History

[A Deo et Rege]

Does History matter? This is a question that seems to appear often when talking about education, and most people think that history is unimportant. I on the other hand, think that history is of great importance because how can we move forward without knowing from whence we came. It is a fact that history has a way of repeating itself, and the majority of the time it is because we did not learn for our past mistakes and thus we are doomed to make the same mistake again. Without the knowledge of history how can you truly know who you are. Our history is what defines us as a species, and without it we would be nothing.

I would like to know where you stand on the issue--Does History matter to you?


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[numerator-91]

history does matter to an extent in the way of learning from our past mistakes however it does come to a point where it gets tedious and pointless. like the way you Americans blast your children with the names of every state capital and former president yet they probably cannot name a world leader from any other country past or present unless it directly effected American history some way. or locate Canada on a map.

[ledzeppeman]

I love history. You GET to see how the past unfolded and it leads to discoveries and ideas. These records are kept for good reason. If history is not viewed then how can we know why particular laws are instated or why things are the way they are.

However the past does not give an excuse to say something belongs to a person because of what their greatx8 grandfather had to go through shit.

I do believe that history is very important.

[A Deo et Rege]

However the past does not give an excuse to say something belongs to a person because of what their greatx8 grandfather had to go through shit.


I agree, some things are best left in the past. History should only be used for the betterment of humanity, and not for the selfish gains of an individual. Those who only use history to satisfy their greed do not truly comprehend its significance.


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[SuperSkunk]

I hate history. I love the history channel though hahah.

People learn better first hand. I think we should keep making the same mistakes and keep learning from that.

[Buddha]

I hate history. I love the history channel though hahah.

People learn better first hand. I think we should keep making the same mistakes and keep learning from that.

I'm not sure if you make sense.

[CHEETZzz]

I think history is important because, like Deo and numerator to an extent, i think that if you can't learn from mistakes in the past then people are doomed to repeat them..

Did people in Darfur know about Nazism in WWII? Probably not...

lol just a half serious example
you guys know what i'm saying.



Though i think Ledzeppeman brings up a great point about abusing history and how it should be left in the past.

For example, today black people claim they need remunerations for acts of slavery in the past, though it's total bull shit because they were personally completely unaffected and now people are blind to the racism that ensues from the blacks to the white population... white people are being treated like shit by blacks because the blacks think they deserve it... fuck that



sorry i was ranting a bit.
w00 history...

[SuperSkunk]

I'm not sure if you make sense.

Sorry dude I was really high.

Let me explain what I meant.

Put it this way.... umm....

Okay so like your a little kid you go to put your hand on the red hot element on the stove. Your mom says no thats hot don't do that. Your mom knows that from her own history. I mean yes you do gain the knowledge from what your mom said but I don't believe in learning things the easy way.

Okay your a little kid and you go to touch the hot element on the stove, but your moms not there to stop you or say anything. You touch it get your hand burnt and you learned your lesson from your actions and such it becomes your history and your knowledge.

Sorry best way I can explain what I meant.

[Shanx]

I think that under what history is generally taken for that yes, it does matter. If certain things hadn't happened in the past, there would be a totally new out come. But, time isn't the easiest thing to explain. If the theory that time is just reoccurring events is true, then history has no meaning at all. Neither does life or existence for that matter. And example of what I mean is think of your whole life on a film. You live your life and when you die, thats the end of the film and it starts over. Meaning, you've already done this before. But here comes in something that I find weird. If this is true, what is Deja Vu? Maybe deja vu is a "glitch" in the system or film and thats our way of escaping it and actually have the freedom to determine our own futures.

But, then again, this is just a theory and if everything is based off of destiny, then that would really suck. (I probably got a little off topic sry)

[A Deo et Rege]

I think that under what history is generally taken for that yes, it does matter. If certain things hadn't happened in the past, there would be a totally new out come. But, time isn't the easiest thing to explain. If the theory that time is just reoccurring events is true, then history has no meaning at all. Neither does life or existence for that matter. And example of what I mean is think of your whole life on a film. You live your life and when you die, thats the end of the film and it starts over. Meaning, you've already done this before. But here comes in something that I find weird. If this is true, what is Deja Vu? Maybe deja vu is a "glitch" in the system or film and thats our way of escaping it and actually have the freedom to determine our own futures.

