzing wave that passes over me. wave after wave. The sensation scares most people since it is such a foreign sensation, but start to welcome the sensation, sort of accepting it, this is the stage where u astral project. Its not exactly lucid dreaming, its when u come out of your body such as when u do when u dream. except wen ur dreming u are naturally out of your body, "ur body is in bed yet u are in a dream". Except this is way better, ur body falls asleep yet u are still awake. so u enter the dream world consious. It takes practice but its possible. You dont have to believe in something for it to exist. But if this ability, i call dream walking exists, the possibiltys would be endless. You could learn things about urself and the world around you, that isnt possible in the physical realm. It just takes willpower, and practice that could easily be applied every time u lay down for sleep. Imagine, u live in the real world when ur awake, but when u dream, you adventure.
Who knows? Maybe the dream realm is the real world in a way. Or maybe, its where you go when you die. Like, a "Heaven" and when your asleep, your just getting a taste of the next life and when you die, you can enter it without the fear of being woken up. And while your in the place, referred to as the Deamscape or something like that, you can astral project and visit the physical world. Never mind, thats probably not even necessary because your already in a spirit form.

[SuperSkunk]

i heard some stories of people dropping acid and going to sleep before or while it was kicking in and obviously having some very intresting dreams, visiting exotic places and such. sounds like at the very least it'd be a good dream enhancer. ( could go under drugs too i guess but i think it still fits here )


Holy shit dude. I'm gunna try that. I'll take a few phenobarbital and benedryll and get myself all tired an shit then drop 4 hits of acid and pass out and see what happens. I gutta find some damn acid though.

[crazyassmetalhead]

hence my problem... joe rogan is super into this kinda thing too, except he tries to do it through shrooms, acid or dmt. basically he chills in a sensory deprivation tank and does that shit, I'd love to try that. Again, this is drugs, but they are being used to achieve astral projection and such.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m51X4z1xVWE

he's fucking awesome (as is the show he did this on)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjTXX2rHgA&feature=related

[a2thae]

do you think having music playing while you sleep effect the dream process?

yeah. I play music all the time while I sleep, and I remember hearing part of songs, and in my dream I'm always thinking "why the fuck is this song playing"...at which point I usually wake up

[exial]

Ive always believed that dreamz were messages from the unconscious mind..lately when i wake up the first thing i do is write down what i dreamed in a notebook. after 2 weeks of doing this i had a group of dreams that really needed explaining. Also i realized that the more i wrote down my dreams the more i rememberd them in the morning. Usaully u just wake up and forget in the last hour, but now i have a detailed account of all my dreams..and im learning alot from them.

[Viva la Guevara]

music never effected me while i sleep
but i wake up with a song stuck in my head