But, then again, this is just a theory and if everything is based off of destiny, then that would really suck. (I probably got a little off topic sry)

I think that the theory that time is just a recurring event is based on the big crunch theory, and scientists have all but proved that the big crunch in not one of the possible ends to the universe; thus a "looped" universal time line is not possible. Also, time is like a river in that it only flows in one direction and no matter how hard you try you cannot change its direction. That being said, any event that happened in the past is eternally locked in the past and cannot be changed; in other words history is just that--history.

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[Shanx]

I think that the theory that time is just a recurring event is based on the big crunch theory, and scientists have all but proved that the big crunch in not one of the possible ends to the universe; thus a "looped" universal time line is not possible. Also, time is like a river in that it only flows in one direction and no matter how hard you try you cannot change its direction. That being said, any event that happened in the past is eternally locked in the past and cannot be changed; in other words history is just that--history.

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Yeah that makes sense, I just wanted to bring it up because I thought it was pretty interesting. I never really knew where that theory came from I just remember hearing about it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[straightedgepunk123]

History is important. As a few of you said before, it allows you to dissect the thinking of a certain era, and put it in the light of the modern thought process, to see the flaws and strong points of attitudes that people in the past had adopted. A few things SuperSkunk said that I disagree with are, first off, the deliberate withholding of knowledge to have future generations learn from their own mistakes, instead of their predeccesors. If you did not educate people about the injustices that took place in the past (manifest destiny ring a bell?) what would stop them from perpetrating the same injustices in the present? The analogy of the child and the stove element is fundamentally flawed in that, the child only harms himself, and not others, and that the damage is presumably minor, as opposed to a genocide. Another problem is that if we start to deliberately withhold knowledge in one area, what's to stop us from withholding information in others? Believe me, I hate to use the "slippery slope" technique, but this situation seems appropriate. I mean, did Edison withhold the invention of direct current, because other generations should have to figure it out? No, because that attitude would bring human progress to a halt. As for Deo's point (I'm not quite sure what you meant in that post, so correct me if I got your point wrong) that time is probably not re-occurring, the statement that is not meant to be taken literally. The original saying is "He who does not understand history is doomed to repeat it." So it refers to the human tendency to, through ignorance, make many of the same mistakes that their ancestors made, and does not suggest that time is cyclical. If this sounded like an attack, I apologize, but I meant it as more of a critique.

[A Deo et Rege]

As for Deo's point (I'm not quite sure what you meant in that post, so correct me if I got your point wrong) that time is probably not re-occurring, the statement that is not meant to be taken literally. The original saying is "He who does not understand history is doomed to repeat it." So it refers to the human tendency to, through ignorance, make many of the same mistakes that their ancestors made, and does not suggest that time is cyclical. If this sounded like an attack, I apologize, but I meant it as more of a critique.

You have misconstrued the point of my post. In that particular post I was explaining to Shanx that the universal ti***ine is not looped as his post had suggested. In his post he was saying that you would be born then die and then it would all start over again, and you would relive your life exactly as you did before, thus you would be stuck in a looped ti***ine. This is not possible because if our ti***ine was looped all future events past the point at which the loop begins would cease to exists, and thus in due time so would we. That is what my post was about; hope that helps explain it a little better.

You however are completely correct in your statement that history has a tendency of repeating itself, and the reason is that people don't learn from the mistakes of their predecessors and in due course soon repeat them.

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[straightedgepunk123]

Yeah sorry I fucked your point. I was tired because I cross country for 6 miles, so I was kinda out of it. Also I disagree with the previous posts about reparations. I think they are justified because while the caucasian community was busy building up revenue and buying property, the African American community was making no fiscal progress whatsoever. After the freeing of the slaves, African Americans were still considered to be less that human, so they still did not make much fiscal progress. Only after the 1960's civil rights movement were African Americans able to truly begin to expand and succeed at an unbiased rate, so caucasians basically got a 400 year head start on African Americans in building up their estates to pass on to their children. Therefor to close this gap, reparations would be a good start.

[Buddha]

Who's the noob necrothreading the polls again?

[KusKus]

i dont think it is importaint
but we sould still learn it
as long as it give jops to our poor economy

[ozzman]

history has already happened who gives a shit anymore

[Palmer]

history has already happened who gives a shit anymore

Could make good stories..?
Lots of old ideas lead to new development.

[ravenscar]

like guns for instance, the original gattlin gun was heavy and hand-cranked, but we improved in it like 80 years after it was obsolete and mounted it onto nearly everything